The legend lives on
From the Governor on down
Of the vicious sea called Boston Harbor
Six hundred, they say
Tried commuting that day
But the voyage had never been harder
As T vehicles go
It was bigger than most
But safer than t'Orange Line, surely
But that tub and its crew
Was a bone to be chewed
When the fogs of late August came early
At 9:30 a.m.
The old cook came on deck
Saying, fellas, we're out of the muffins
And in five minutes more
Still on sight of the shore
The old boat had foundered on somethin'
In a musty old hall
Near Nantasket they prayed
That next Monday would be much less scary
But the legend lives on
From commuters on down
Of the Wreck of the MBTA Ferry
A ferry like Lightning ought to have more than eyeballs available to avoid a situation like this. My preliminary list of questions:
1) Was the fishing boat using AIS (they don't have to, but some do.)
2) Was the ferry monitoring their AIS?
3) Did the ferry have radar?
4) Was the ferry monitoring their radar?
5) Given the fog, was the ferry going to fast for conditions?
6) Was the ferry captain adequately aware of their position, should/could they have slowed down as well as turned? Turned in a different direction?
The T spokesperson should have stuck with a simple "the situation is under investigation."
Note: I'm an amateur sailboater. Take everything I say with more than a few grains of salt. (Sea salt if you like.)
Just because I'm curious, and perhaps a bit slow on the uptake sometimes, I'd like to know what you're implying here. Is there something I missed? Always happy to learn if others are willing to share.
There's a lot of Really Smart People on uhub that don't know shit but have plenty of snark. The terms 'sailboater' and 'motorboater' are used on occasion to discern the difference between those that sail serenely upon the sea (or lakes, whatever) and those that love horsepower. Think 'kayaker' and 'canoe-something'. 'Motorboater' also has a non-nautical meaning, but that's beyond the scope of this post.
I was actually once marooned on one of the Outer Brewsters. The alternator stopped alternating so had to call it in before the radio died, channel 16 to CG, non-emergency, so Sea Tow responded. They fly the international distress flag beloved of sea victims. Nice Boston Whaler, built to take a pounding with a large logo on the center console.
Dense fog and none of the passengers mention hearing the boats fog horn or hearing warning signal. Apparently It happened to quickly for captain to sound horn. In other words he was going too fast for conditions.
These ferry's are incredibly reckless. They operate at full speed in fog all the time and often are the ones ignoring the rules of the road. My money is on that they were going way to fast and the other boat didn't cut them off but entered the channel and saw the ferry coming at them at full speed.
of people publicly own-goaling themselves with their righteous indignation.
Which is to say: no, the ferry probably wasn't following the rules of the road. There's a pretty good reason for that, given how close the nearest road is.
The AIS will show exactly what happened. It looks like they went through the Nubble and took a left into the rocks. Was the radar on? How did they miss the alleged sport fishing vessel until the last second? Probably doing 35 knots in the fog.
I was out fishing this morning in the fog. At times the visibility was less than 200 feet. Of course that doesn’t slow down the ferries. They at 30-35 mph no matter what. These amateur “captains” who run the ferries are a hazard on a clear day. I’m glad nobody got hurt.
The headline of course is misleading as usual. Any excuse to use the term masshole. What is the equivalent term for someone from New York?
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Fateful trip.
Thankfully the mate was a mighty sailing man, the skipper brave and sure. If not for the courage of that fearless crew, the shuttle would be lost.
"...the shuttle would be lost!"
(lightning cracks)
I think their are
I think their are millionaires who ride that boat, probably a few professors too, not sure about movie stars though.
Maybe Marky Mark does
when he's in town trying to restore his Boston accent.
With apologies to Gordon Lightfoot
The legend lives on
From the Governor on down
Of the vicious sea called Boston Harbor
Six hundred, they say
Tried commuting that day
But the voyage had never been harder
As T vehicles go
It was bigger than most
But safer than t'Orange Line, surely
But that tub and its crew
Was a bone to be chewed
When the fogs of late August came early
At 9:30 a.m.
The old cook came on deck
Saying, fellas, we're out of the muffins
And in five minutes more
Still on sight of the shore
The old boat had foundered on somethin'
In a musty old hall
Near Nantasket they prayed
That next Monday would be much less scary
But the legend lives on
From commuters on down
Of the Wreck of the MBTA Ferry
This...
...deserves to be immortalized. Well played sir!
Speaking as a Gordon Lightfoot fan
I only have one word. Bravo!
Huge laughs
Thanks!!
This is GOLD!!!
This REALLY needs to be recorded... major kudos to you & your talent, sir!!
Too soon to fully blame the fishing boat
A ferry like Lightning ought to have more than eyeballs available to avoid a situation like this. My preliminary list of questions:
1) Was the fishing boat using AIS (they don't have to, but some do.)
2) Was the ferry monitoring their AIS?
3) Did the ferry have radar?
4) Was the ferry monitoring their radar?
5) Given the fog, was the ferry going to fast for conditions?
6) Was the ferry captain adequately aware of their position, should/could they have slowed down as well as turned? Turned in a different direction?
The T spokesperson should have stuck with a simple "the situation is under investigation."
Note: I'm an amateur sailboater. Take everything I say with more than a few grains of salt. (Sea salt if you like.)
Someone else is also
Someone else is also wondering about the circumstances...
Not my area of expertise but I wonder if they made an incorrect course change, and with the fog the error was not visually apparent.
"Sailboater"?
You certainly are.
Just because I'm curious, and
Just because I'm curious, and perhaps a bit slow on the uptake sometimes, I'd like to know what you're implying here. Is there something I missed? Always happy to learn if others are willing to share.
I’d like to know as well.
I’d like to know as well.
Stick to your guns, ii.
There's a lot of Really Smart People on uhub that don't know shit but have plenty of snark. The terms 'sailboater' and 'motorboater' are used on occasion to discern the difference between those that sail serenely upon the sea (or lakes, whatever) and those that love horsepower. Think 'kayaker' and 'canoe-something'. 'Motorboater' also has a non-nautical meaning, but that's beyond the scope of this post.
I was actually once marooned on one of the Outer Brewsters. The alternator stopped alternating so had to call it in before the radio died, channel 16 to CG, non-emergency, so Sea Tow responded. They fly the international distress flag beloved of sea victims. Nice Boston Whaler, built to take a pounding with a large logo on the center console.
Mastercard.
I think you mean
"sailor"
You missed some really important questions
Did the ferry wear a seatbelt or helmet?
Was the ferry completely covered in day-glo paint?
Was she sailing alone or with friends? Drinking? Wearing a miniskirt?
I know the rules of the road are tricky on the water, but overtaking vehicles do NOT have the right of way.
Rename MBTA Fast Ferry to "On The Rocks"
Dense fog and none of the passengers mention hearing the boats fog horn or hearing warning signal. Apparently It happened to quickly for captain to sound horn. In other words he was going too fast for conditions.
These ferry's are incredibly
These ferry's are incredibly reckless. They operate at full speed in fog all the time and often are the ones ignoring the rules of the road. My money is on that they were going way to fast and the other boat didn't cut them off but entered the channel and saw the ferry coming at them at full speed.
The smaller boat is more maneuverable
The boat in the channel has the right of way over boats entering the channel.
The maritime rules are clear, but to many powerboat jackasses don't think they apply to their fun.
In restricted visibility no
In restricted visibility no boat has the right of way over another. http://www.nepia.com/media/73259/Colregs-Rule-19-Restricted-Visibility.P...
I will never get tired
of people publicly own-goaling themselves with their righteous indignation.
Which is to say: no, the ferry probably wasn't following the rules of the road. There's a pretty good reason for that, given how close the nearest road is.
The term "rules of the road", although
normally associated with land-based vehicles, is commonly used to describe navigation requirements for boat traffic as well.
Actually, they were probably on the side of the road...
Call me Ishmael...
Or call me a water taxi if that's easier
I wasnt there but..
Running aground because another boat cut you off seems unusual. I'm sure the coast guard will figure it out.
The AIS will show exactly
The AIS will show exactly what happened. It looks like they went through the Nubble and took a left into the rocks. Was the radar on? How did they miss the alleged sport fishing vessel until the last second? Probably doing 35 knots in the fog.
If the ferry was in the channel
The boat crossing the channel is required to give way.
“If”
“If”
Does anyone miss the "Naut
Does anyone miss the "Naut Guilty"
https://www.universalhub.com/2015/wheels-justice-grind-slowly-unless-may...
I was out fishing this
I was out fishing this morning in the fog. At times the visibility was less than 200 feet. Of course that doesn’t slow down the ferries. They at 30-35 mph no matter what. These amateur “captains” who run the ferries are a hazard on a clear day. I’m glad nobody got hurt.
The headline of course is misleading as usual. Any excuse to use the term masshole. What is the equivalent term for someone from New York?
Amature?
I would think that would apply to the guy who crossed a channel without yielding to the ferry.
Amateur?
I'm guessing they pay the ferry captains.
T-Police
Will need a boat to investigate ferry accidents and rowdy passengers.
Perhaps they can tap the Red Line
Bear Patrol fund to pay for it.
If
If you're an island, you have to know that ferries are going to run into you.
Am I doing this right?
I think you mixed your memes,
I think you mixed your memes, not that there's anything wrong with that.
"Am I doing this right?"
Yes, but rest assured, the island always wins.