People smoke/vape/ingest pot all the time, all over the city (and state, and country, etc). A whole lot of people. The only ones who are going to have problems as a result of this proposed store are the ones who are selling it illegitimately in that area. Are those the people you're worried about?
No, I'm not personally a fan of recreational drug use, even though it's been legalized (at least locally).
Accepting that it is legal, however, and moving on... it's bad idea to put it there.
Two failed restaurants in the spot.
One murder on the premises.
A school down the street.
Not zoned for it.
At least four liquor stores and a "club" already within a few blocks.
It's tough enough to sustain businesses around there that raise the bar, like a nice restaurant (I was in KaCarlos a couple of times after it opened, it was nice and hopeful to see). This proposed use does not raise the bar.
Will its operating hours be restricted similar to other existing businesses?
ZBA erratic history of generosity/"fairness" to owners/developers in this area raises concerns about this going too far.
Local bar (Cataloni's) was closed for drug trouble and that property - in a good location - hasn't seen the light of day in years. http://www.uphamscornernews.com/catalonis-status.html https://www.dotnews.com/2010/catalonis-appeals-shutdown-state https://www.universalhub.com/2010/city_shut_dorchester_bar_over_repeated...
of pot. I smoke a lot of pot. As a Dorchester resident, the location is fairly close to my home. However this specific location is Trouble, for all the reasons Rob listed. This is a really bad idea.
This location has had such a troubled and toxic history with the neighborhood, that the notion of bringing a pot shop into there reads almost like an Onion story.
As detailed in the article, this location has a bad reputation, to put it nicely. Someone was shot and killed inside the restaurant a couple years back, and another person was shot and killed about 1-door down last year. The owners of the building have a long history of transferring the property among family members and in the past have been linked, either directly or indirectly, to organized crime. Honestly, this property should be raised and redeveloped as residential. I am not philosophically opposed to recreational pot and see many benefits in its potential to kill the black market, but this location has a lot of baggage with it, and the idea of making it a dispensary is suspect from the outset. I hope the City thinks twice about allowing this.
I've seen a couple of "No Pot Shops in Newton" lawn signs. It's really akin to people putting up "NO Liquor Stores in [town]" signs, which would pretty much never happen.
Do I want a pot store next to my house? No. Do I want a liquor store next to my house? No. Do I mind having either in a local business district? Not at all.
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What makes it a 'residential' shop?
I don't see this term anywhere in the linked article, and don't really know what it means.
I would imagine "recreational"
is the intended word.
Moronic reporter checks in
Yes, it should be "recreational," not "residential." Fixed.
They have a couch out back
They have a couch out back where you can crash for a day or two, if you really need to.
Great! Don't we have enough
Great! Don't we have enough problems?
Newflash
People smoke/vape/ingest pot all the time, all over the city (and state, and country, etc). A whole lot of people. The only ones who are going to have problems as a result of this proposed store are the ones who are selling it illegitimately in that area. Are those the people you're worried about?
Yes, we have enough problems
People using cannabis isn't one of them.
Cannabis being illegal and sold through illegal channels is one of them.
Get your facts, and get them straight please.
(Note: I don't even use the stuff.)
Agree!
So many problems, it will be nice to have a way to er.. mitigate them.. legally now.
No, I'm not personally a fan
No, I'm not personally a fan of recreational drug use, even though it's been legalized (at least locally).
Accepting that it is legal, however, and moving on... it's bad idea to put it there.
Two failed restaurants in the spot.
One murder on the premises.
A school down the street.
Not zoned for it.
At least four liquor stores and a "club" already within a few blocks.
It's tough enough to sustain businesses around there that raise the bar, like a nice restaurant (I was in KaCarlos a couple of times after it opened, it was nice and hopeful to see). This proposed use does not raise the bar.
Will its operating hours be restricted similar to other existing businesses?
ZBA erratic history of generosity/"fairness" to owners/developers in this area raises concerns about this going too far.
Local bar (Cataloni's) was closed for drug trouble and that property - in a good location - hasn't seen the light of day in years. http://www.uphamscornernews.com/catalonis-status.html
https://www.dotnews.com/2010/catalonis-appeals-shutdown-state
https://www.universalhub.com/2010/city_shut_dorchester_bar_over_repeated...
I am a fan
of pot. I smoke a lot of pot. As a Dorchester resident, the location is fairly close to my home. However this specific location is Trouble, for all the reasons Rob listed. This is a really bad idea.
CCC licenses
Is the CCC expected to issue licenses with any regularity? Is it a monthly schedule? Weekly? So far I've only heard of the one out in Milford.
It's been almost two years
It's been almost two years since the vote and we've yet to have any rec shops open.
Question: Is Massachusetts a democracy?
DOA
This location has had such a troubled and toxic history with the neighborhood, that the notion of bringing a pot shop into there reads almost like an Onion story.
Fishy
As detailed in the article, this location has a bad reputation, to put it nicely. Someone was shot and killed inside the restaurant a couple years back, and another person was shot and killed about 1-door down last year. The owners of the building have a long history of transferring the property among family members and in the past have been linked, either directly or indirectly, to organized crime. Honestly, this property should be raised and redeveloped as residential. I am not philosophically opposed to recreational pot and see many benefits in its potential to kill the black market, but this location has a lot of baggage with it, and the idea of making it a dispensary is suspect from the outset. I hope the City thinks twice about allowing this.
That killing was when the
That killing was when the restaurant was under its previous name - Ka Carlos - wasn't it? Was it the same owners then?
Have you seen the signs in Newton?
I've seen a couple of "No Pot Shops in Newton" lawn signs. It's really akin to people putting up "NO Liquor Stores in [town]" signs, which would pretty much never happen.
Do I want a pot store next to my house? No. Do I want a liquor store next to my house? No. Do I mind having either in a local business district? Not at all.
"NO Liquor Stores in [town]"
I bet there were some such signs when Arlington, Rockport, and other formerly dry towns were deciding whether to change their status.
Yea sure
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