Quincy today sued the state in an effort to overturn its approval of Boston's plans to rebuild the Long Island Bridge, saying the state should hold all new hearings that would prove Quincy's assertions the new bridge would prove as unsafe as the one torn down in 2015, that it would become useless as sea levels rise and that the road leading to the bridge on Moon Island is itself in imminent danger of collapse.
In its suit, filed in Suffolk Superior Court, the City of Presidents alleges the Hub's plan to simply shore up most of the concrete "piers" that held up the old bridge, and only replace a couple of them is pretty damn stupid given that they're all in pretty said shape thanks to the harsh conditions of Boston Harbor, and that the method proposed by Boston to repair the piers is stupid and will by default likely lead to the bridge failing again, and Quincy really doesn't want to become that city that goes "We told you so."
In addition to new hearings, Quincy also wants authorization to conduct its own detailed inspections of the piers to prove its assertions.
Boston shut the original bridge, built in 1951, in 2015, forcing the closure of the substance-abuse and homeless programs on Long Island. Boston then had contractors tear down the roadway - but leave the supports in place for eventual construction of a new bridge. Although Long Island belongs to Boston, the road leading to the bridge goes through Quincy's Squantum neighborhood, and Quincy has been fighting since 2015 to block and restoration of the bridge.
In its complaint, Quincy does not talk about why Boston wants to re-build the bridge - to create a regional substance-abuse campus - but instead on the hows.
Quincy says Boston's decision to use "limpets," essentially waterproof boxes strapped around the piers to allow workers to fill cracks and the like, sucks because these structures won't let workers get down below the bottom of the harbor and find and repair the really serious problems Quincy is sure are there.
Instead, Quincy wants Boston to use "cofferdams," which would completely surround each pier and provide a larger dry area in which workers could dig below the harbor bottom and repair major issues with the piers. Quincy acknowledges Boston's assertion that this method would have greater potential environmental impact, which might require closer scrutiny of the work by environmental regulators, but Quincy isn't the one who wants to re-open the bridge.
Quincy also says the Moon Island road that leads to the bridge is itself in bad shape - and sits atop an abandoned 19th-centure sewer - and charges Boston has yet to say how it's going to deal with this issue.
Quincy says it tried to bring all of this up in a hearing before the Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection, but that a hearing officer there improperly waved off its concerns and overrode a Quincy Conservation Commission order blocking the bridge replacement. On March 31, DEP Commissioner Martin Suuberg approved the hearing officer's recommendation, which Quincy now asks a judge to overturn.
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Shipping off to Quincy
By anon
Fri, 04/30/2021 - 5:41pm
The residents off the methadone mile should be given a cash incentive and a free ticket to travel south on the red line to Quincy center where they could set up a tent city on the plaza in Quincy square.
Apparently you have never
By g
Fri, 04/30/2021 - 6:29pm
Apparently you have never been to Quincy.
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If you had been to Quincy you could note that there is a regularly a large contingent of homeless in just that area you mention. Also along Hancock St, McGrath Hwy, Washington St and Southern Artery down by Father Bill's.
Many are involved with the numerous drug and alcohol treatment programs in the area.
I got panhandled outside the
By anon_wd
Fri, 04/30/2021 - 7:09pm
I got panhandled outside the 7-11 on Hancock in NQ at 10 am on a Wednesday a few weeks back- which sort of surprised me- guy seemed to initially want to blend in w/ the construction workers who'd filled the lot there
Ok, one more time
By anon
Fri, 04/30/2021 - 8:48pm
Any USCG licensed captain cannot allow passengers under the influence of drugs onboard their vessel. So cut the shit about ferries.
Booze Cruise
By anon
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 7:38am
There are more drunk and druggie passengers on a booze cruise than on a ferry of homeless souls to Long Island.
Alcohol is served on ferries all the time
By Ron Newman
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 8:38am
presumably with USCG approval. How is this any different?
Alcohol Is Licensed And Comes From A Controlled Source
By John Costello
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 9:03am
Smack isn't.
Please don't equate two Notches drank on a boat with white pony.
Americans with Disabilities Act
By g
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 9:23am
https://www.transit.dot.gov/regulations-and-guidan...
Time to stop making stuff up.
Your postings are starting to reek of desperation.
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Look up maritime law, not ADA
By Lmo
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 9:35am
Look up maritime law, not ADA.
Post a link if you have one.
By g
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 10:06am
Post a link if you have one. Otherwise its just more bs.
You can do your own homework.
By Lmo
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 10:30am
You can do your own homework.
"You can do your own homework
By g
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 11:06am
"You can do your own homework."
Funny, I did research this and found nothing to preclude the use of a ferry to transport medical patients in maritime law or elsewhere, to Long Island on a ferry. See my post referencing the Americans with Disability Act.
Perhaps since you made this assertion you could take the opportunity to present evidence if it exists.
There is zero tolerance for
By Lmo
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 11:48am
There is zero tolerance for illegal drugs onboard vessels. It’s a nice day, go to Rowes wharf and hop on a cruise, there are signs posted you can read yourself.
If they could ferry dug adficts
By anon
Sun, 05/02/2021 - 9:02am
It would’ve happened by now. People are pigheaded.
"ferry dug adficts"
By g
Sun, 05/02/2021 - 3:56pm
"ferry dug adficts"
Not bad for 9:02 on a Sunday morn.
Now don't drive, operate heavy machinery, or post anything else incriminating on the internet.
Are you joking? Have you ever
By Lmo
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 9:27am
Are you joking? Have you ever seen a person under the influence of opioids?
Drugs
By anon
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 8:30pm
not alcohol. Last I checked there are no crack cruises in Boston Harbor but there are booze cruises.
Long Island
By plt3012
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 8:37am
I think the real fear isn't so much the detox and it's related problems. Instead it's the real possibility that Long Island will be developed into some kind of resort.
It has fantastic views of everything from the Boston skyline to the harbor and surrounding towns.
There is no way this will be a treatment center for people with substance abuse problems for a very long time. I think what would happen is it will be up and running for a few years, then some deep pocketed group will approach the city and offer to build a facility to treat the unfortunates in another locale.
Count on it.
My thoughts too
By Cleary Squared
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 9:25pm
I think a proposed goal for Long Island was to become a Boston version of the Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard/Nantucket, where developers can tear down the old treatment center and put up upscale/chic/posh apartments, restaurants, retail shops, and other amenities so the elite have an exclusive getaway destination without having to plod down MA 3 in their luxury cars to the Cape.
If Boston agreed to share the tax revenue from the newly gentrified Long Island, only then would Quincy allow a bridge to be built, since the "right" people are going over it. I could see both cities impose steep tolls similar to the Confederation Bridge linking New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island (C$48.50 one way, coming back from PEI).
This is what Quincy is fighting to avoid
By g
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 12:11pm
"I think the whole goal for Long Island is to become a Boston version of the Hamptons or Martha's Vineyard/Nantucket"
"Only then would Quincy allow a bridge to be built"
This is what Quincy is fighting to avoid.
This Was Not What Quincy Was Fighting to Avoid
By Pete X
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 2:28pm
*Ron Howard voice*
Interesting
By Waquiot
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 5:05pm
Throughout the nineties and aughts, I never heard anything like that from Quincy officials as the obstructed Menino’s plans.
Yeah, why go to the beautiful
By Lmo
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 8:34pm
Yeah, why go to the beautiful beaches down the Cape when you can enjoy the rocks and mud, while looking at the sewage treatment plan. A move to ban development on Long Island needs to happen, it should be rezoned. There should be the treatment facilities and BHI park land.
Ferries: Cheap and easily implimented
By Gary C
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 10:54am
All the people who say, "It can't be done" cite possible and what if scenarios about why it won't work. I can tell you right now that this bridge isn't happening in the next 5 years. Let's just set up the ferries and in a decade when the bridge is done, we can discontinue the boats.
Why not both?
By Ron Newman
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 11:23am
Even if a bridge is rebuilt from Quincy, a ferry will still be the best way to get to Long Island from downtown Boston. It would be a pleasant addition to the existing Hull, Hingham, Georges Island, and Spectacle Island boats.
You're all a bunch of NIMBYs
By CuteUsername
Sat, 05/01/2021 - 12:46pm
The degree to which this is a conflict between people in Boston who don't want to have to look at homeless people on the Methadone Mile and people in Quincy who don't want to deal with traffic in Squantum is extremely stupid. Everyone is being selfish. There is a complex on Long Island that has been used to provide services for the homeless and could be used again to provide services for the homeless if they built a new bridge, so that would be good. If you also built a bunch of homeless shelters on Northampton Street that would also be good. If you also want to build a bunch of market-rate housing on Long Island that would also be good: increase the overall housing market. Even if it's expensive housing, if rich people move into there they aren't moving into preexisting property. The focus shouldn't be on what personally inconveniences you.
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