It's tempting to go get your fixin's for french toast- but right now, city crews need to keep the roads clear, and they can't do that with your fool ass clogging the roads. Remember last year, where traffic slowed crews down, and then snow piled up, which caused collisions and people getting stuck, which caused more snow to accumulate, and it took some people 5 hours to get from Cambridge to JP? Let's show the rest of the country that we're not a bunch of morons- that having known for more than a day exactly what was going to happen, we learned from last year's mistakes.
Why else, aside from city pride? People injured in collisions means city emergency services tied up and unable to respond to the normal workload. Stuck cars cause traffic nightmares and tie up Boston Police. If the plows are stuck in traffic, the roads don't get plowed, Fire trucks, ambulances, and police cars responding to emergencies and crime get stuck in the traffic too.
As I type this, snow is flying all over the place, and I'm watching a steady stream of traffic past my window (including two bikers who are causing a major backup because they're riding in the only clear part of the road, blocking traffic.) And, of course, the people driving about 10mph with a line of cars behind them... PEOPLE, STAY HOME (or more accurately, stay off the roads.) Get to know your neighbors and help each other shovel out. Go walk to a park and make snowmen or to the cafe for some hot chocolate. Save the driving for tomorrow, after the snow has stopped and crews have caught up.
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Whatever you say nana
By Anonymous
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 4:02pm
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Would you tell that to my
By anon
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 4:13pm
Would you tell that to my employer who has insisted that we stay until 5?
why is it always the bikers who "block traffic"?
By gribley
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 4:20pm
My friend and I just biked home through the South End, down the SW Corridor (which has already been plowed at least once), and down Centre St in JP. When we needed to, we rode in the center of the street, where the road was clear, "blocking", as you say, "traffic". Yeah, cause everyone else should be speeding around on the slippery streets. The biker's 10 mph is about the right speed for the snow, and it's perhaps 1 mph slower than the cars are going, so don't blame us for traffic problems. Anyway, we bikers need to get home, to their hot chocolate, too -- not all of us were able to stay home and act smug today!
About the right speed for the snow?
By Jay Levitt
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 5:32pm
10mph? What do you drive, a Mustang?
I've driven in some pretty nasty Vermont snowstorms, and the traffic on those twisty, unplowed two-lane roads is usually faster than that - after dark.
Mid-day, on straight, wide city roads? With snow tires and AWD, the streets really aren't slippery at all during the storm. (The day after, when the packed snow becomes ice, THAT's slippery.) If visibility's OK, and there are no other cars out, 30 mph isn't even injudicious.
I hope you had headlights and taillights if you were riding in the storm.
Dare to be stupid
By Kaz
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 5:41pm
There was a flash snow storm up here around March 2004 when I needed to get down to Providence in an hour to catch a flight on Southwest Airlines. '01 Celica, tires were nothing special, and the unplowed lefthand lane of 95 South: 90 mph.
Not that I was feeling particularly smart, safe, or sane for doing it, but 10 mph as the snow starts to fall? Heh. Sure thing, buddy.
Whee!
By Jay Levitt
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:16pm
Snow in a Celica? That sounds fun.
Not snow-related, but one time, we had to rush from New York to D.C. in a friend's Mercury Tracer. The speedometer topped out at 85mph, and below that was the automatic transmission indicator: P, R, N, D1, D2.
We were going "R".
Straight, wide city roads?
By gribley
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:00pm
Straight, wide city roads? What is this, Tucson? In the narrow, roads of JP, with a lane already lost due to plowing, at dusk, with snow blowing fiercely and everyone in town out walking and crossing the street at random, 30mph is homicide.
Anyway, my 10mph figure was supposed to be making a point, not a precise value.
10 mph vs. 30 mph
By Jay Levitt
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:12pm
Your point was that "cars can't go much faster than bikes in the snow anyway". It's wrong.
Well, my point was that cars
By gribley
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 6:36pm
Well, my point was that cars shouldn't go much faster under the conditions I was riding in this afternoon, not that it's not possible.
Enjoy the snow!
Me too, but
By Jay Levitt
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 7:20pm
I got lost in arguing the specifics. Besides, I'm really just grumpy that MY top speed is zero. See, this is the first year I have an apartment, not a house with a garage, and that means I can't put my snow tires on myself. (The car barely even fits in the elevator.)
And that means I have to make an appointment with Direct Tire to take the snow tires out of storage. And they're kinda booked, on account of there was this really big snowstorm the week before Christmas.
Summer tires are really, really, really useless in the snow. Worse than teflon. Traction: none. Maximum safe speed: none.
YOU enjoy the snow, with your fancy "bicycle", and its "tires", and your big-city "brakes"... Me, I think I'm breaking out the boots and Trax!
I tend to side with Brett & gribley on this one, Jay Levitt.
By independentminded
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 7:58pm
First of all, it's agreed...driving more than 5-10 miles per hour when it's snowing like this or if and when there's a lot of snow and ice on the roads really is potential suicide. Also, most accidents occur as a result of driving too fast for existing conditions, in
any type of weather.
Can versus should
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 8:04pm
Generating forward speed is not the problem in snowy conditions. Controlling speed and ability to maneuver are the problems. This applies to cars and bicycles alike.
In either case, speed should be limited by one's ability to control the vehicle. Four wheel drive is not four wheel stop, and all the traction gizmology in the world will only get you moving that much faster before you lose control if you don't respect the laws of physics.
There lies the rub, SwirlyGrrl.
By independentminded
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 10:19pm
This:
cuts right to the quick, SwirlyGrrl. Overconfidence is often a big problem with drivers who get to thinking they're invincible, go way beyond what they're able to handle in the way of speed, and.....presto.....an accident results.
Agreed.
By Jay Levitt
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 7:23pm
FWIW, I use high-performance snow tires and all-wheel-drive (which differs from traditional 4WD). I get a four-wheel balance twice a year, on the most accurate balancing machine available (I researched the machine first, and then found a shop that had one). It's hard to believe just how much of a difference that all makes, but as someone who grew up driving a 2.5-ton rear-wheel-drive Buick: It's nothing like "normal" snow driving. You can feel the road.
Still, as you say: Your "forward speed" limit is really set by your safe stopping distance. The first thing I do in any snow driving is find a poorly-plowed street with nobody around, and get a feel for how the car handles that day - quick stops, cornering, swerving. Every snow is different, and as the GP says, overconfidence is your worst enemy. Usually, I find the snow doesn't much affect my stopping distance. It's more about visibility than traction.
(In fact, I'd much rather drive on fresh snow than through slush puddles; tread patterns that cut through snow tend to hydroplane on water, and vice versa.)
And visibility is the *real* ceiling on city speeds. Those giant plow mounds make it hard to see pedestrians. So again, it's about the haptic feedback; the "thunk" of a jaywalker is distinctly different than the gentle "thwapping" of a pedicab. How high was the bump, and did all four wheels hit it? Does your suspension absorb too much of the impact? etc.
Straight, wide city roads
By Ron Newman
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 9:52pm
Boston has a few: Comm. Ave (until Packard's Corner), Beacon Street, Blue Hill Ave, Hyde Park Ave, parts of Morrissey Blvd., Washington Street (from Forest Hills south).
It's all relative
By Jay Levitt
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 7:19pm
Compared to the little towns on the way to Sunday River, Stratton, Mount Snow, what have you... even the Riverway is a superhighway. Driving "within your headlights" up there would mean driving backwards. It's like 200 miles of Lombard Street.
Jay, 30 mph not injudicious? Would you say that in Court?
By bostonian
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 8:16am
If you hit someone and got sued...would you be willing to utter those same words on the stand? I doubt it. In those conditions, 30 mph would be speeding, even if you were in a 40 mph zone. And another thing, in case you didn't know this (which, from what you've written here shows me that you probably don't)...a 4WD does not stop any quicker than a 2WD?
I sure would
By Jay Levitt
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 7:35pm
In fact, it's kind of true by definition, isn't it? If I judged the conditions to be safe, then I should truthfully say I was driving judiciously. My judgement would be *wrong*, since I hit someone. But that's not injudicious.
Still, I'd love to hear your courtroom expertise: Let's say I hit someone, you're their lawyer, and I testify (wrongly, but honestly) on cross that I believe I was driving safely. How does that help your negligence case more than if I say I was driving unsafely, or that I don't know?
Now, on to your mechanical lesson: I'm aware that a 4WD doesn't stop any quicker than a 2WD. I'm also aware that 4WD and AWD have different connotations. Are you? Do you agree that 4WD would be better for traction-free conditions, such as ice driving, and do you know why? Would you say that in an AWD vehicle, you're in much more control during acceleration and turns, so you don't *have* to throw on the brakes? That you can stay in a lower gear, when in a 2WD vehicle you'd have to upshift to avoid spinning your wheels? That, when you combine a front/rear differential with electronic brake-based traction control, you end up automatically shifting your torque to the wheel with the most traction? That with both front and rear wheels under power, driving over patchy surfaces, you have a much, much greater chance of one wheel having some traction? Do you prefer a mechanical front/rear differential, or electronic? Do you think they should be neutral, or biased to the front or rear, and why?
You agree that having your wheels balanced under load will improve traction and steering control during acceleration, cornering, AND braking, yes? When did you last get a four-wheel balance under load? How does suspension design affect torque steer? How does unsprung weight affect stopping distance, and how much did it matter to you when you bought your wheels? (You did buy your own wheels, right?)
You're aware that there are now a zillion different types of tires, with varying rubber compounds, coatings, tread patterns, construction, etc., and you can find almost any trade-off you want between price, noise, vibration, top speed, cornering, rolling resistance, in dry conditions, wet, hydroplane, snow, ice. Right? And that they make a HELL of a difference in stopping distance? What type of snow tires do you use, and how many have you tried? What were their strengths and weaknesses on the skidpad? How comparable was the test vehicle to yours, and what surprised you when you actually drove them? C'mon, educate me.
Christ. And I'm a *software* guy.
Jay
P.S. How much of all this is nice on paper - and how much actually matters when you're on the road? I've already said that I check my own abilities on every road trip, and recalibrate my sense of what I can and can't do. You do that too, right?
Could you do it when you post here?
Regardless of what anyone says,
By independentminded
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 7:40pm
If you're driving at 30 m.p.h. on a snowy road or street, and you end up hitting somebody trying to cross the street because you couldn't stop in time, it means one thing: You were clearly driving too fast for the existing conditions.
And, while we're on the subject of speed, may I add that the posted speed limit(s) are the fastest that one can drive under ideal conditions (meaning a nice, dry, sunny day, when the roads are dry, with no snow, ice, leaves, oil, or water on them. Also, driving at night isn't an ideal condition, either.
When I was going for my Learner's Permit for driving, I had to study a small booklet of questions, go to the Registry of Motor Vehicles, and take a written test. One of the questions asked was as follows: How do most motor vehicular accidents occur?
Answer: Operating at too great a speed for existing s
conditions.
Well, yeah
By Jay Levitt
Tue, 12/23/2008 - 7:28am
Nobody's arguing with any of that.
I knew some #$@!tard biker would turn this into bikes vs cars...
By Brett
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 8:25pm
This isn't about bicyclist rights, and if you hung around here more, you'd know which side I'm on.
Anyway, we bikers need to get home, to their hot chocolate, too -- not all of us were able to stay home and act smug today!
Yeah? Pick an appropriate means of transportation for conditions which were forecast more than a day in advance. It's not like you woke up that morning thinking it was going to be sunny and 40 degrees all day. No. The forecast was for 2-3 inches PER HOUR and wind gusts past 40mph.
They forecast a blizzard and you think it's fit and proper to plant your ass in the middle of the road backing up traffic because "I'm a vehicle just like a car"...what a classic Masshole.
Oh my, you're not going to
By ZedThou
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 8:51pm
Oh my, you're not going to like what I did today at all. I pulled the mountain bike out of the basement and rode it for my commute from Roslindale to Cambridge. I did this because of the forecast. After sitting in gridlock last year for four hours, I decided the bicycle was the only sane choice! Don't think I particularly held up any traffic, as riding in the snow on the knobbies was kind of the point anyway. But if I did hold anyone up, I'm not about to apologize. On a normal day the car takes 30 minutes, I did it in 45 tonight on the bike
Good call
By Gareth
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 10:58am
I put in many winters of commuting on a bicycle. It's really not that hard; you just have to remember never to lean. And the consequences of snow biking failure are lighter than the consequences of snow driving failure; falling over in the snow is less painful than crashing a car. And traffic jams? Not for you. So I say good call.
Falling while biking in the winter
By Ron Newman
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 7:44pm
Falling over into a snowbank may be painless, but skidding and falling on black ice is anything but. A few years ago, i cracked several ribs that way. Since then, I've done a lot less winter biking.
The Right Tires Help
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 10:10pm
A few years ago, I put a cyclocross tire on the back of my bike. That thing would cut slush like nobody's business.
Hakkapullita (spelling?) makes studded tires for bikes - I've seen a cyclist navigate an ice field with them before. Impressive.
Hakkapellita
By Jay Levitt
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 5:18pm
They're from Nokian (which, IIRC, was once related to/part of Nokia, but now has no corporate connection). Hakkas are great; I had a set of them on my car one year. You wouldn't believe how much faster I could stop in snow.. ;)
Bicycles in snow
By Ron Newman
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 9:55pm
I didn't bike today, but I saw a number of cyclists in and around Inman Square tonight. And at least one crossing the Longfellow Bridge (while I stayed warm on the Red Line).
Brett is the classic Masshole here
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 10:19pm
A classic masshole thinks that he or she owns the road just because having a car gives you extra super special rights to any and all available pavement!
Let's get one thing straight: your MODE of transport DOES NOT MATTER. Moreover, your mode of transport IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE. You are not a "bike" nor are you a car. You ride a bike, you drive a car. PEOPLE have rights to the road not things. Ergo, PEOPLE who are riding bikes have the same right to that road as PEOPLE who are riding in cars. After all, people pay taxes that pay for those things.
Not knowing the difference is also a classic masshole idiocy.
Two things
By Will LaTulippe
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 4:44pm
1) Cyclists have the right of way on city streets. Suck it up, buttercup. No, I don't generally cycle city streets. Yes, I think most that do don't play by the rules.
2) Tough shit, Brett...I need to drive to work this evening.
I remember driving home in a snowstorm back in 1996.
By independentminded
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 5:47pm
It hadn't started out snowing that morning, but the drive back home was kind of a nightmare, driving on unplowed streets and all, especially during rush-hour, when everybody was driving home from work. Though the traffic was slow, however, it wasn't as bad as last year's traffic gridlock. However, it was awful enough so that I thought I'd be sitting in traffic until 8 o'clock that evening. My car held up fine, at least in part because I did drive at around 10 mph or less, and I made it home...with myself and my car in one piece. Whew!
Winter cliché alert
By fenwayguy
Fri, 12/19/2008 - 11:17pm
Globe: Hardy soul insists on riding bike in Copley Square
Anyone we know?