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Smokin' - and everything else - in the boys' room

Mr. D, who teaches math at a Boston-area high school, wonders how he can get otherwise well behaved male students to stop ripping apart the restroom:

... Besides people peeing all over the toilets and floors (and usually not flushing what actually gets inside the bowl), every few days all of the toilet paper and paper towel rolls are shoved into every urine-filled toilet. A door was broken off its hinges as well. This was actually a new bathroom after the old ones were closed due to students causing flooding in one and taping the garbage can to the ceiling in the other (among other incidents). ...

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I'll play devil's advocate and question whether these kids are otherwise well-behaved. For example, are these the same kids who rip up and mark up the seats on the T?

In any event, there's a ton of displaced expressions of emotion at that age, and even many "good" kids are going to find outlets for them. The bathroom is one of the few places where you can act out and be unlikely to get caught!

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Grown professional women aren't much better... There are usually 1-2 pee splattered or unflushed toilets in our floor's women's room at any given time.

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Ahhh... the helicopter pee-ers. Their royal highnesses' asses are too dainty to sit where other women's germs are deposited, so they squat and spray pee all over the seat and floor.

I've seen some grotesque Men's rooms - I'm lookin' at you, UMass-Boston - but they're usually not too bad.

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It's disgusting.

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garbage can on a ceiling, hilarious!

Wait, Im sorry, its still kind of funny though. Its a tough thing to deal with because its pretty much the one last place in a school that is not under constant surveilence, for obvious reasons. Boys have alot of aggression and our system doesn't have too many outlets for that, so they do crazy things like trash bathrooms. Ive noticed that a well structured (key word WELL) sports program works with many kids, karate as cools them off as well, but your always going to have those outsiders (some are cool, others not so much) who dont get into any of that (or who that doesnt work for) who will still have aggression to get rid of.

The one thing I can think of that worked for my school (it was a small school so it may not work in a large setting) is that every teacher would have a log of bathroom use, and students could only use the bathrooms during class (not in between.) Every bathroom would be checked in between classes by a teacher and any out of the ordinary mess (trash can on ceiling etc) would have to be cleaned by the boys who were excused for that period of time at the end of school. That would go on for a few weeks and then the bathrooms would be reopened until the problems started again. People figured out pretty quickly who was messing up the bathrooms and the problem was resolved pretty quickly. The other thing they tried was only using the two bathrooms up near the principles office for everyone, but that was a nightmare because instead of a 30 second run to the closest bathroom you were hauling it for 3 minutes to and from to get to the bathroom, it wasnt productive at all.

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"Surveillance Cameras"

I think the threat of them would start a dialogue, especially with parents, about the consequences of inappropriate behavior.

When I was in high school, it only took some minor vandalism for faculty and the principals to stake out the restrooms at break times. Then again, unlike either the local area or the common era (not sure), parents were billed for vandalism damage. It used to piss me off when my husband taught high school that the little destructive brats he caught red-handed were never subject to paying for their damage.

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Unless I'm entirely mistaken, Swirly, it is totally against the law to mount surveillance cameras in bathrooms.

Mounting some dummy cameras might do the job, though.

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Dummy cameras wouldnt work all that well, kids are smarter then you give them credit for. They have been told for years not to trust strangers in the restroom, and that nobody has the right to look at them naked etc, so when a dummy cam shows up in the restroom at least one of them will figure it out. Maybe he will look it up online and see its illegal, maybe someone will ask their lawyer father, or someone will test the limits and see that nothing happens, or some tech savy kid will know its a dummy because even in the worst schools with a lack of formal education in tech matters there is always some kid who can take his VCR/DVD player apart and put it back toghter again... Its a dangerous slope because once they figure out one camera is bogus they will assume that others are bogus as well, which will negate any use cameras could have elsewhere because for the most part cameras are more of a threat then an actual tool in these situations, and confidence in the system is everything.

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That dialogue would probably turn legal -- invasion of privacy issues bigtime -- and turn the offending kids into victims of Big Bro. So while I agree that these kids should be taught some personal responsibility, I don't think that's the way to go.

This IS a tough one, and I fear that some kids, no matter what, will find an outlet for these emotions one way or the other.

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Jam the doors open. Most bathrooms don't open directly to the toilets so there's no privacy/indecency issue and when the doors are propped open and kept open, most kids don't feel they have the security to do the kinds of activities (like taping a trash can to the ceiling) because the tattle of an opening outer door is lost and any noise they make will go straight out to the hall.

My dad's middle school bathrooms don't even have doors, just a bit of windy passage that leads from the hallway to the bathroom (like a stadium bathroom).

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That might be better than surveillance cameras, which have the potential for abuse.

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Yeah but lets be honest they are not going to do anything in the bathroom if a cop is in there, but your not going to keep the cops in the bathroom... lol

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The city will be looking forward to your donation to fund this. I think detail rates are currently around $40 an hour - let's see - $40 an hour times 6 hours a day times 180 days a year times say 50 schools - you can make that check out for $2.25 million.

I like my idea of free student janitors better.

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I taught in the Japanese public schools for two years. At the end of every day EVERY student (from 1st grade up) has to clean their classroom plus an assigned public area - floors, walls, gardening, sweep the staircases, wash the windows etc. Lots of hands make light work - usually about a 20 minute task. This is to teach them that we live in society - not a pigsty - although a side benefit is there are no janitors (at least none I ever saw) which would single handedly solve the BPS perennial funding problems. When the upperclassmen/women have bathroom duty and have to clean graffiti off bathroom walls or they can't leave - the problem is resolved internally and there are few if any future offenses.

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It occurrs among pre-teen boys sometimes too. I remember back in the third grade (many, many years ago, of course), when one of the boys had peed on the floor of the boys' room of our school, so that all the boys had to be escorted and supervised by our homeroom teacher (who was a man).

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Hello all, Mr. D here (author of the originally linked article).

I wanted to thank everyone for their ideas (and a dose of levity) and give you a quick update on the situation. I can tell you that as someone suggested, the door to the bathroom is more than likely going to come off. Our school has an extremely small staff, making frequent, direct monitoring of the restrooms more difficult than larger schools with larger staffs(like the one I used to teach at). We also don't have the budget for the constant repairs and extra supplies needed.

I also found out today that things were worse than I imagined. Apparently, someone managed to break the sink by sawing through the pipe below. Stunned seems like an understatement at this point, even at a point in my career when very little surprises me.

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Good to hear that my suggestion was applicable. One other option is to close the more distant bathrooms forcing kids to one or two restrooms that can be monitored by the more limited staffing (my music teacher knew that he could keep us behaved enough in his practice room that he could basically park himself in or near the nearby men's bathroom between classes whenever needed to get kids to move along and prevent problems.

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At one point in my high school, they stationed teachers and other faculty outside bathrooms as monitors. You had to have a pass to go to the bathroom. The monitor unlocked the door, let you in (and no one else), then once you came out, before you could go back to class, they checked out the bathroom to make sure you didn't do anything malicious to it. I was always saddened that it had come to that, but what other choice did they have?

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