Vivian Gerard's security camera caught a pedestrian getting mowed down at the intersection of Dorchester Avenue and Adams Street in Fields Corner about 11:30 a.m. on Wednesday.
The gentleman with the backpack is crossing Dorchester Ave as all traffic lights are red, and the ped light turns “green” as he is about halfway into his street crossing. A car is speeding thru the intersection sending him over the car hood, and then onto the ground. The driver did stay on the scene. The hit pedestrian was taken by ambulance shortly after. At the time of the posting of this video the victim’s condition is unknown.
Gerard is fed up with the situation at the intersection and wonders when it will see some enforcement and more permanent changes to reduce the odds of a crash like this:
Flanked by 3 high schools, a myriad of businesses and a nearby Red Line stop, this is Fields Corner’s busiest intersection for motor vehicles and pedestrians alike. More often than not, there are cars still moving thru the intersection well after all the traffic lights have turned red and the ped light has turned green. Some of it as to do with people driving thru the red light –occasionally at a high rate of speed. In other cases, vehicles may go thru a green light but find themselves stopped in the middle of this wide intersection by someone taking a left turn for instance. Once the traffic in front of them clears up, they keep on driving thru the intersection even though all the ped lights are green and all traffic lights are red. This condition occurs at most light cycles during busy hour.
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Comments
Not to excuse to the driver
By SamBoston
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:32am
Not to excuse to the driver at all, but based on that video, the sun was totally glaring in the driver's eyes.
That was what I noticed too
By tachometer
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:23am
There's a saying that you hear sometimes in cycling and motorcycling circles that "your shadow points to the people that can't see you" which is a good thing to keep in mind when the sun is low.
So you’re excusing the driver
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:25am
So you’re excusing the driver.
No, but
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:55pm
glare is a problem when driving.
if the driver was not able to
By Homer Bedloe
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 2:16pm
if the driver was not able to see where she was driving, shouldn’t she have stopped her car, or at the very least showed waaaaaaaay down?
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By slowman4130
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 9:29am
They were likely going less than 20mph there...
Not saying whether that's fast or not, but it's not like they were speeding
At 11:30 am
By GoSoxGo
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:34am
that's not much of an excuse. Perhaps people use sunglasses or a visor?
Never an excuse
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:49am
Due to a medical issue, I had some trouble handling glare.
Know what I did? I stopped driving at times that it would be an issue.
Well, most people who drive probably do not have
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:56pm
a medical issue that they can't handle glare.
Depending wear the sun is hitting your vision,
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:57pm
visors may not work.
Then pull over
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 2:17pm
There are several types of skills for dealing with sun glare.
But if you can't see, you pull over. The sun will move in a couple of minutes.
If you can't see where you
By Matt
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:58am
If you can't see where you are piloting your 4000lb metal box, you should slow the hell down.
Well then
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:33am
They just shouldn't try to cross dangerous streets using a crosswalk with a red light.
How could she possibly see him or the light? Just not used to the light.
Can we make more excuses for these drivers?
Pedestrian Light??
By my 2 cents
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:02am
On top of the sun glare, looks like the pedestrian had the do not cross red light. Video doesn't show proof of green light for the driver. At least he stopped and waited.
Hope person is okay.
Pedestrian light
By downtown-anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:19am
the pedestrian light was red at the time the pedestrian started crossing, but at the time he was hit the light was white.
The point being
By Waquiot
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:28am
The driver might not have gone through a light that was red, or if it was red it might have just turned red. The driver might have been trying to stretch a yellow.
If the jeep hit the pedestrian, we would probably not be seeing this video, since it would be a simple case of a guy jaywalking. The jeep did a sudden stop, before the walk sign was lit.
I jaywalk all the time. I take all sorts of risks. If someday my risks end up with me in the hospital, I'll probably admit that I did something I shouldn't have. On the other hand, I've had walk signs and had to scurry because a driver wasn't paying attention. This was not necessarily the case.
The driver ran the light
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:37am
Flat out.
At 30 mph, the stopping distance plus thinking distance is 120 feet. At 30 mph, 3 seconds is 132 feet. The speed limit at that location is 30 mph or less.
So look, the ped light turns walk -- meaning the motor vehicle light is red -- before the guy gets hit. That means that the car either (a) was speeding, (b) didn't come to a safe stop when the light turned yellow despite being able to do so, or (c) both.
The only conclusion is if the driver was obeying traffic signs and signals, that car would have stopped at the light.
The driver might have been
By Scratchie
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 12:08pm
That's also illegal.
But what about crossing against the signal
By Waquiot
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:07pm
I've looked at the video several times now, but when you look at the still above, the pedestrian is halfway across the street and the signal still shows the red hand of Ulster.
So what?
By Scratchie
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:33pm
The walk light was on when he was hit, and the driver had a red light. End of story. You can try to cast blame on the pedestrian as much as you want, but the video clearly shows that the driver is 100% at fault.
Not exactly the driver seems
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 2:55pm
Not exactly the driver seems to have been taking the right from Adam's street and not running a red light
I want to dispute this but I
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 3:57pm
I want to dispute this but I honestly can't see the pedestrian signal either way. Could someone describe where it is in the screen?
The pedestrian signal
By ScottB
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 4:42pm
Is directly above the middle of the white car parked or standing on the other side of the street. You can see it turn from orange to white just as the pedestrian reaches the middle of the street.
Ok so when white walk sign
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 5:24pm
Ok so when white walk sign came on, Dot ave would have a red light. Did this car come from Adams Street southbound? So either the driver ran a red light or turned right onto Dot Ave. Then he would have to yield to pedestrians. If remember it right though this intersection doesn't alternate walks signs with Adams and Dot. If you push the button and wait , it will eventually go all way red and the walk signs come on.
The Jeep Yielded
By FootPad
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:52pm
It's my understanding that once the Jeep yielded right of way to the pedestrian, and the pedestrian entered the cross walk all other cars approaching that cross walk must yield as well.
That sounds like proper legal thinkin'
By erik g
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 7:43pm
There's no room for that in here. In here, we're assassinating the character of a pedestrian we've never met, based on a video of him being mowed down by a driver clearly running a red light. Can't you read?
Something is very wrong with
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:31pm
Something is very wrong with you if you are arguing " its the pedestrian's fault". This is why we can't have the nice things, like civilization, that other cities have in Boston.
Boston drivers from all
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:44am
Boston drivers from all neigborhoods and suburbs think red lights dont apply, and the police cant be bothered to do anything like say ticket those drivers. The whole state freaked out when one person for the first time in 80 years was killed by a shark and a wide range of solutions were proposed. Drivers kills pedestrians all the time in MA and nothing is done.
The pedestrian even looked
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:45am
The pedestrian even looked both ways before crossing the street!
And yet somehow...
By Turalura Lipschitz
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:03am
the pedestrian didn't notice, or at least didn't heed, the Don't Walk signal when he started across the street. The signal turned to Walk when ped was about halfway through the intersection (at 0:12 of the video).
And, oh, by the way, there's a bicyclist chugging through the red light at 0:15.
If you want to be sticklers about cars, then be sticklers about bikes and pedestrians, too.
Hogwash. Cars weigh orders of
By Matt
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:11am
Hogwash. Cars weigh orders of magnitude more than pedestrians or cyclists. Cars travel orders of magnitude faster than pedestrians or cyclists. Momentum is the product of mass and speed; they work together. Cars are way, way more dangerous and have way more killing power; with that, they have greater responsibility to be safe. If a car hits someone, the person dies. If a pedestrian hits another pedestrian, a "sorry" is exchanged. Walking is inherently safe. Biking is inherently safe. They only reason all of our means of transportation are dangerous is because of the introduction of multi-ton vehicles traveling at high speed through our neighborhoods.
Clueless criminal car drivers
By Kinopio
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 12:40pm
Clueless criminal car drivers have no interest in things like "science" "common sense" or "personal responsibility". They are criminals themselves so they make up excuses for their fellow criminal drivers.
Yes, you're exactly right.
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 4:21pm
Yes, you're exactly right. We drivers are a fucking cartel bitch, and you just put yourself on our radar! Jackass.
Curious omissions there
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:14am
You didn't say anything about the car that rolled over the bike box and didn't stop on the line or the car partially parked in the crosswalk?
Do you see anyone on this thread saying don't ticket jaywalking or scofflaw cyclists? Do understand where the overwhelming majority of traffic violence comes from? Good god you car apologists are insufferable.
Also cute phrase, chugging through the red light, yeah that cyclist is a real menace there.
Heed this:
By Turalura Lipschitz
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 12:24pm
Don't call me a car apologist, you insufferable twat. I've ridden >1000 miles this year (nothing great obv, but not bad for 71 yrs old), promoted the Minuteman in dozens of ways, served on my town's bike committee, and might even suit up for the Jingle Ride in a week. I'm no car apologist.
But I do get my knickers in a bunch when I see my fellow cyclists cruising through red lights or not stopping for pedestrians in a crosswalk. No way we're going to fix the dumb laws (Stop signs, e.g.) until we riders as a group are seen as obeying the sensible ones.
You're a garbage advocate talking like that
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:13pm
This idea that every single one of us has to be seen obeying the law before we get respect on the road, better laws and better infrastructure is complete horseshit. Thats not how you legislate safety and is a hallmark phrase for car apologists.
Fantastic, you get your knickers in a bunch when you see cyclists run reds, if thats the worst outcome I think society will be just fine. Thanks for your work on the Minuteman and town bike committee, doesn't absolve your garbage opinions.
Those are the same standards
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 4:23pm
Those are the same standards you're applying to drivers though. One driver does something stupid and you and Kinopio are all like "all drivers are criminals" yadda yadda yadda....
No, actually, thousands of
By Scratchie
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 5:58pm
No, actually, thousands of drivers do stupid things every day -- we all see them -- and dozens of people are killed in Massachusetts every *month* as a result.
You still haven't disputed my
By anon
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 12:37pm
You still haven't disputed my point.
Nah Scratchie did because its a stupid point you made
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 4:04pm
Aside from the 100 or so Americans that will die on roads today, its pretty clear to anyone that cars represent a far great risk to damaging private and public property compared to cars. Its basic physics.
Its the reason why motorists need to be adults that are licensed, have registration, regular inspections, up to date insurance and bikes in contrast don't because friggin children, adults and the elderly all ride them without killing 100 people a day or crashing through store fronts.
♫ Turalura Lipschitz ♫
By erik g
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 7:46pm
Yoooooo're a piece of shit
It's so nice when the cadence matches.
The text of the story says
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 4:10pm
The text of the story says that the pedestrian light is green. I don't understand that exactly. Commenters seem to be interpreting it both ways.
1. So did the pedestrian have a walk signal?
2. was Dot ave light green or red?
Glare is not any kind of reasonable excuse, if you can't see then stop and pull over.
Road design and crash
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 6:24pm
Road design and crash interpretation are biased towards automobiles. The intersection should be designed in way that prevents cyclists and pedestrians from putting themselves at risk. The speed limit is 25. How could this driver have been observing the speed limit it if they couldn't stop in time? they didn't even brake until after they hit the pedestrian.
Wow,
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:36pm
Wow,
A speeding car is F-a-s-t and a pedestrian is walking. I almost got hit tonight crossing because when i turned my head to look another car sped up on me. People should not drive so recklessly, it is rude, arrogant and unsafe.
Automate traffic enforcement
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:51am
Sorry but the status quo of relying on the police to do anything or motorists obeying the laws isn't working. There is no push or incentive on either group that'll make our streets safer, time for traffic cameras, road diets, raised intersections and tech options like speed governors and tracking so we can find motorists that in inevitably leave the scene of a crash.
Good luck getting that passed though, the car lobby will fight this tooth and nail because freedom or liberty or whatever.
Car lobby has nothing to do with it
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:54am
Basic MA constitutional right to face your accuser.
You want this? Rewrite the constitution to make an exception for traffic offences.
You need to read up on
By Mac B Nimble
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:27am
You need to read up on constitutional law because the right to face an accuser only applies in a criminal trial, and tickets like this are civil offenses. Ample case law on this point.
Yeah screw it lets change it
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:51am
Your right to face your accuser, great, awesome, its a way to weasel out of meaningful measures to curb traffic violence. Once again, the car lobby will be there to fight this.
I dunno how the laws and such work in Europe but strict liability laws, as in you are at fault in a motor vehicle crash when hitting a vulnerable road user, needs to be explored.
Of course, you can just run over your future accuser and they can't appear in court.
Never Mind The Bollards
By BlackKat
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:06am
As a way to prevent red light running, pedestrian injuries and deaths, and box blocking... Pop up bollards that seal off intersections on light changes.
Unfortunately we know how maintaining infrastructure goes around here... so they would be as useful as that escalator that always breaks down at Star Market in Packard's Corner.
I walk most everywhere, and
By Steeve
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 9:31am
I walk most everywhere, and look both ways *four* times (due to my lack in faith of drivers) and cross where I'm supposed to, and I nearly get hit or buzzed by a car weekly at minimum. Sit at Bremen St Park in East Boston at the crosswalk and observe every second driver texting and doing California rolling stops at the busy crosswalks (and flip out when pedestrians have the gall to walk *in between* the two crosswalks at the main gate--how about you don't drive through the intersection until it's clear?). I've had to literally jump out of the way of an older driver turning left into a crosswalk by Santarpio's when I had a walk signal recently. If I were blind or staring at my phone (which would have been my right in that situation) I would have been gravely injured or killed.
If traffic enforcement cared more about keeping people safe in traffic, we'd be a lot better off. But they can't collect $50 from every pedestrian kept safe, so they just make traffic enforcement a revenue arm of the city. Though any common sense measures in major cities will face stiff headwinds from auto and fossil fuel lobbyists, and astroturfed backlash against any changes by the one person, one car crowd.
edit - clarity
No
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:02am
Very bad idea. That quickly turns into hypershortened yellow lights and massive corruption to shield friends of cops and politicians while extracting immense sums from people who did nothing wrong.
See also: Chicago
"Who did nothing wrong"
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:19am
Yeah sorry no, if the cameras catch you breaking the speed limit, running a red, failing to stop, thats on you. Yellow lights are shortened? Slow down. Take some responsibility FFS.
The only way it seems to get motorists to care about traffic laws and safety is to hit them in the wallet.
Valid point about corruption, I dunno make the process more transparent, innovate, do something at least.
Did nothing wrong
By anon
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 12:45pm
Plenty of examples in other states where the driver enters on a green that flips immediately red just to "catch" people "running the red".
Except they are already in the intersection when the light goes direct to red.
That doesn't actually happen.
By Scratchie
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 5:58pm
There's a thing called a yellow light.
It does actually happen when there is $$$ involved
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 7:38pm
My niece in Chicago bought a dash cam because of this shit - and beat three "red light" tickets because the light clearly jumped from green to red with barely a split-second yellow while she was traversing the intersection. These sorts of sketchy practices have nothing to do with safety - they were done just to enhance revenue.
Before we advocate for automated policing and for making traffic control a revenue department, it would be a very good idea to check out how this approach has played out in other places.
It might also be a good idea to check out whether traffic fatalities are lower in those places.
A solution isn't a solution if it doesn't actually solve anything. While I strongly believe that the cult of internal combustion has gone way, way too far and that anyone who does such things as this should be retested at the very least, I also believe in evidence-based actions.
I disagree with your thesis,
By erik g
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 7:51pm
but am actually 100% in favor of your plan of execution: if you're caught by a red light camera, it's up to you to prove you weren't in the intersection illegally when the camera caught you breaking the law. Dashboard cams for all, as it becomes incumbent on everyone to prove that they weren't operating their 4000-weapon-of-blunt-force negligently.
If you enter an intersection on a green light ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:59pm
You aren't breaking the law (so long as you had room to clear the intersection).
That was the problem - the lights were rigged.
It's a civil problem.
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 3:42pm
I am not saying that it is ok to fine driver's fraudulantly, but does it saves lives? If it slows down traffic then that's what we should do.
I'm so old I remember when
By anon
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:47am
I'm so old I remember when bringing up Chigago was racist.
Chicago comment
By abostonparent
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 1:36pm
I think the previous poster was referring to how the City of Chicago got caught shortening yellow lights which resulted in an additional $8M in fines. One source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-red-light-c...
And near to Fields Corner, I see people blow through the light heading north/south on Adams St at the intersection for Centre Street every single day. I've called and emailed C-11 several times. Nothing has changed in four years. It actually feels like it is getting worse with the rise in popularity of Waze and more people drive into the city instead of taking the T because, well, you know... it doesn't really work.
You know what? This is terrible
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 2:20pm
But I'm still ok with it. Shaving off hundredths of a second means nothing in stopping a car any quicker but if word spreads and suddenly motorists are scared of a $100 ticket, good.
I'll take the $8 million, gotta get drivers to pay their fair share somehow and you know they won't vote for a gas tax increase.
And...
By 24
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 6:34am
And how are bikers contributing to funding the upkeep of roads (other than the taxes everyone, regardless of whether they use roads or not, pays)?
Well you kinda answered your question there
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 10:16am
Carefully worded of course, you acknowledge that everyone pays taxes, regardless of whether they use the roads or not. What you carefully omitted was that what motorists currently pay doesn't cover the true cost of driving and up keeping the infrastructure they use.
And if you want to go with the idea that what you pay is proportional to usage, be careful. While you could argue that cyclists represent 1% of road users, the bike infrastructure provided for us certainly doesn't.
Also there is the whole externalities thing that motorists again don't pay anyhting for, like impacts on healthcare needs. And theres that whole bit about cars doing far greater damage to roads than a little bicycle.
So yeah we pay more than enough for what we get.
I wasn't saying I agreed with
By Steeve
Fri, 12/07/2018 - 9:29am
I wasn't saying I agreed with that, it's just how things ended up.
I'm not sure how you'd
By tcf098
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 9:56am
I'm not sure how you'd prevent an accident like this from happening.
The pedestrian waited, and looked both ways a few times before crossing. Other than glancing into the lane he was entering, or not having a hood cinched around his head to obscure his vision. (But then again, what about a blind pedestrian?)
This isn't an excuse, but in the video it appears the sun is shinning directly into the driver's direction of travel, and the pedestrian is walking from a shadowed area. Either way, the driver blew through the red light – and who knows, this could be a cell phone/distracted driver situation as well.
Perhaps this driver should not be operating a motor vehicle?
automobile drivers are supposed to slow down in densely
By mplo
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:34am
populated areas, and it seems as if the driver in question here failed to do just that.
Ya think?
By Scratchie
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:46am
Ya think?
Or....
By Neal
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:00am
Perhaps when a driver hits a pedestrian (or otherwise demonstrates that they are incapable of safely operating a motor vehicle), it should be grounds for an immediate driver's license forfeiture until the driver can prove that they are fit to be operating a motor vehicle or other heavy machinery on a public way?
Make the punishment for such
By Matt
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 11:12am
Make the punishment for such an action a real consequence. If screwing up like this actually prevented you from driving for years, maybe people would take the operation of their 4000lb boxes a little more seriously.
driver definitely at fault
By bostnkid
Thu, 12/06/2018 - 10:18am
but if you look closely the do not walk sign is in effect until the exact moment he steps out of the sun and into the path of car. THE DRIVER SHOULD HAVE SEEN HIM AND ITS THE DRIVERS FAULT but that guy was halfway across the street before the light changed.
i hope that guy is ok.
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