By adamg on Sat., 4/25/2020 - 4:34 pm
A roving UHub photographer captured the scene this afternoon. OK, no, we have no idea when these folks got their croquet set. On the one hand, it's almost charming, and we're hope the holes they left in the grass of the Public Garden did no permanent damage. On the other hand: Jesus, have you guys not seen the news for the last month?
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People playing croquet at
By anon
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 4:44pm
People playing croquet at Larz Anderson too. And have you seen the Pond today? People know this pandemic is totally blown out of proportions.
Either sarcasm,
By perruptor
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 5:11pm
or idiocy. Which?
BOTH!
By MrZip
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:51pm
Schrodinger's Douchebag.
p.s. don't drink Lysol or put any sort of UV light inside your body
So brave
By tblade
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 6:00pm
All the people who bravely claim that the pandemic is “blown out of proportion“ should apply to work/volunteer at a elderly care facility or a hospital to demonstrate how wrong the rest of us are.
When ER providers and geriatric care givers form a consensus that this is over blown, I will listen. But clowns like this ‘anon’ can pound sand.
Fresh News Outside of Athens
By ccmonokes
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 8:53pm
Average age of the dead in Massachusetts is 82. Majority rules, and the majority doesn’t give a fuck about your intellectual superiority. They are done with the ninny hysteria, and I’ve had DOCTORS tell me the same. Woodman’s in Essex had a 50-minute wait with two cops on site to keep people from socializing. The result? Gridlock through downtown. I have liberal friends and independent friends and conservative friends. The vast majority are calling bullshit—the, once again, majority of people dying are old or flat fat and unhealthy. Pop control. Thanks for your time.
And before we go there.....I think Donald is a child and wish the Dems had someone without dementia as their candidate.
Request that Adam block me please.
People like you are the
By ZachAndTired
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:00pm
People like you are the reason that the US has had the highest rate of infection and death in the world. Eat shit. That should be easy for you without a mask on.
Cloth masks not based on science?
By Adam S
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:00am
Has anyone seen any studies actually backing up the use of putting cloth masks on to prevent the spread of viruses? I ask this in seriousness as I can't find any except for one, below, showing they may actually do more harm than good. Also, wearing a cloth mask, bandanna or scarf without knowing how to leads to a lot of face touching to adjust what becomes a sweaty and heavily breathed-in damp cloth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
“8 in 10 Americans Support COVID-19 Shutdownâ€
By tblade
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:49pm
NPR from April 23, 2 days ago:
8 In 10 Americans Support COVID-19 Shutdown
Tell me more about this “majority rules†that you speak of...
Athens Part Deuce is WILD
By ccmonokes
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:13am
Peeps at the front, I wear a mask in stores for the sanity of humanity. I keep distant in public, blah blah blah. Once again, I am not a Trump loon, nor an elephant. I voted Dem 3/4 of the last two decades’ prez elections. However, (since we devolved into personal names) assface, NPR and their sources are measuring against what? I just had a Zoom with five Trump haters, and absolutely none of them think the hard-ass restrictions should be in place after May 15. ACTUALLY, they said their environmental movement raved about pop control until this happened. Now, EVERYONE matters.
I made my point because most on the ground are done. If you did your own LIVE research (I know, bad), you’d see that the NPR survey is good for about the people that would respond to a survey.
Loving the discourse, BTW.
Population control or genocide?
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:57am
LOL! Where did I call you any names?
TIRED: “Majority rules!â€
WIRED: “My five friends on Zoom said...â€
Keep lowering that bar.
But please tell us more about your population control eugenics where fat people, old people, and dying people are unworthy of doing our best to protect them.
Keep advocating for genocide. Fight that fight, hero.
I just had a Zoom with five
By ZachAndTired
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 4:26am
This might be a crazy suggestion, but maybe get your information about the current global pandemic from epidemiologists instead of 5 ecofascists on Zoom.
Clicking links is hard, apparently
By Ian
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 6:13am
If you had actually looked at the link above, you’d see the poll wasn’t actually conducted by NPR and the full methodology is described here:
https://www.kff.org/report-section/kff-health-trac...
I’d love to see your specific criticisms of these survey methods, which I’m sure you’ve done a lot of study on and aren’t just criticizing because it goes against what you want to believe.
Just like a Swiss watch
By Scratchie
Mon, 04/27/2020 - 9:23am
Nothing ensures that you're about to read a Republican talking point like this disclaimer...
PS:
[img]https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3A...
Good Lord...
By anon
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:50pm
1) Would you offer up your mother as sacrifice just because she’s old —and therefore unworthy —. so you don’t have to be inconvenienced any more ?
2) Gridlock in Essex? Is the traffic really messing up your daily plans?
3). It’s great that you have such a wide variety of friends — the only thing these people seem to have in common is their own lousy judgment in friends. Probably the same judgment in use by all these “DOCTORSâ€â€™you hang with.
Gee, thanks
By perruptor
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 6:43am
Thanks for volunteering me to die because I'm old. God forbid you might have to endure a traffic jam or some other huge inconvenience. I really am impressed by the opinions of all your anonymous doctors and Zoom friends. Since you don't care about who dies from this disease you're so careless about spreading, I have to assume you have no relatives at risk. You really are very special.
That's the positive spin on
By Vicki
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 8:35am
That's the positive spin on this person's angle: I wonder whether they stand to inherit anything if their older relatives die.
Death age
By SamWack
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 10:12am
Massachusetts statistics do not appear to give a good estimate of the fatality of Covid-19 by age; here people over 80 account for about 63% of deaths in confirmed Covid-19 cases, but that's not typical. My guess is that it's distorted because of the many hospitals in Boston, and because there have been several episodes out outbreaks in nursing homes. In NYC, which is probably a better laboratory, 48% of the deaths have been of people over 75. About another quarter are between 65 and 75, and a full 22% are between 45 and 65.
"Average age of death" is a misleading statistic, anyway. The death of one 900-year-old can throw the whole thing off.
Wow, a 900 year old person died?
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 10:31am
Or was that a tree?
More seriously, if the death rate for those under the age of 45 is so low, why don't we just let them go back to work if a) they have no known underlying conditions b) they can steer clear of the elderly and c) they feel comfortable doing so. This complete shutdown is increasingly looking unnecessary as we learn about the correlation of disease severity to age and health.
Two words: asymptomatic
By ZachAndTired
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 10:48am
Two words: asymptomatic carriers
I addressed that
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 11:37am
Next question
Uh, no.
By J.R. Dobbs
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:34pm
Actually you didn't address that at all.
In fact, you brushed right over it.
Letting a certain age group go back to work will just expose more people.
Unless you plan on separating all the old and sick folks onto a magical island somewhere your plan is bs.
And ur solution
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 1:29pm
Is destroy the economy. This can't go on much longer or the cure will be far worse than the disease.
You've said multiple times on
By ZachAndTired
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 1:39pm
You've said multiple times on here that you're a financial advisor. I wonder if you might have some sort of ulterior motive in pushing for the "economy to be opened back up"...
People not dying unnecessarily is a much higher priority than your stock portfolio. Sorry, asshole.
Actually
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 2:15pm
Absolutely nothing to do with that. Working with my clients this month, all are fine (not as fine as February, but fine). You can't predict, you can prepare and my clients were well prepared.
The people most at risk are not my clients and never will be. And the worst case if we keep this up might end up being people with pensions which I have no personal interest in. Cops, firefighters, union members who will likely never come to me with material assets to manage all have retirement income guaranteed mostly by stocks bonds and real estate. Ya wanna screw them? Hide in your house. Ya wanna thank them? Get her ass back to work. They have their lives on the line for you. Return the favor, as long as we don't spike the curve.
The economy is already ruined.
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 1:48pm
We’re already in a bad, bad place with the economy. The question is do we make the painful decision to buckle up and do it right the first time, or do we amplify this catastrophe by orders of magnitude by doing things half-assed and allow COVID to re-explode.
Imagine a second surge 2 months from now? The economic recovery clock gets set back to 0 and we’d require another 8-12 week quarantine. And there would be a total loss of faith in the public when another ‘all clear’ is sounded. This means you could open any business you want, but if the consumer confidence is eroded, no one is going to spend there. Not to mention the toll of a sick work force and many 10s of thousands of more people dead. You can work, you can’t provide for dependents, and you can’t spend money if you’re dead.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr...
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_i...
Have you read
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 2:16pm
A single word of what I wrote. Or are rambling uninformed screeds just your MO?
I have
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 2:32pm
You think that the lockdown is becoming increasingly unnecessary.
I disagree and I think it is too early to make such a judgement, And I feel that I have supported my arguments decently as far as comment sections go. If I am uninformed, I will let the substance of both of our arguments speak to that.
I hope you are correct and we can come back in a month and I have to eat crow! But I won’t bet my health on it.
It’s so we don’t re-spike the number of new infections
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 11:52am
The curve is not yet flat. And It’s not only about the death rates.
So maybe people under 45 die from COVID at a lower rate. But they still die and COVID deaths are preventable. The disease is very infectious, and People under 45 still spread COVID to their households, commerce/business networks, and social networks.
The idea behind flattening the curve is so that we all don’t get sick at once and overload the emergency medical system. Since we don’t have vaccines, and as much as we’ve discussed masks even proponents like me know they aren’t a magic bullet and they aren’t nearly as effective as physical distance and isolation.
The fact that total shutdown looks less than necessary is a good indication that the shut down is working.
A premature opening that causes a re-spike in infections that decimates the workforce, overloads our emergency care, and collapses consumer confidence and spending* is being talked about as worse than flattening the curve now and minimizing spread until testing and therapies are wide spread.
(*and this is all before we talk about deaths, preventable deaths, and acceptable demographics for death, which, to me is more compelling of a reason to stay shut.)
That's exactly my point
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:13pm
We are flattening the curve, not erasing it. If we can get a vaccine fast enough, we might prevent some deaths. But if the cost is turning the US into a third world country, it's not worth the price.
The economy will open in a sensible way in the next few weeks. I believe that should be a blend of age based return to work and limiting some businesses from reopening ( like movie theaters, restaurants etc). You are more likely than not to get infected by the time we get a vaccine. We need to get on with our lives and deal with that fact and stop hiding in our bedrooms and behind masks as long as, as you say, we don't overwhelm the hospital system.
I don't want the virus, but I'm a realist. It's going to find me. I have zero fear of that fully recognizing that it could kill me, especially given my age. Time to get back to work, sensibly.
Any of your friends doctors?
By J.R. Dobbs
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:37pm
Or just aging punk rockers angry at the world?
Friends
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 1:31pm
And family. It's not anger. Quite the opposite.
misanthropes
By Aging Punk Rocker
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 11:00pm
"I blame society."
Huh. I have a feeling there are a bunch of aging punk rockers who ARE doctors out there.
Sometimes being angry motivates.
Such as wearing a mask and learning more about vectors of transmission because of so-called assholes who don't.
I actually believe a lot of punk rockers do care. Many try to be kind to the world, if not to the powers that be, and try to have a light footprint.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of modern consumer culture that apply in the absence of aging punk rocker misanthropy.
Who remembers these guys claiming Obama had Death Panels?
By section77
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 4:19pm
When Obamacare was voted in all the guys who were hid in the basement of their high school until they were 18 freaked out. They claimed that there would be Death Panels who would decide that old people might as well die. The idea was that Doctors would decide that it just wasn't worth the money to try to give them medical care.
This of course caused confusement among the normal people. Who even thinks that way? These guys do. Here we are a few years later and those same guys are telling us that it's no big deal if the elderly die, and we can't afford to care about it. "Screw em, they are gonna die soon anyway." #Trumpdeathpanels
https://www.boston.com/news
By anon
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 8:48pm
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/23...
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2020/04/24...
Aside from the above, my wife is a nurse practitioner, and neither herself, nor any of the DOCTORS she works with think this is overblown. You should get new friends.
Your wish is my command
By adamg
Mon, 04/27/2020 - 10:36am
You want people to die? That's real nice.
Here you go:
By anon
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:50am
https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU
Marty Walsh needs to order
By anon
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 4:48pm
Marty Walsh needs to order anyone out in public to wear a mask. People are not complying with these “recommendations.â€
The requirement to wear a mask
By DotRat4Eva
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 6:41pm
While I’m taking a walk is absurd. Miasma has been thoroughly disproven.
Are you a doctor?
By tblade
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 7:44pm
Why don’t we let the epidemiologists and qualified public health professionals determine when wearing a mask is ‘absurd’ and when it is not?
I know they are recommending this
By Stevil
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 8:12pm
But can you point to known incidences of outdoor infection? Guessing it happens, but it appears most of the cases I've seen come from indoor exposure-trains, buses, subways, stores and restaurants. Maybe athletes in close contact. But I'm not hearing of any likely infections from walking down the street in a well ventilated environment.
The absence of evidence is
By jkarn
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 8:40pm
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. We know people can transmit the virus in close proximity to others, many are asymptomatic, and the sidewalks are too narrow to pass at a safe distance in a densely populated city. Masks are needed.
?
By anon
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 9:54pm
How would one know ??? I don’t think those infected are showing up at ERs with a time and place stamp on their foreheads.
“Guessing it happensâ€
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 3:14am
Is that the same as guessing it doesn’t happen?
I’d rather not guess.
Why there is so much opposition to erring on the side of caution with a deadly infectious disease on something as so mildly inconvenient as face coverings is beyond me. Worst case there is no mitigation.
So the government is guessing too
By Stevil
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 10:15pm
And that gives them the right to suspend the Constitution? Sorry, I'd literally rather be dead than live in a country where the government has that right. And this is coming from someone that has lived in multiple countries where the government has that right. . My right to move freely in public supercedes your or the government's right to dictate what I wear in public. If you don't want to get infected, stay home or prove to me that being outside walking by someone causes infection. Then check back in. And even then, just don't walk near someone without a mask if you are afraid of getting the rona.
Why not cooperate for the sake of your neighbors and friends?
By tblade
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 10:51pm
Jeez. Why does everything have to be some sort of anti-government “I’d rather die from ‘Rona than wear a mask!†extreme?
Hypothetical: if a homemade face covering captured 10 percent of COVID infected droplets from shedding from an infected person - perhaps an asymptomatic person - would best practice be to wear a face covering?
For me personally, I think the answer is yes. If I can protect my neighbors even a small percentage while I am at the grocery store, I feel it would be personally irresponsible not to.
My best understanding is that proper face covering does mitigate by 3-fold the droplets shed in flu sufferers and is an effective way to dampen transmission of those viruses. Multiply that by all people out in public, it becomes significant.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591312/
So hypothesizing that the government is “guessing†that masks dampen transmission is off the mark. The best evidence we have - while not “proving†anything with COVID - demonstrates that face coverings do mitigate respiratory virus spread. How is that bad?
The opposition to the appeal that we be good citizens and neighbors and work to minimize - however inconvenient and imperfectly - the risk to our community, elders, and friends is mind boggling. You’d think we’ve asked people give up their right to vote or something.
Personal choice is fine
By Stevil
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 11:09pm
Big difference from a government mandate.
Seatbelts.
By tblade
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 11:33pm
The government mandates seatbelt use for public safety. Life jacket laws. Motorcycle and bicycle helmet laws. Prohibitions on smoking at workplaces including restaurants.
These are all things that are regulated by local governments that were once opposed using the same “personal choiceâ€/“I thought this was a free countryâ€/“down with tyranny†arguments now used against evidence-based personal face covering guidances designed to protect our neighbors and friends from community spread.
Should cities or the Commonwealth mandate face covering, I would have the same sympathy for the arguments against the mandate as I do for people who oppose banning smoking at workplaces/restaurants and those who oppose seatbelt laws.
Those are privileges
By Stevil
Sat, 04/25/2020 - 11:43pm
Walking down the street and breathing are rights. Very slippery slope. Keep trying, but you are getting colder.
Right?
By tblade
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:24am
Walking down the street spewing aerosolized virus droplets and shedding COVID is a right? Interesting.
In a time when folks are losing their income, loved ones, lives, careers, among many other sacrifices - voluntary and involuntary - the “face coverings are slightly inconvenient and I can’t bothered to wear one, therefore I will pivot to a disingenuous civil liberties debate†is certainly a hot take.
The fact that we can’t count on the personal responsibility of our neighbors is the reason why people are advocating city and state government mandates.
Sorry
By Stevil
Sun, 04/26/2020 - 12:48am
Government doesn't have that right. Exercise some personal responsibility and stay away from people without masks and you'll have no problem. I have the right not to wear a mask and I promise not to get near you. Please return the favor and we'll all be fine with or without a mask.
Gotta go. Heading back into the office starting Monday and gotta rest up.
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