By adamg on Wed., 12/26/2018 - 4:18 pm 
Roving UHub photographer Tim Murphy reports that as he was getting on the Expressway northbound at Neponset Circle, so was this woman on a bike. She then managed to "claim" the right lane at 10 to 15 m.p.h.
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Oh suddenly comment numbers matter?
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 9:35am
Recall that you didn't think that was a valid argument in a previous debate we had but if thats back on the table, look no further than the recent thread about a car hitting a light post, which has 7 comments. Also you'll notice that Kinopio didn't post there, so theres that.
Again, you are intentionally missing the point is a desperate attempt to make a point. As you've seen, I haven't defended the cyclist and have acknowledged that its super illegal. The motorist was also in the wrong but like I said, watch as people try to conflate the two as equally dangerous.
Each comment you add to this thread just re-enforces my original point. I'm also really glad you mentioned that a bike driving on the expressway is no different from a bike in the car lane. I mean it is different, in that one happens magnitudes of times more than the other but lets forget that for a moment. I'm so glad you acknowledged that blocking the bike lane with a car is dangerous because the usual knee jerk reaction to cyclist complaints is "whats the big deal, go around." It just happens to neatly fit into your narrative here so it gets mentioned.
Honestly at this point, I don't know what you are arguing, I think you're doing it for the sake of argument because I dunno, you don't like when people point out the obvious double standards that come with road safety?
You're deflecting
By Waquiot
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 9:59am
That's my argument.
Wow was expecting a novel of a response
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 10:13am
But accusing one of deflecting while deflecting yourself, well yeah I really didn't expect a middle school response but here we are. After your deflection points get shut down of course.
Once again, thanks for helping to prove my point :)
Well, let me cue the faux outrage then
By Waquiot
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 2:02pm
I mean, you definitely felt that the outrage with a cyclist on the Southeast Expressway was a bit much compare to the crime of someone whipping out a phone to photograph it.
Your words, not mine. (Well, okay, I'm paraphrasing, but seriously look at your words.)
OP: you would find it hard to
By anon
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 10:46am
OP: you would find it hard to find anyone who thinks biking on an interstate is a good idea
Argumentboy: scroll up - there is one who doesn't like people using phones while driving!
(many replies and logical fallacies later)
Argumentboy: YOU"RE DEFLECTING
It's not, actually. Texting
By Bunny
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 6:55am
It's not, actually. Texting while driving is illegal, bu you can use a hand-held cell phone in Mass while driving.
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/T...
If you can do the minimum
By anon
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 1:10pm
The cyclist was passing vehicles.
What is this minimum highway speed, again? If there is one in MA, then a whole lot of vehicles need to be forced off the roads so that vehicles can travel that speed, right?
Generally, "minimum" is
By Rob
Fri, 12/28/2018 - 9:10am
Generally, "minimum" is supposed to be 10 mph below the posted limit. So, if the posted limit is 55 and your '63 Newport is breathing on only one lung and can't reach 45 - you shouldn't be on that road.
Of course, that goes with the consideration of the actual limit maybe being lower based on what is safe for existing conditions.
Also, someone going "the minimum" or shall we say 'slower that the rest of free-flowing traffic" has the obligation to keep right (rightmost through-lane (or second lane when needed to get around dangerous entry/exit traffic)). Obstructing the passing lane (even if the traffic in it is (trying to) move at an illegal high speed) is a form of aggressive driving - dangerous and illegal (in most states) the same as tailgating or speeding.
One Step towards India's Highways
By tedpk
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 6:21pm
This kind of behavior needs to be curtailed by severe penalties and quickly or copycats will lead to widespread carnage as happens regularly on India's Highways.
Drive or preferably ride with someone experienced and experience multi-lane [sometimes more lanes of traffic then there are marked lanes] -- this is from a personal observation on the National Highway from Delhi to Agra in 2011 -- the road was sprinkled with:
all moving at various speeds of slow
and then you have to try to coexist with with loose animals -- sometimes with human minders leading them--
and you are in the midst of roaring, smokey motor scooters -- sometime with passengers as well as the driver
and then the majority of the vehicles -- all sizes of trucks, buses and cars -- many often driving without headlights at night and /or making up lanes as they see fit
a semi-worst case scenario in the heart of the Bengaluro -- the "Indian Silicon Valley"
http://www.fakingnews.com/fnimages/1002x564/propor...
Carnage is common as there is no enforcement of minimum speeds -- it there are any
The only reason the death toll is not as high as you might expect -- often times the multi-hour traffic jams are barely moving
Bicycles and people just can not coexist at highway speed with tons of fast moving metal without there being a lot of death a destruction or else everything has to move as slow as the slowest non-motorized vehicle -- might as well have people pushing baby carriages and walkers with their packs of dogs
In short follow this path and you are at the beginning of the 'Road to Insanity"
No one is advocating highways for anything but cars/trucks
By BostonDog
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 8:07pm
With very few exceptions, no one wants to ride on major highways or thinks they should be able to. A few times a year some wack job rides up a ramp but they are the bike equivalent of people who ignore the low clearance signs on the river roads.
Really?
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 8:53pm
I thought the road to insanity is not punishing anything that motorists do, including killing people while driving a truck that was legally required to have a pilot car.
Us cyclists ain't got nothing on the insane, entitled, and completely enabled shitty motorists around here when it comes to "road to insanity". Sorry.
The automobile industry lobby
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 12:44pm
The automobile industry lobby hasn't made it to India. The death toll would be lower if you remove the cars, however there isn't much profit in that.
There is only one place where cars own the road.
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 7:17pm
This is it. The freeway.
Suicyclist.
Google does have bike directions ... ugh.
Eh, probably safer than Morrisey Blvd
By anon
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 9:01pm
Just sayin..,
I don't think this is a good idea, BUT ...
By Ron Newman
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 9:16pm
if the cyclist is going 10-15 mph and *passing* the cars, she's probably not doing much harm to either herself or the drivers.
The on ramps
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 10:08am
That is the hard part of navigating any quasi highway for me (morrisey) Because of the angle and speed of the cars, it is next to impossible to cross safely.
Off ramps are also tough but mostly because Massholes never use their turn signal.
The safety problem with traffic jams is that the cyclists are hidden from most driver's line of sight (and people think its safe to text in jams). Driver's can be very aggressive in Jam's as well. They run more reds, and block bicycle lanes.
insane
By anon
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 9:49pm
What was this woman's state of mind doing something so dangerous and foolish? She needs psychiatric help.
I'm just here
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 12/26/2018 - 9:56pm
for the "highways should be for bikes anyway" comments. Don't disappoint me, Universal Hub.
Very well
By anon
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 1:08pm
Do tell us when you find one - I hear they look like this:
[img]http://commonsenseatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2...
Sometimes it's an understandable mistake but not here
By anon
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 7:30am
There are places where on-ramps blend into bike-accessible roads, and it's understandable to accidentally ride onto them, and once that happens bicyclists don't have a lot of great options for gracefully exiting. Neponset circle REALLY isn't that. Although the non-limited-access roads there aren't the most comfortable options available, the ramp is still a pretty obvious break between the ground level roads and the expressway.
Now this, this is world class
By anon
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 7:37am
Now this, this is world class . . .
World Class
By anon
Thu, 12/27/2018 - 12:15pm
That would mean that few would need to travel by car - like in the Netherlands.
One must remember, however, that the Netherlands
By mplo
Tue, 01/01/2019 - 10:55am
is far different than Boston and the United States, generally. Many of the European countries, including the Netherlands, especially in the cities, are even more densely populated than here in the United States, and have even bigger traffic problems. That's why there are fewer cars in Holland.
Boston is more like a European city
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 01/01/2019 - 11:45am
Boston is far more like a European city than it is like a western US city founded in the last century.
I've biked around enough Euro cities (Paris to Chinon via Tours; Barcelona, Munich, Berlin, Ireland) and US cities (particularly LA, SFO, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Chicago etc.) to recognize where Boston falls on the spectrum of city design. Like the Euro cities, Boston is old school city planning. Boston's population density is more comparable with a mid-size euro city (including most cities in the Netherlands) than it is with most US cities.
Boston should be taking its cue from compact and dense cities in Europe, since it is both compact and dense and similarly medieval in layout.
What you've said about Boston being more like a European city,
By mplo
Tue, 01/01/2019 - 3:34pm
in general, is true, but that's also true of many, if not most of the older cities here in the United States, as well.
That, in a nutshell, is what makes the fact that so many people are trying to make Boston into a so-called world-class city so weird.
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