They look too good, reports the Urban Paramedic:
... Because we work so closely with the police, we know most of the cops by sight. It was funny to see the female officers, whom we'd known for years, passing themselves off as streetwalkers. Some would really get into it, wearing tight, ultra-short dresses, shiny stilettos, and gaudy jewelry. Despite this ridiculous getup, they tended to look better than the real hookers. While this certainly made it easier to lure johns, it sometimes gave them away. Real-life hookers don't look anything like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Instead, they tend to be dirty, scrawny, pathetic characters, addicted to crack or heroin. Johns occasionally became suspicious of the undercover officers because they looked a little too good. ...
He also describes actual prostitutes in action.
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I don't know what bothers me more
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:04am
The practice of impounding a guy's car, or the fact that a person would witness a blatant robbery and not draw attention to the pickpocket.
I think you missed my point
By TS
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 2:27am
I'm the person who wrote the post in question. And I think you may have missed my point.
Read it carefully. I didn't say that we NEVER helped ANY of those men. In fact, our reaction varied with the circumstances. If the man was impaired, then of course we would intervene. More than once we intervened physically, even though we had no legal or moral obligation to do so.
But some of them weren't impaired. Some weren't even intoxicated. They made a conscious decision to try and outsmart another person, and take advantage of her, but in the process discovered that they weren't quite as clever as they thought they were. They gambled and lost. And if the experience proved expensive or inconvenient for them, then perhaps they learned a valuable lesson.
I agree, if she is the one
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 7:53am
I agree, if she is the one that starts the exchange she is still the aggressor and that makes him a victim. If he waves her over and asks to "sample the goods" then it would seem a little different but she is still stealing his wallet. The blogger doesnt know how drunk someone is, some people play it off really well but are still impaired. They also fail to think that some of these people , even if not drunk, are confused by the exchange because they presumably came to the bar to have some drinks not get felt up by a hooker. Ive never had such an altercation and am not sure how I would react, especially if Im even a little tipsy, although if they are anything like my local hookers I would recoil from them very quickly lol.
I've had such an altercation
By anon
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:20am
Recommended response: secure your wallet with one hand and stiff-arm the hooker with the other, while saying "Get the fuck away from me!" Then find a taxi ASAP, because the hooker probably has an associate nearby to hand off the wallet to. It's the oldest trick in the book, page three of the first chapter (oldest profession).
And I have to agree
By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:38am
From the description posted here, the pseudo-prostitute initiated these contacts and then committed a theft. All the victim did was to exit a bar.
glory hound
By bostnkid
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 7:48am
time for more stories about heroin addicts ruining this guys doughnut break.
Emergency medical services is your friend
By neilv
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:37am
I was reading this paramedic/EMT guy since before the blog on hiatus, and I haven't seen him as a glory hound.
I think it's good for people to understand more about what EMS does. We should also appreciate the value of it more than we do (at least, more than we do outside the rare moment when we or a loved one needs EMS), and make sure that EMS is properly funded.
I can see controversy over this anecdote of not always intervening in street crime, but "donut break" doesn't sound very nice when EMS is already underappreciated.
Maybe so
By Kaz
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:42am
But you'd probably be a bit rankled too when you only get enough time in your job to have one doughnut break a month and the heroin addict was just looking for a free ride to the ER to score some more methadone for free.
I Find The Whole Thing Disturbing
By Suldog
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:27am
Never mind the pickpocketing, the supposed "taking advantage" of a hooker when the hooker initiated the contact, and the entertainment value to those in the know. The idea of police going undercover to stop transactions based upon mutual agreement rankles me.
Are some prostitutes pathetic? Yes. Are some (or most) johns pathetic? Yes. Doesn't matter, though. They both wish to engage in relatively peaceful commerce. There have to be better uses for the officers in this city.
Don't get me started on the constitutionality of impounding cars while performing this seamy operation.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Id rather it just be legal
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:54am
Id rather it just be legal so we can set up certain places where it can happen and then at least the health and safety of all parties involved can be protected... Also we could tax it
Who Really holds power in the situtation?
By GradStudent
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 11:02am
"The idea of police going undercover to stop transactions based upon mutual agreement rankles me."
It's not really that mutual. Oh sure, she may concent, but most women aren't particularly happy to be selling their bodies for a living. Some are forced into it by pimps that they owe money to thanks to drug addiction, etc. Johns are taking advantage of their vulnerable and exploited status.
As for arresting johns vs. prostitutes, I've heard that some cities are trying hard to crack down on the pimps themselves. It's a lot harder since they can be on the sidelines, so it's harder to prove they are involved. They can also intimidate their hookers into not testifying against them. Unfortunately, I haven't heard how effective this tactic has been long-term.
at least they are going after the Johns
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 9:19am
They are not treating prostitution in their jurisdiction as if it is all a matter of bad evil women from bad places coming in to lure and discredit poor innocent family menfolk. Quite a bit more sensible than the attitude the Woburn cops seem to take toward their tawdry highway hotel trade.
You have to look at it from
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 9:53am
You have to look at it from both sides of the coin. Sure by going after Johns you are creating an atmosphere where people are not sure if the hooker is real or not, and that can lead to less of it down the road. The problem is that all depends on publicity and if people are not aware that it is happening they will not avoid the local points of interest. It seems to me like this route may be popular with many jurisdictions because as a group the Johns are more capable and willing to pay any fines you toss at them, and by taking their car you now have leverage over them.
On the other hand by going after the girls your going after the root of the problem which is the person offering themselves. You take a girl off the street you affect many more meetings then by taking a John off the street. If she is not there she will not be selling sex, its physics really, she can not be in two places at once. The pool of hookers is much smaller then the pool of Johns so I would think that it would be easier to create a "stir" in the hooker ranks then the ranks of the Johns, but once again in these economic times which one is going to help pay the bills?
Try again, Shady
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:47am
So the root problem of people eating shit sandwiches is that people offer them shit sandwiches?
Bit of a flaw in that logic, Shady. The root problem with prostitution is that women need money, and there is a market for them "offering their bodies" that is more lucrative than other options available. Look at the research done worldwide, and you will find that prostitution is best alleviated by providing economic opportunities for women and though strong enforcement against the patrons of prostitutes.
I will give you offering
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:49am
I will give you offering help to the prostitutes, but disagree with the angle about going after the Johns being the best way. They are not the ones keeping these women down.
The root of the problem?
By GradStudent
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 10:55am
I really don't see "the person offering themselves" as the root of the problem. Do you think little girls dream of growing up to be hookers and they need to be deterred by police enforcement? The real root of the problem is what caused them to be desperate enough (or forced by someone else in some cases) to go into prostitution.
That root could be many things: violent parents, drug addiction, poverty, mental illness, a combination of things, etc. Unfortunately, that is far more complex and difficult to solve than just arresting people.
Im not convinced that
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 11:05am
Im not convinced that arresting the Johns answers any of these problems though
If prostitution is illegal (and it is)
By Anonymous
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 12:06pm
If prostitution is illegal (and it is) then isn't making a payment for sex every bit as illegal as taking it?
Som Of You Are Missing The Real Root Of Many Of The Problems
By Suldog
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:46pm
The root of many problems concerning prostitution is the illegality of it.
If made legal, it could be regulated. Mandated periodic medical exams would eliminate many of the health problems. The crime problems not inherent with the illegality of the act itself (pickpocketing, for instance) would dramatically decrease when the act took place at state-licensed brothels, rather than on the street. At the least, brothel owners could carry insurance to cover such thefts. In addition, the police would have more good officers to devote to other crime. The state could realize a profit from taxation.
The women themselves would not be subject to fear and harassment via pimps, and might have their profession covered by such normal perks as health insurance and retirement plans, among others. It will be much harder for those women with serious drug problems to enter the profession, thus saving both themselves and the johns from many hideous health concerns.
The johns, if they cared about such things, would no longer need to fear having their sordid behavior outed.
All in all, about the only objections remaining would be moral. Even many of those would be answered if the activity were not against the law.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
It is. Offering money (or
By TS
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:51pm
It is.
Offering money (or anything of value) in exchange for sex constitutes solicitation, which is a misdemeanor.
Legal Argument?
By Suldog
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 1:57pm
Could you say you were paying them for waste removal services? Of course, that would only be viable if you came.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
not a "victimless crime"
By david_yamada
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 5:26pm
GradStudent makes excellent points. I used to think that prostitution was basically a victimless crime, until I learned more about the backgrounds of many sex workers. A lot of sad and tragic stories.
So why arrest the victims of crime?
By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 6:32pm
If the prostitutes are victims, why would we want to victimize them further by arresting and prosecuting them?
Agreed
By david_yamada
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 8:28pm
But I'm not sure what the alternative should be. Licensing prostitution means, in effect, giving a stamp of societal approval to some of the very abuses that led these (mostly) women to that work. Keeping track of adult prostitution may give us some ability to fight trafficking of kids into sex slavery, but it's not a great trade-off.
At this point, I'd say we should de-criminalize prostitution, not license it, but offer counseling and transitional assistance to those who want out of the business.
This is a really difficult problem to figure out.
I think decriminalization is
By ShadyMilkMan
Wed, 02/18/2009 - 9:41pm
I think decriminalization is a temporary thing, there should be an end game. Is it illegal or not? I think we have to choose.
Sad And Tragic Stories
By Suldog
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 8:46am
David:
I would contend that there are a lot of sad and tragic stories among any specific field of workers, not just prostitutes. Might there be more among certain people in certain jobs? Of course. But, to contend that a profession, however tawdry or injurious it may seem at first glance, should be illegal because of the sad and tragic stories of some of the workers, is rather weak. Where does that leave the workers - however few you or others may contend there are - who are making good money and are not suffering unduly?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Suldog, absolutely
By david_yamada
Thu, 02/19/2009 - 9:39am
Horrific treatment of workers isn't limited to those engaging in prostitution.
But when it comes to prostitution, this isn't about some of the workers. I don't have studies in front of me to cite to you, but a significant proportion of sex workers come from abusive backgrounds and face significant risks from abusive customers. That includes many among the small number of "high end" call girls who may be making "good money."
I don't know of any other vocation whose practitioners are so linked by common backgrounds of dysfunction and abuse. I don't really care about what someone labels "tawdry" -- let's defer to others to define that -- this is about wrecked psyches and more.
That's why I believe that decriminalization along with availability of transitional assistance is probably (I say probably -- this is complicated) the best way to go.
As for workers in other fields who are treated like dirt, you're talking to the converted. I've been involved in workers' rights efforts for two decades, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
-David