By adamg on Tue., 8/18/2020 - 10:22 am
Cambridge Police report that around 9:40 a.m., "there was a fatal motor vehicle crash involving a tractor-trailer and bicyclist" on Massachusetts Avenue at Dunster Street. Police are now investigating.
Police say the bicyclist, a man in his 50s, was pronounced dead at the scene. The truck driver remained at the scene, police say.
Last September, a pedestrian died while crossing the street near the T stop.
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You know absolutely nothing about Harvard Square
By Pete X
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 9:18am
Oh man. Have you been there, like, ever? In the before times it was packed with foot traffic all the time! There's no shortage of customers. The robber baron landlord(s) charges exhorbitant rates that constantly crowded businesses like Black Ink and Crema Cafe could not meet no matter what the prices they charged. They didn't close up because they didn't do huge business.
Also, you might not be aware having never been here, but there's a friggin highly trafficked T stop right in the middle of the square called "Harvard Square" constantly bringing new customers, not to mention all the parents, students, and foreign tourists wandering through the square.
The people driving through the square are mostly not stopping, a) because there's almost no where to park and b) they're mostly on their way somewhere else.
Also:
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I go there all the time
By myname
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 2:18pm
I go there all the time wiseguy and I drive because the red line is the END of the line and crazy inconvenient for those not starting on the red line. Plenty of places to park, you just walk a little.
Also, "no where" is one word.
You can't park your car in Harvard yard
By Pete X
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 2:58pm
A) If you "go there all the time," you know "plenty of places to park" in Harvard Square is just a lie you're spouting to try to salvage a completely wrong argument. Everyone knows this, there's even a saying about how hard it is. Don't be a troll.
B) Harvard Square is not the end of the line, that's just another dumb lie. I don't know even know what point you're trying to make here, but maybe you're not familiar with the T? Besides the fact that Alewife is the end of the line, there's many buses and shuttles that connect to Harvard Square station. It's one of the most public transport accessible places in the entire system. Also, it's TEN MINUTES from Park St. How the hell is that crazy inconvenient?!!
When did anyone ever sit and
By Rob
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 12:36pm
When did anyone ever sit and relax in DTX?
There's actually some really
By DrewD
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 1:39pm
There's actually some really nice places to sit and relax now! Near the T entrance in front of the Millennium tower and on a few neighboring roads. I used to enjoy taking outdoor lunches once in a while. Compared with DTX from a few decades ago, the place is wonderful.
And in front of the old Filene's
By lbb
Thu, 08/20/2020 - 8:55am
Those seats and tables get a lot of use
Try shopping at Roach Bro’s in DTX.
By Lee
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:46pm
It’s as busy and as profitable as Filenes Basement. More and more people actually live in or near DTX. Street life is as lively as ever. Even with Covid. I don’t think you’ve actually been there.
Walk through there all the
By myname
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 2:53pm
Walk through there all the time on the way to Chinatown and I never stop at the corp billboard stores. Sure the supermarket is nice but other than that how many sneaker stores do you need?
I like that Harvard Square still has some mom and pop retail stores. Maybe if you're so used to sucking from corp retailer teet you don't know any different? Sad.
Did I hit a nerve?
By Lee
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 4:45pm
?
Nah you're good bro. Your
By myname
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 5:06pm
Nah you're good bro. Your favorite store is the supermarket. I envy your simplicity in life. Some of us need a little more culture though.
Yup, the shopping culture there..
By Lee
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 5:24pm
... isn’t my cup of tea anymore. But the Jeweler’s Building still has fine craftspeople and the Old South Meeting House is always nice to visit.
The Opera House and Paramount will hopefully reopen. The bookstore on West Street hasn’t closed for good. I’m told The Tremont Tea Room and it’s fortune tellers still exist somewhere on an upper floor. The steps above the T stop are great for people watching and hearing good music.
Chinatown seems to be the last holdout for small business. I’m sorry to see New Saigon Sandwich shut it’s door.
Where do buses go?
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:32pm
They are large motor vehicles, too.
And before you mention the obvious, no, squeezing all the buses into the ancient, non-ADA compliant* Harvard busway is not an option. Besides adding much more time to routes like the 68 and 69, it's also important to note that CNG buses, which often run on the 1 and 66, cannot go into the tunnel for safety reasons. No, they can't be replaced fully with diesel-electric hybrids -- CNG buses have much lower emissions, and it would be an environmental injustice to explicitly send diesels to Nubian Sq.
*At least not for the lower busway, where the platform is on the left side of the bus.
So keep a bus only lane
By anon
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 11:21am
So why not keep 10' in each direction for buses and emergency vehicles? Folks will meander into that pavement now and again -- the bus will have to drive at 5-10 mph for a half-dozen blocks. But that's not remarkably slower than their pace now, so what's the problem exactly?
The problem is Harvard Square
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 6:39pm
The problem is Harvard Square is the original commercial center of the area, so all the through roads funnel through it. The only alternative is zig-zagging through tiny residential streets.
How would anyone drive from Belmont to Kendall, or Brookline to Porter, without passing through the center of Harvard Square?
You would pass through Inman and Central
By GoSoxGo
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 4:55pm
Squares, avoiding Harvard Square altogether.
I suppose you could detour
By anon
Fri, 08/28/2020 - 12:01pm
I suppose you could detour Brookline to Porter traffic through Central, if you want to waste everyone's time, and unload Harvard's traffic problem onto residents of Central.
Belmont to Kendall can't go through Central or Inman without first going through Harvard.
Belmont to Kendall
By jmeltzer
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 6:16pm
is Rt 2 to Memorial Drive.
Okay, Memorial Drive is about a quarter mile from Harvard Square. But it isn't "the center".
Ok. I guess I was thinking of
By anon
Fri, 08/28/2020 - 12:03pm
Ok. I guess I was thinking of trucks, because of the incident which started this discussion. Trucks aren't allowed on Mem Drive. And plenty of people would like to close Mem Drive to all motor vehicles, as it now is on Saturdays in addition to Sundays.
Pedestrianize Harvard sq
By Maria Cammarata
Wed, 08/26/2020 - 7:08am
First of all I have seen A lot of bikes cutting across traffic and A lot of reckless bikers. People have a right to drive to work. And people who live their have a right to have a car! I say put restrict the hours on these big trucks to early morning like 5 am and late at night say 11 pm
Scary. Be safe cyclists and
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 10:32am
Scary. Be safe cyclists and pedestrians.
Addendum
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:16pm
Motorists and truck drivers please learn to drive safely or get off the road.
Addendum
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 2:04pm
Pedal mashers, please realize that tractor trailers have blind spots the size of Texas, and that you're not visible for hundreds of light years in every direction and you're most definitely not made out of pure indestructible adamantium. Blowing past one of the right at a busy intersection is like knowingly and willingly playing Russian roulette with a pistol.
is this bait, troll?
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 12:58pm
Technology can eliminate blind spots for tractor trailers. If you can't control your vehicle safely then you are not qualified to drive that vehicle.
Addendum
By lbb
Thu, 08/20/2020 - 8:57am
Don't blame "pedal mashers" (cool sobriquet there, pops) when tractor trailers, which have greatly increased in size over the years, are allowed in an area where the infrastructure is not suited to them and where they should simply not be allowed.
That’s it?
By Lee
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:47pm
No message for drivers?
Your virtue signaling does me no good.
Sometimes it's about the
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 2:48pm
Sometimes it's about the victim... is that okay with you, Lee?
Harvard Square right now
By BostonDog
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 10:54am
They are doing construction in Harvard Square and have closed a lane in each direction. On JFK street the parking lane is closed for restaurant seating too so there's no buffer for cyclists should a passing car/truck drift toward them.
The whole place is a mess. I ride through most days and have seen some sketchy things as the construction equipment creeps out into the road and people abruptly cut into other lanes.
Is there some sort of Covid
By JJ3
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 3:22pm
Is there some sort of Covid-related suspension of the rules related to police details for construction work? I'm not in favor of requiring police detail but I've been surprised to see some pretty dangerous-looking worksites recently without one in sight. (I don't think we should be paying cop prices to have someone to make sure passersby don't get their head bonked in but I definitely think someone should be doing that!)
I'm not a fan of police details
By BostonDog
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 3:36pm
But I have noticed a surprising lack of cops around the construction zone.
It looks like the collision happened on the other side of the square where Mass Ave outbound rejoins Mass Ave inbound. (Between Out of Town News and Harvard Yard.) So this collision is probably unrelated to the construction zone.
Bikers
By Bugs Bunny
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 11:56am
When I’m out on my zero speed bike in the city, I’ve never had issues with vehicles. I don’t bike like I’m doing the Tour de France so I can brake if a vehicle comes close to me. I think bikers need to slow down.
Any indication...
By lbb
Thu, 08/20/2020 - 8:57am
...that speed was a factor here?
Pedestrianize or don't pedestrianize
By Scratchie
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:39pm
But there's no reason for a tractor-trailer to drive through Harvard Square. Transfer that shit to a smaller truck (or van).
Sure there is
By Kaz
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 2:30pm
Mass Ave is State Highway 2A. It's not Craigie St. It has all the necessary dimensions to carry tractor trailers. That's what highways are for.
But it goes right through Harvard Square. This is a HUGE conflict because Harvard Square is largely pedestrian-sized. It ends up not being a good fit for pedestrians, the highway, bikes, or anyone.
The bike "lane" if you want to stay on Mass Ave going west requires you to CROSS both lanes of Mass Ave (in only a few hundred feet!), then actually goes up onto the sidewalk across the park because there's no good way to fit bikes with all the lane splits...then you have to hit the right light cycle to cross 4 more lanes of traffic to keep going on Mass Ave!
Because of the way the lanes split everywhere, pedestrians are almost invited to ignore the signals because it's only 1-2 lanes of one-way traffic unlike crossing the highway...er, Mass Ave in like Central Square where it's 4-5 lanes wide.
Cars and trucks have multiple red lights, merges, splits, and highway signs while dodging pedestrians and cyclists who may or may not be following their own signals. The Broadway/Mass Ave split is the best...as a lane just forms out of nowhere (no markings as to whether it split from the left or right lane)...it has no markings to designate if it's meant for Mass Ave or Broadway...and then it just splits in half again and goes to both. One of which has a 14' height restriction as you go under Harvard Yard...and the first sign for it is 100 ft before the tunnel AFTER the split.
The whole thing needs a total redesign...but then you're fighting the fact that they can't/won't touch the Common, Harvard Yard, and still have to accommodate the bus ramp for the MBTA station. In fact, they can't even bury most of it in a tunnel because of the MBTA station directly below it all. So, you want to stop trucks from being there? Don't keep it as a highway, but then your only choice after that is going to be to make a bunch of dead-ends, because the entire thing is a minefield of past choices.
Mass Ave is State Highway 2A.
By Scratchie
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 4:03pm
State highway designations can be re-routed.
My point exactly.
You're making my point for me. Or is your point that motor vehicle traffic always has to take precedence over pedestrian or bicycle traffic when there's a conflict?
Where would you reroute
By anon
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 6:37pm
Where would you reroute through traffic to?
The only east-west alternative is Memorial Drive, where everyone certainly doesn't want trucks, and cars can't use it on weekends. Or Garden Street through the underpass to Cambridge Street/Broadway, but that doesn't help if you need to get to Mount Auburn Street west to Watertown, or Mass Ave to Central Square.
North-south there is no alternative.
He made his points quite well
By SamWack
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 6:56pm
and didn't need your help reconstructing them. He didn't say any of the things you tried to make him say. He did face up to the many difficulties with the situation, which apparently put his argument beyond your understanding.
I don't understand why police are investigating...
By uhub-fan
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:46pm
...when they could just check in with the folks here at U-Hub. Any time there's a accident involving a cyclist everyone here knows exactly who is at fault, without needing even a single detail.
statistically trucks are at fault
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 08/19/2020 - 1:01pm
If you look at crash data, you would agree.
Convert Harvard square to a
By RC
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 1:54pm
Convert Harvard square to a wetland sanctuary. No pedestrians, no bikes, no autos. That way no one can get hurt.
If you read the Globe article...
By Charles Bahne
Tue, 08/18/2020 - 9:48pm
The bicyclist saw some acquaintances (including his niece) on the sidewalk across the street from where he was riding. He had been in the bike lane, but swerved across the traffic lanes to visit with his friends and relatives.
While there is a lot of construction in other parts of the square, as well as lane narrowings for restaurants, neither of those has really had any impact on the area where this unfortunate crash occurred. It was between the subway station and the old newsstand on one side, and Harvard Yard across the street.
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