Plenty of time to take a photo of the gridlock.
Butch reports it took him 45 minutes to go the roughly two miles from Jamaicaway to Forest Hills this afternoon.
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Is there still reduced
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 5:33pm
Is there still reduced capacity due to construction, or is this how it's going to be?
Is this sea of cars supposed to be more pleasant for the neighborhood than the looming 1950s overpass with its evil shadows?
http://www.universalhub.com/images/2015/arbor-curv...
http://west-roxbury.wickedlocal.com/storyimage/WL/...
Thank goodness construction is wrapping up
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 5:35pm
And traffic through Forest Hills is just as advertised. I mean, it’s as the supporters of a new overpass advertised, but at least someone was right.
Funny, It's just as I
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:00pm
Funny, It's just as I remember it when we had a bridge. Some things just never change.
No, the delays are way worse
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:48pm
No, the delays are way worse now. And pedestrians and neighbors from much further away from the main intersections have to deal with the traffic jam.
Funnier still
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 10:00pm
When there was a bridge, the through traffic in the photo shown had no lights or other cross traffic from the Arboretum to Forest Hills Cemetery. In short, it was nonstop. Something tells me your memories are a bit hazy.
Yep. This gridlock is a
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:09pm
Yep. This gridlock is a disaster and is adding a lot of additional street level pollution for pedestrians and cyclists to inhale. Bummer about the overpass not being replaced.
No, the bummer is...
By BlackKat
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:39pm
...that people that don't live in Boston drive through there.
As for the traffic going the other way [to Roslindale, Hyde Park, or West Roxbury], it could be halved if the Orange line was extended or commuter rail zones were adjusted.
1) How do you know where they
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:45pm
1) How do you know where they live?
2) Why does it matter if people who live in one municipality sometimes take their car into another municipality? One might say a benefit, nay, the entire point of cars is to transport yourself to places where you don't live. And would the effects of this traffic be any less horrible if 100% of the drivers were from Boston?
Almost there
By Roman
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 8:08pm
The bummer is the medieval attitude that says everything over the wall can go fuck itself. Believe me you don't want to live in the city that'd be left if everyone who works in Boston but doesn't live there took their toys and went home.
You know there are, like,
By eherot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 10:22pm
You know there are, like, other ways to get in and out of the city besides driving, right?
No, there aren't
By Roman
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 11:54pm
Not unless you live near a train station with parking or within walking distance of one without. And work near where the train goes. And half the time it'd be more expensive, take longer, and be less reliable. The 19th and 20th centuries never quite came to Boston.
Imagine if you will
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 1:24pm
An inexpensive device capable of transporting one several miles in any direction, with great ease of parking due to small size.
[img]http://cdn.hiconsumption.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
I used to commute from Medford to the Medical area on one of these - it took far less time and was far more dependable than taking a bus to two trains or driving.
Note that not everyone can or needs to use this magical device ... but if enough people are so enabled to utilize them we all win bigtime on pollution, health care costs, congestion, and parking issues.
An inexpensive device capable
By Rob
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 6:48pm
*
* the reliability and safety of which go out the window with certain weather we're shockingly prone to at this latitude. Fortunately, my boss has no trouble with my 20% absentee rate or my hours changing with the weather.
Because
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 9:56am
... we all know how reliable and safe cars are in bad weather, amirite?
And anyone who owns a bike is automatically prohibited from commuting by MBTA or car on the rare occasion that biking is icky or hazardous or difficult (and the state isn't closed anyway) or that 80 mile weekend ride in June made them too sore for a day.
Please take away 80% of the cars in that picture
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 9:57am
Or, heck, even 30%.
Better?
You can drive or take the T and bike most days
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 12:30pm
Now, take that picture and remove 80% of the private automobiles. What do you see?
A solution.
I bike to work year round
By eherot
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 11:16am
I bike to work year round from JP to downtown. There are like 4 days out of the typical year where biking is really impossible, and those are generally the days that city tells people not to drive either. The rest of the year, with the proper clothing (which is much cheaper than a set of tires for a car), biking is completely reliable.
murder sickles
By Steve McQueen
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 4:02pm
A motorcycle works pretty well, but you need some aptitude to operate one, more than many car drivers,are capable of, which is fine with me, as natural selection may pitch in to help.
Nonsense
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 9:49am
Bikes are far safer than driving for your health.
Why the hell do you think Blue Cross Blue Shield is sponsoring them and including bike purchases as a benefit?
Do us all a favor - look at facts and statistics before posting. Easy enough to head to google scholar for the public health info that BC/BS used.
Not everyone can bike
By Bikesblow
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 5:12pm
No thanks, I turned 16 many years ago and now opt for an adult form of transportation.
What a fucking joke, and one of the things that pisses me off about living in JP: This holier than thou attitude about bikes. Not everyone can bike to their work, and cars are way, way more reliable in the winter, heavy rain, wind, and extreme heat. Many workplaces don't have ways to clean your sweaty ass up after a 20 mile bike ride. Many people have young children and may need to drop them off on the way to work and don't want to put them in some jackass hippy bike trailer.
Also, biking is for tools.
When the construction is actually finished, I bet the traffic will be similar to what it was. Also, about a zillion more people have moved into JP over the last few years, including the introduction of that massive apartment complex on Washington, so you can't compare.
Yes, it is. I carry a full
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:11pm
Yes, it is. I carry a full load of tools on the back of my bike.
Insulting other people's choices gets us nowhere.
If 1/3 of cars weren't there
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:27am
Wouldn't your load hauling life be better?
You are insisting on perpetuating your own misery because you can't think outside the metal box, and can't think in terms of large numbers.
Seems like you can't think beyond your self.
You mad bro?
By frobot
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:05am
Sounds like somebody's a little bitter about all those hippy bike-riding tools merrily passing his stationary automobile while he sits in gridlock.
Nobody said everyone should bike to work. With that said, if you're able, it's a great way to get around. Unless there's severe weather, my boss at my side job bikes from Somerville to Allston year-round, and he does so comfortably because he has the right gear for the elements.
But you don't care about any of that, because you're a big boy and bikes are for kids. Your loss.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not everyone can bike, are
By Kate
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:52pm
Not everyone can bike, are not walking great, but can still drive. Forest Hills is , well, hilly. And some people need trucks for their work, like, carpenters, masons, contractors, you know, those people who repair your living space. And though hundreds of condo/apartment units are being built, there is no way to restrict whether or not the new occupants drive. Yes, bikes are great, but the density of this neighborhood ... not a good scenario.
I hope you do realize
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 11:03pm
People who live in Boston drive through that area, too.
Also, spending billions extending the Orange Line to Hyde Park and other places will not necessarily lower traffic, unless you are planning on firing up a tunnel boring machine and digging a path up Washington Street to the Dedham Line.
Then we could have a subway
By ChrisF9800
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 11:47pm
Then we could have a subway line under a gas pipeline next to an active quarry! What could possibly go wrong?
You mean like the scene in
By Rob
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 7:02pm
You mean like the scene in Skyfall where Silva presses a remote transmitter, triggers a bomb, and aims an Underground train at 007's head?
[img]https://www.cinesite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/0...
We'd have to point that
By dotratfromwayback
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 5:27am
We'd have to point that boring machine in multiple directions and build a brand new transit system to keep up with growth in the area and become a reliable system. Along with massive improvements on the current system of course.
JP
By Parkwayne
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 7:53pm
Since JP is the place people need to live to be avoid traffic, they should replace most of it with high rise apartments like Hong Kong. Then we can ALL afford to live in JP like the trustfunders like Kinopio and co.
No tunnels
By SteveE
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 9:38am
Tunnel boring machine??? It would just run along the commuter rail right of way.
Great Idea
By Waquiot
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 1:52pm
Where is are the commuter rail tracks by High Point Village? Georgetown? The Dedham Line?
Emergency Preparedness "Have a Plan!"
By Scooterdude
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:28pm
Be Prepared by taking these few important steps:
1) Google "City of Boston Evacuation Routes". (These are the routes you should plan on using in case of a public emergency, meteorological disaster or homeland security alert, etc.)
2) Note those locations which might be particularly congested during normal traffic situations. ( Near my neighborhood, Washington St. Roslindale, etc. is regularly in gridlock in any average rush hour.)
3) Plan on an alternative route or mode of transportation. (My bicycle is always ready. Walking shoes are good for a few miles' hike, etc.)
4) Stock up on food and water, survival supplies, because you decide, you're probably not going to be one of the early lucky ones to be able to leave the city in an orderly, calm and cooperative manner.
5) Stock up on booze and weed, and get some good music ready. Do you have good head-phones?
#6
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 1:30pm
Know where your local high ground is if you are expected to evacuate for an inland flooding or coastal surge event.
You can do this in Google Earth.
Similar situation yesterday
By Cleary Squared
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:42pm
I was waiting for the Route 38 bus back to Wren Street at the JP Monument and it took nearly an hour for the bus to arrive. The line of traffic from the beginning of South St to Forest Hills must have been horrendous.
Would another bus lane help here
By Ron Newman
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 7:23am
like the one in Roslindale?
Maybe
By Ari O
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 11:23pm
The 39, for instance, could bypass traffic on Centre Street, but it would require removing half of the parking in JP on Centre Street, and the business would scream bloody murder. Of course, it's not like anyone can get there right now, but good luck convincing a business person customers might arrive on a bus.
yep
By SC from JP
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 7:53am
Businesses always flip out when parking is removed, and it honestly makes me wonder how well they know their customer base. I would genuinely like to know what percentage of people in say, City Feed arrived in their cars. It just can't be that high.
I vaguely remember seeing a
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 3:12pm
I vaguely remember seeing a study done with business owners, who mostly do drive to their locations, vastly overestimating the number of customers who arrive by car --- I want to say it was focused on the back bay?
Aren't there already two
By eherot
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 11:07am
Aren't there already two rather generously sized parking lots just behind the commercial buildings on Centre St? Also, nearly every house on the adjoining streets (most of which are single or 2 family) has a driveway, so parking on the side streets really shouldn't be an issue.
On Centre Street it might
By eherot
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 11:10am
On Centre Street it might make more sense to just make the whole street (from Forest Hills to Jackson Square, or at least Hyde Square) local traffic + buses only, and cross traffic + buses only from the monument to Green. There are plenty of alternative routes for drivers.
HORRIBLE will not change
By Tricia
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:53pm
The traffic is much worse since construction. The bridge was much better. The lights are not synced. You need to go in U turns rather than making right turns. It's an absolute mess. The construction trucks leaving will not eliminate these messes. Welcome to the new normal. The only benefit is driving towards Franklin Park there is a left turning lane. Literally everything else is a SS.
Alternate Routes
By In The Know
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 9:36am
Recently we had a series of appointments early morning at a medical center in the South End. The normal route would have been Washington St toward JP and Roxbury to get there.
Through the first event and 45 mins just getting down Washington St just to Forest Hills, it was easy to see it extended beyond the horizon. We weathered it and were late.
We tried it again and faced the same issue. Once near the station we cut over the bridge near Walk Hill St and looked at Hyde Park Ave. Same problem. So I went up Walk Hill St to American Legion, inbound on American Legion to Blue Hill. Inbound on Blue Hill to Geneva, Geneva westerly to Egleston Sq, where we picked up Columbus Ave and our normal route.
We essentially drove around the perimeter of Franklin Park to get around the traffic, and guess what? We actually did it in less time than sitting in the gridlock. Sure there was traffic that way but it was moving.
The final traffic patterns are already in place at Forest Hills. The problem is that people continue to try to make left turns where now prohibited, block the box out of greed and self-entitlement, and clearly do not know that the flashing yellow arrow means ok to turn that way if no traffic is coming at you. Who invented that? No one in Boston knows what that is !
Even at off peak hours navigating that area is a problem and takes times. Traffic lights not in sync is only piece of the problem.
MassDOT played the good people of JP on this one and the adjoining neighborhoods were never considered because it was made a project only germane to abutters. Add to that all of the housing construction and construction blockages, none of which is coordinated -- and there is no regulation to require that -- and you set the stage for what you have now.
The mantra was that public transportation was the solution but even with a dedicated bus lane that won't fix it. What about the buses trying to get in from other roadways? Or get out of the station? Blocked box again.
You've all been played on this one. Don't let it happen again.
Flashing yellow turn light
By Ari O
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 11:26pm
I have no idea what this is and why it has become the new standard. Everyone use to know that a green ball meant go and turn left if there isn't traffic approaching. But MassDOT seems to love it, and cites studies that it makes things safer, although I somehow doubt it.
A Most Unfortunate Signal Phase
By Elmer
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 3:26am
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A solid green ball (without a green arrow) always means traffic must yield when turning left. The flashing yellow arrow means exactly the same thing, so of course, it's going to be confusing
Some people will think it's the same as a green arrow, and incorrectly assume the right-of-way. Other people who figure out its meaning may begin to incorrectly assume the right-of-way when there's just a green ball without a flashing yellow arrow.
Adding new, superfluous signal phases to an already cluttered trafficscape is yet another distraction. Flashing yellow arrows are a bad idea. I don't like them.
My god, everything new is
By tofu
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 7:34am
My god, everything new is scary and confusing.
Whoever can't figure out a flashing yellow arrow - together with a sign that says "YIELD ON FLASHING YELLOW ARROW" - they should not be driving a 4-ton vehicle.
The fact that they need the
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:13pm
The fact that they need the sign demonstrates that the light makes no sense.
FYAs are not new and
By DTP
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:45am
FYAs are not new and superfluous. They are intended to replace the use of a green ball for left turning traffic.
Anyone who assumes a flashing yellow arrow means the same as a green arrow should not be driving, and needs their license revoked ASAP.
And you can dislike them all you want, but they're far less ambiguous than the old method of using green balls, and there's plenty of evidence that backs that up.
A Flashing Yellow Light Implies You Have The Right-Of-Way
By Elmer
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 6:08pm
A flashing yellow ball means caution, and is frequently used where cross traffic has a flashing red light. Traffic with the flashing red must stop and yield, but traffic with the flashing yellow has the right-of-way.
A solid yellow arrow also means you have the right of way. When it follows a green arrow, the yellow arrow warns time is running out, but until it changes to red (or a green ball), opposing traffic will be signaled to stop.
So now, instead of yellow meaning you have the right-of-way, but use caution; the meaning of yellow changes to stop and yield to other traffic. It's not a matter of drivers not learning this new meaning, it's just not intuitive, so it requires more thought and attention.
Only in this one special case where it's an arrow and it's flashing does yellow mean yield. There's nothing that can possibly go wrong.
Flashing Yellow Arrows have
By DTP
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:41am
Flashing Yellow Arrows have been the new standard for probably 10 years now, and most of the country now uses them exclusively.
The logic behind it is that green signal indications normally assign right of way, and left turning traffic on a green ball does NOT have right of way.
There are a few advantages to
By cden4
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 11:16am
There are a few advantages to the flashing yellow arrow:
If you have a left turn that is both protected at one point and then permissive at another, you only need one signal. It can display a green arrow during the protected phase and a flashing yellow arrow during the other. Previously, you needed a doghouse signal, with a green arrow on one half and a green ball on the other half, with the green arrow only being displayed during the protected phase and the green ball during the permissive phase.
(I have no idea why they used a doghouse signal in the above photo. It really doesn't make any sense because you can't control the left turn separately with a red ball shared by both movements.)
It also means that you can have a permissive left that is separately controlled from the through movement. You can allow permissive left turns from the left turn only lane while keeping the through traffic in the other lanes stopped. If the left turn lane had a green ball, this could be confusing to the drivers in the other lanes that still had a red ball. The flashing yellow arrow makes it clear that only left turns are allowed during that time.
Not so fast...
By 500Monkeys
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:53pm
There is more construction activity out there right now than at almost any point since the overpass demolition. There are lane restrictions and raised manhole covers all over the area - north, south, east, west - as they get ready for final paving and striping over the next few weeks. Construction continues in the central median and on the two (!!) central plazas. The northern head house and upper busway roof are still to come, but that steel is starting to be staged for erection it looks like. Yesterday the southbound turn lane onto South Street from the eastbound Arborway was closed entirely. There is ongoing construction and ever-changing detours at every pedestrian-used corner and crosswalk from the Courthouse to the Arboretum, from St. Mark to Ukraine Way. The bike lanes are a weekday parking lot by the Courthouse since the permanent parking in the bus yard hasn't been provided yet. It is definitely no picnic for any mode right now. But because of all that I firmly believe it is too early to judge the effectiveness of the final configuration - we just aren't there yet. The whole point was to provide a multi-mode solution for all users and an improved recreational corridor for the city on these parkways - and I think it will get there before they're done.
Though horses would currently be faster than cars at rush hour, I recommend holding 'em for now.
Arborway Mess
By Green Team
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 7:26pm
I understand everything you said but it would be great if the raised castings were done in small phases rather than raising most of them closing lanes and snarling traffic until the roads are paved. This is a major thoroughfare with three main roads meeting in one location including a major hub for the MBTA. It appears to me that the Commonwealth didn't take that into consideration when the project was funded. So much for the initial impact study. When this mess is complete it will be much nicer and a pleasant parkway than the ugly metal structure called an overpass hovering over what was meant to be the connection of the Emerald Necklace from Jamaica Pond to Franklin Park by Fredrick Law Olmstead (the man that brought you the Boston Common and oh yes Franklin Park). Until then I will continue to bypass this mess of a project!!!
It's Olmsted. And no, he didn
By anon
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 12:39pm
It's Olmsted. And no, he didn't bring us Boston Common. Did you really type those words? Or Franklin Park, for that matter. The land was sitting there, Olmsted didn't pay for it, and he didn't import it from France. Olmsted's park design did not include a golf course. Or ponds. Or a zoo. Or a hospital complex. Or a sports stadium. But if you squint, the rest is his. Sort of.
Sorry, Olmstead Designed both
By Green Team
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 7:53pm
Sorry, Olmstead Designed both including the Emerald Necklace. (Wikipedia)
Green Team loses
By anon
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 10:28pm
Wikipedia does not confirm your wrong statement about Olmstead. It's interesting that you cite Wikipedia , but no links to anything.
So here we go, with links
Olmstead article.No mention of Boston Common
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Law_Olmsted
Boston Common article. No mention of Olmstead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Common
Green Team draws
By Waquiot
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 9:04am
Franklin Park is indeed an Olmsted creation. Boston Common predated Olmsted by a few centuries, so suffice to say he didn't create it.
it would be great if the
By Rob
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 9:03pm
No it wouldn't.
If they did it in small pieces, you'd complain about how long it was taking and the quality of the final result - seams between short segments all the way down the road, trying to match grade and pitch for each one.
It would be great if they
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 2:28pm
It would be great if they installed the raised castings one day, then paved the next day.
Usually they put in the raised castings, leave it a bumpy mess for a month, then sweep in one night and pave it all.
Yes,but will it EVER be done?
By hollydollydoo
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 7:49pm
Yes,but will it EVER be done???
Your continuing enthusiasm is heartening
By Waquiot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 11:00pm
Despite the contractor's best efforts to break you.
First, why is this work being done during times of high traffic volumes. Feeney are doing work that involves closing lanes of Hyde Park Ave by the Forest Hills T parking lot, but they don't do it at peak times. Heck, they get a lot of it done on Saturdays. There are roads with raised casings all over the place- just go on any parkway in the West Roxbury area and you'll see. Yet somehow cars manage to travel on those roads with a minimum of fuss.
Second, your description of what is going on does expose the lie that is the construction timetable. Major work was supposed to be completed by December, and I give them enough credit in that the lanes shifted by then, but they also said that the minor features would be done by now (ignoring the situation at the upper busway, because after all bus riders don't count.) Will they ever be done? Is it possible to have more than 5 workers on the site at one time?
Third, why the heck did they build a bike lane only to have it used for parking. I really hate to use harsh language, but that is utter bullshit. They are planning on using an existing space for parking. They've had 3 years to get it done.
In short, this is a horribly mismanaged project that proves how horribly the planning was. I really, really want them to prove me wrong, but things like this just make me think I am right.
Indeed
By Michael Kerpan
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 12:07am
A half-hearted, poky effort overall -- and next to no effort at all so far for the benefit of bus riders.
Must be lots of JPers voting up this bull pucky apologia
By Jeff F
Sun, 06/10/2018 - 4:34pm
I was in this traffic jam. Finally got off the 39 around where James Gate used to be and walked the last few blocks to FH in order to catch my connection (passed the previous 39 which had been 10 minutes ahead of us before I even got there).
At 4pm all the traffic lanes were open. There was no construction taking place (same as many other times when I've encountered horrendous traffic). You asserion about the turn onto South street being closed at that time is false.
Also when the traffic is already crawling at ~3mph, raised castings make no additional difference. You don't see the drag effects of things like that unless the traffic is already going 20+ mph. And the fact that bike and pedestrian travel is impeded by sidewalk construction makes, if anything, a positive impact on vehicle flow, as there are fewer places where peds/bikes wait to cross.
Forest Hills is a mess, far far worse that it's been in the past. The project to 'fix' if has cost far more, taken far longer, and inconvenienced many more Bostonians than any of its defenders are willing to admit.
But hey, all you JPers living nearby get such great views when you look to the southwest now! Who cares if the (often less-well-heeled, often darker-skinned) folks of Roslindale et al are having hours, days, weeks of their lives wasted, stolen by this fustercluck, amirite?
Please show the class
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 10:05am
Present the studies and cost estimates that prove that replacing the bridge would not have caused such issues.
That Rainbow Brite herself would have magicked away all the cars to make it all better, and made it as cost efficient in less time than building a new OMG change nothing egostructure memorial to lost opportunities.
The southbound South St turn lane WAS closed on the 7th
By 500Monkeys
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 10:59am
...the day before I wrote my post (check the date). I'm under the impression that was also the date of the photo that I was responding to as well.
Raised manhole covers - and sketchy lane markings - throughout the project area absolutely disrupt the speed/comfort/confidence/progress of motor vehicles. Detour tape, cones and closed crosswalks, pathways and desire lines absolutely disrupt the passage of pedestrians and bikes - I don't see how you could dispute that.
Given the state of flux and confusion things are a mess right now throughout, for ALL modes - as I stated.
On the delays: The Mass Historical Commission spent a year considering the conversion of Shea Circle to 'Shea Square' before demolition even began. MBTA blew a year of work on the central plazas fumbling the platform jet fans (their original responsibility rather than the Highway Division), and another 6 months at least foot dragging the upper busway roof design and procurement (not to mention the interior station ADA work which you'll properly complain about for the next few years). MBTA and Highway are both part of MassDOT, but the lack of coordination between these state agencies/departments has been a significant factor in the timeline erosion in my view.
No one ever imagined the construction period was going to be a picnic, but many, many organizations and individuals who participated in and followed the planning process closely believed then and continue to believe now that the END result will be worth it for Forest Hills, JP, the rest of the city and the region.
And I'm not touching your classism or racism charges.
This kind of gridlock will
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 6:56pm
This kind of gridlock will keep increasing all over Boston in proportion to all the parking spaces being added to the city's supply at every new office building in the city. Walsh needs to show some leadership and reduce or eliminate parking spaces built at new office and commercial buildings. And Baker needs to stop dithering with the mbta and do more than not cancelling all of Patrick's initiatives moving forward. Baker and Walsh may be car guys too important to use public transportation, but the rest of the areas residents need more and better service.
Blocking the "box"
By Daan
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 8:04pm
How much of the gridlock was caused by folks who went through a yellow light and then had to stop in the intersection box - causing drivers on the crossing road delays?
Downtown on Oliver Street a 4 bus waited 5 minutes at Oliver and the 93 exit because with every light cycle drivers pulled out of the exit into the box in spite of the yellow light indicating to stop. So traffic that had the green signal could not move. Gridlock.
If the city BTD actually did their job they would have cops at both this intersection and Forest Hills playing parent since many drivers are playing as children.
When drivers start following simple rules and common sense of using the road then they can start kvetching about how "those people" are messing things up.
As bad as a person who didn't vote whining about Trump.
They really should have
By anon
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 8:16pm
They really should have someone flagging at these sites. Doesn't have to be a cop - private flaggers are allowed in Massachusetts.
Don't Block the Box
By BB from Dot
Fri, 06/08/2018 - 10:19pm
In NYC there are serious fines for "blocking the box" i.e. an intersection. I've seen a few signs in Boston like that, but very few. What a great way for the city to make money if we posted and enforced it.
Enforcement there is a little different
By Neal
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 1:42am
The boxes are camera enforced, so cars that remain the intersection after the light changes get tickets in the mail (and points on their insurance). Also, there is no right turn on red allowed in New York City, so that helps reduce gridlock caused by cars entering the intersection and obstructing the way for cars with a green.
At least half wrong, and
By Rob
Sat, 06/09/2018 - 6:30pm
At least half wrong, and maybe all wrong.
Wrong. What actually happens in NYC as opposed to most other places is that that Turn On Red is legal only where specifically posted (most other places you can unless there's a No Turn On Red sign) because (in part) of all the one-way streets and special lanes.
I'm less sure about that. NYCDOT website is clear that they use camera enforcement for red-light violations at some locations. While red-light violations certainly can contribute to gridlock, the most recent release I could find about gridlock and painted & signed don't-block intersections was for live, in-person enforcement.
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