By adamg on Tue., 7/13/2021 - 7:18 pm
Never mind Pope Francis has urged his flock to get Covid-19 shots, that, in fact, he calls people who refuse them sufferers of "suicidal denialism." Associated Press reports parents of some Boston College student are rending their garments over the way the Jesuit-run school is refusing to grant their children religious exemptions.
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Yeah
By BostonDog
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 9:18pm
If she thinks BC sucks so much, why would she even want to attend the school in the first place?
For that vaunted degree...
By lbb
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 9:14am
...the MRS.
Adam, Language: It is "rend", not "rent" your garments
By weco309
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 9:00pm
Adam, Language It is "rend", not "rent" your garments
Auto-correct may have inserted it for you.
In fact, a passage from the prophet Joel (Joel 2:13), "Rend your hearts, not your garments" is used in the Epistle readings on Ash Wendnesday, to admonish the faithful to go beyond the outward signs of reform, and to change their very hearts.
Otherwise, a great post.
Yep
By adamg
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 10:00pm
And there were lamentations as well. Fixed, thanks.
Are we going to see Catholic
By Matt Frank
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 9:29pm
Are we going to see Catholic school students sue a Catholic School for discrimination against Catholics?
Or try to sue the Pope...
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 10:02pm
... for not being Catholic enough (in their eyes, at least)?
As a gay Catholic, I was
By Matt Frank
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 6:51am
As a gay Catholic, I was Baptized and Confirmed and never renounced so I think I'm still in the books, I was rather miffed when after years of hearing about Papal infallibity that all of a sudden when the new guy says something not so nasty about people like me the American Bishops are like "well that's just one guys opinion."
You didn't study the religion well
By Waquiot
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:42pm
The Pope is only infallible in certain cases.
That said, though I've perhaps not agreed with everything that any Pope has said, technically, they are the boss of the Church, so when the Pontiff pontificates on whether or not to get vaccinated, things like Catholic universities are going to take note.
I am also infallible
By SamWack
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 4:33pm
occasionally, though not very often, and unfortunately never at the track.
They'll just come back with
By Refugee
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:56am
They'll just come back with doctor's note. You can get around any requirement with a note from your doctor.
Uh. Wow.
By eeka
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 1:16pm
Found the person who doesn't actually have experience requesting accommodations.
Not a surprise
By anon
Tue, 07/13/2021 - 10:02pm
Accoring to AP,
https://apnews.com/article/votecast-trump-wins-whi...
Not a surprise that some BC parents and students are anti covid vax.
It's all part...
By lbb
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 9:16am
...of the Southern Strategy, which had reach far beyond the South. These are people who were looked down on by the old Republican Party but formed the backbone of the Southern Strategy.
Sadly that 50 percent Trump support overall...
By Michael Kerpan
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:45pm
... almost surely means that a huge majority of my fellow white Catholics supported Trump.
I had COVID
By Scauma
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 9:42am
A couple of things, if I hadn’t had it, I would get the vaccine. COVID sucks, big time. I’m young-ish, been in good health (thankfully) my whole life and it put me down for ten days. I would say to anyone who hasn’t had it, get vaccinated. However as someone who had it and recovered, I’m choosing to pass on the vaccine. Not sure why I HAVE to believe the vaccine is better than natural anti-bodies, but I don’t. mRNA has been around for awhile and has immense potential going forward. But it is still new and these vaccines were developed very quickly and we are still hearing about new warnings. So again, I encourage anyone who hasn’t had it to get vaccinated. But I also encourage those who have been vaccinated not to chastise those who choose not to for whatever reason they do.
People who already had Covid should still get a vaccine
By Ron Newman
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:04am
No medical authority agrees with you on this.
You are right
By Scauma
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 11:03am
I still feel the way I feel. I’m not encouraging anyone else to feel the way I feel. I just don’t think it’s fair to chastise people who have legitimate questions or concerns. I’ve encouraged my grandparents to get it, which they did. I encouraged anyone who hasn’t had COVID to get it as well. I encourage people to review the VARES site and read for themselves. Again, I’m not anti vaccine but I am an adult who can think for themselves and decide what is best for ME.
But...you don't
By fungwah
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 11:10am
Again, every single medical authority (i.e. the people who have actual expertise and have studied this) say that you should still get the vaccine. You haven't provided any legitimate questions or concerns to override that recommendation.
So medical experts have never been wrong?
By Scauma
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:16pm
Maybe I am naive and these experts are perfect and are getting everything exactly right, which I certainly hope for, but as a person who had it, and therefore should have some sort of natural antibody, I’ll give it a little more time before rushing to it.
Perfection is not an achievable condition
By brianjdamico
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:23pm
If "perfect' and "never been wrong" were qualifications for anything in life, we'd all be screwed.
We are talking about well trained, career public health professionals, who have been entrusted to make informed decisions based on evidence collected through sound, scientific methodologies.
Can you explain what you're waiting for?
By fungwah
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:41pm
Seems to me that any future development about these vaccines, no matter what it is, is going to be discovered and announced by...these same experts. So if you don't trust them now, what exactly is going to change in "a little more time" that would suddenly make them worth listening to at that point?
How do you know this? Are you doing your own bloodwork and medical examinations? Seems like at some point you were pretty willing to trust experts saying that you had COVID and therefore had natural antibodies. So what's the issue with listening to them now that they're saying "but those natural antibodies aren't as effective and don't last as long as the vaccine, so please get vaccinated"?
Any immunization one may get from the Covid-19 virus itself:
By mplo
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 1:02pm
Any immunization that one may get from the Covid-19 virus/infection itself does not last any longer than 8 months at the most. It really is best to get the vaccine. There are many walk-in clinics, in which an appointment is not necessary. Many Targets, CVS's, and other places are having these clinics.
What's that rumbling sound?
By lbb
Thu, 07/15/2021 - 9:55am
What's that rumbling sound? Why, it's moving goalposts!
Every day of your life, you choose medical and other solutions that are not perfect and not infallible. Why, suddenly, are you using lack of infallibility as your reason for refusing a course of action that all available evidence indicates is helpful and not harmful? Particularly when the evidence is that your alternative course of action will not result in long-term protection?
So much wrong
By tblade
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:44am
Why turn down a free booster in the time of Delta variant? Also, you could talk to your doctor and allow her or him to explain why a booster is beneficial with those with natural immunity instead of relying on internet commenters to break it down.
Wrong. a.) The mRNA vaccines are based on 20+ years of research. Neither quick nor new. The trials were rigorous and ethical. And b.) Johnson + Johnson is not mRNA if you are so concerned.
I encourage anti-vaxxers, for whatever reason they are anti-vax, to shut up, stop crying victimhood, and stop spreading false information. I respect your right to have an opinion, but I am not required to respect the opinion.
Hmmm
By Scauma
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:57am
Interesting your take away is I’m anti-vaccine when the first thing I said is I would get it. It’s not worth going back and forth point by point but we do not know any potential long term effects. Also it sounds like the Epsilon variant is more dangerous than the Delta variant and also more resistant to our current vaccines. Obviously I’m not an expert but I’m also not just getting information from Facebook or wherever. To be clear, I’m not anti-vaccine, I’m just cautious against these new ones. And I acknowledged mRNA has been around for awhile, I even read the actual paper and acknowledged it has immense potential in the future. So let’s be clear and honest in our debate.
Rhetorical games
By tblade
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 11:14am
This is classic anti-vax propaganda. Everything else you write is a rhetorical game you play in an attempt to inoculate yourself from criticism.
It’s great that you feel you don’t need the vax despite what most PCPs and epidemiologists would tell you. You do you.
But don’t expect to regurgitate anti-vax greatest hits without it being called out.
Umm
By Scauma
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:23pm
I mean I think people who are anti vaccine generally encourage others to be anti vaccine as well. Not sure how else to say it, I highly encourage anyone who hasn’t had COVID to get the vaccine. I was not hospitalized for it however I don’t wish what I experienced on anyone.
I guess the difference in our opinion is I don’t think of it as a one approach fits everyone kind of issue. If you’re among the groups who have been identified at higher risk, you absolutely should get it as soon as it was available to you. If you’re a high schooler or college student, it’s probably less of a pressing issue for you. And the experts agree on that as well.
Unless
By tblade
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:38pm
Unless your school requires it if you. Then it becomes a pressing issue.
The experts
By fungwah
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:42pm
all agree that high schoolers and college students should be vaccinated as soon as possible. If the supply is there, there's literally no reason for them to wait.
OR
By Rob O
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 12:52pm
If you are a person with any moral conscience, you should get a vaccine to reduce the likelihood that you contribute to the spread of a potentially fatal virus, regardless of your personal risk of death or serious illness from Covid-19.
And the experts agree on this as well.
Also,
By mplo
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 1:04pm
nearly 100% of the deaths from Covid-19 occur among people who are unvaccinated! That's an awful lot!
Don't count on it
By lbb
Thu, 07/15/2021 - 10:01am
That could change in a hurry as variants evolve, encouraged by a fertile pool of unvaccinated high schoolers and college students if you had your way. Don't be a plague vector. Get vaccinated. It isn't all about you, it is a PUBLIC health issue.
"But I also encourage those
By anon
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:37am
"But I also encourage those who have been vaccinated not to chastise those who choose not to for whatever reason they do."
That might be reasonable if the disease wasn't CONTAGIOUS. We live in a society where our actions affect others. It's not just your own health that is impacted by this decision.
So what's a big deal? Only
By Notfromboston
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 10:52am
So what's a big deal? Only 70% of Massachusetts population will ever be vaccinated (maybe slightly more in Newton) so if about 20% of students get an exemption, BC is still ahead of the game. With staff mostly vaccinated, going to BC will be as safe as grocery shopping. Now what is concerning is the percentage of non-MD healthcare workers who refused to be vaccinated.
What’s the big deal?
By tblade
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 11:16am
Don’t want the vax? University of Phoenix and Souther New Hampshire U are almost entirely online. Enroll there.
The bottomless pit of religious exemptions
By SamWack
Wed, 07/14/2021 - 5:28pm
There are two reasons why religious exemptions are bad policy and bad law. One is that they institutionalize a preference for religion versus irreligion, which is of course objectionable to irreligious people like me. Politicians, including Supreme Court Justices, who favor religious exemptions, are quite happy with this particular iniquity. The other reason, however, should give them pause. This case illustrates it well.
Religious exemptions from general laws should be anathema to the religious, because they grant the Government the authority to decide what constitutes a legitimate religious belief. Is it the Government’s job to decide whether the asserted religious doctrines of a peyote-using Native American group are authentic, or whether a cake-maker’s desire to discriminate against same-sex couples can properly be inferred from the doctrines of a church to which he belongs? Is there any limit to the crimes that cease to be such if they are religiously motivated? Shall courts decide the legitimacy of sects, or the sincerity of believers? Will a Massachusetts judge decide a dispute between the Pope and certain members of his church on matters of Catholic doctrine?
The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The courts, in particular the Supreme Court, have apparently decided that what Congress cannot do, they can do, establishing religion by allowing exemptions from the laws, and prohibiting its free practice by denying them.
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