Gov. Baker and MBTA General Manager Steve Poftak announced today that Orange Line service will end at 9 p.m. on Friday, Aug. 19 and will return at 5 a.m. on Sept. 19 with the elimination of slow zones, better signal systems, an almost entirely new fleet of cars and "deep cleaned" stations.
Poftak called today's announcement part of "a momentous day" for Orange Line riders, who will see a transformation from a wheezing system with cars that catch on fire into one that can zip them quickly to and from downtown Boston. He added a fix is in place for the exploding-battery issue on the new cars.
What isn't in place, however, is a plan to get all the shuttle buses the T plans to have on the road - up to 160 an hour at peak times - through already clogged streets. Poftak said he's talking to the city of Boston on possible ways to speed shuttle buses up along Boston roads, but had no details, although he acknowledged that "pop-up bus lanes" are possibilities. Part of the discussions will include figuring out what to do about BPS students who have to take the T to school, he said.
Track will be replaced in slow zones, concentrating on areas where trains now shriek their way slowly due to poor track conditions, in particular near Jackson Square, Back Bay, Tufts and Haymarket, he said. He said that once the work is done and regular service has resumed for several days, trains will be able to bound through those stretches at 25 m.p.h. rather than the current restricted 10 m.p.h. Old signals and switches will also be replaced.
Poftak said that by shutting down the entire line for 30 days, the T could get work - which was already being planned anyway - done that would otherwise take five years of weekend and overnight work.
In addition to shuttle buses along the route, Poftak said people can also use their CharlieCards on commuter rail from Zone 1, 1A and 2 stations on the Haverhill, Providence and Needham lines. Baker recalled that riders switching to commuter rail worked really well when that Red Line train derailed at JFK/UMass and took out all those signals.
But also, Poftak said, if you can work at home, work at home.
In addition to the bus contract, Poftak said the T already has contractors ready to jump onto the tracks, alongside the T's own maintenance-of-way workers. "We wouldn't close it down for 30 days unless we had contracts in place." He added that the schedule of work has "float" built in to allow for any unexpected delays. Recent, shorter repair projects on the Blue Line and Red Line had problems after repair equipment derailed, most recently on Monday into Tuesday.
Officials added the Federal Transit Administration, which issued a series of "safety directives" about critical T failings, has signed off on the work.
"Oh, God, yeah, we wouldn't do this without the FTA's permission," Baker said.
Poftak added he does not foresee the need for complete shutdowns of any of the T's other three lines, although he said officials are looking at a possible shutdown of part of the Green Line - in addition to the current E Line shutdown.
Baker acknowledge more work needs to be done on the T, but credited himself and his administration for getting the T into a better position, after decades of it being underfunded by previous governors. He said the T's backlog of unfunded capital projects has shrunk from $12 billion to $6 billion and that even with its superannuated cars and tracks, on-time performance now is better than when he took office.
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I am also curious about this,
By boo_urns
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 4:13pm
Because your fellow colleague in TransitMatters doesn't seem to share the same sentiments as you based on this thread:
https://twitter.com/datadyne007/status/15548841287...
Sorry not sure how to make these embed in comments here.
Is the 25mph thing directly
By anon
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 9:17pm
Is the 25mph thing directly related to the OL Tufts restriction, or was that the hypothetical the one official used later on in the press conference? Toward the end, they used 10/25 numbers to make a point that they'd have to run revenue service on it first before lifting the speed restriction, but in that part of the press conference, they made clear that the actual numbers aren't necessarily 10 and 25 on every part with a speed restriction. The official probably shouldn't have used actual numbers in the hypothetical, but alas
For one, they could have an actual plan in place
By fungwah
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 3:49pm
If the best option is to close the T for a month to do necessary work, fine. But then there should be a well-established plan already in place for bus/commuter rail/etc alternatives. We shouldn't have officials still saying "we'll just move everyone to buses but we haven't bothered to look into how that will work".
Was anyone saying Boo Urns?
By They Were Sayin...
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 7:16pm
I was saying boo urns
now
By anon
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 7:02am
The short notice of this points to it being mandated - nothing the T can do about that if true. But the lack of planning time can almost guarantee this will be even more of a disaster for commuters than it needs to be.
But I also wonder, given the general supply issues these days, whether the T and/or the contractors will have all the necessary construction materials/supplies (track/switches/whatever) to complete all the projects on such short notice. That would be a shame, and we probably will never hear about it if that's case, because they're ready to deem this a complete success before they've even started.
"deep cleaned" stations
By anon
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 3:31pm
Despite that easily being the most accomplishable of the promises being made here, somehow I just don't believe it's going to happen.
Am I the only one who would
By oddjob60
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 3:54pm
Am I the only one who would not be surprised if the Orange line never comes back?
You mean,
By jmeltzer
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 3:59pm
never returns?
More than you'll never know
By GeeJimmy
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 8:43am
n/t
Yes
By Parkwayne
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 7:17pm
That's an insane theory. It's not a bus line.
True, but A-Line, Arborway Service
By HenryAlan 2.0
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 10:01am
Those are both fairly recent examples of rail lines bustituted "temporarily" that never returned. Note, I don't believe that will happen with the Orange Line, but we can't say it's completely insane to think the MBTA might do exactly what it has done on some other occasions.
Suspect math
By JustinM
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 4:01pm
There are 168 hours in a week. Let's be generous and assume it takes a few hours to get equipment and workers in and out of place. That still leaves 40 hours to get work done with weekend shutdowns - so what takes one month with a full closure should take four months with weekend closures, not five years. That's assuming they're not even bothering to do overnight work on weekdays.
I'm guessing what's actually going on is the FTA told them the tracks were so bad they needed to be replaced immediately, not over a few months.
Yes, they were rather blase about the FTA
By adamg
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 10:21am
And made it sound like a) They were doing this because it just is the right thing to do and b) It's really riders' fault, because people were demanding "bold" action, so you want "bold" action? Here's your bold action.
As for time, though, they did address that. They said a lot of the work takes a lot of setup and breakdown work. If it takes, say, two hours to get equipment to a site and get it ready for installation, then another two hours to dismantle the stuff so trains can pass by during business hours, that doesn't leave you a lot of time for actual work, at least in the overnight hours.
I remember when they shut down the Arborway Line.
By Lee
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 5:02pm
Just temporarily, they said.
Then you remember
By Waquiot
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 8:53pm
Even when it was closed, it wasn’t for 30 days.
In fact, they never gave an end date.
As with most things in Boston
By anon
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 5:19pm
As with most things in Boston, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It's rough, but it's best to
By Chris77
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 6:18pm
It's rough, but it's best to do it now, before the winter and only partially during the school year. People will adapt.
They will? How?
By lbb
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 9:00am
They will? How?
When you need to spend four hours of your day commuting (or five, or six, or...) because of the euphemistically-called "service interruptions", your ability to "adapt" is limited. It's not like there are services poised to leap into action to make up for all the things that commuters can't do because they're spending their lives commuting. You can't pick your kid up from daycare, or get dinner on the table at a reasonable hour, or even get home in time to do anything but go to bed only to get up and do it over again. So how are people going to "adapt", exactly?
Being able to walk the Zakim bridge when it opened was exciting.
By Friartuck
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 6:49pm
But this will be like that and New Year's Eve, combined.
Am I expected to believe….
By Lee
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 7:08pm
…. the T can hire enough people to do all this work all at once on all sections of the Orange Line?
Are the dispatchers pitching in? The T police? I suppose the ambassadors are all learning to lay rails.
Don’t tell me more Orange Lies!!
Hearing this from him is
By anon
Wed, 08/03/2022 - 11:21pm
Hearing this from him is painfully embarrassing. Again
Prioritizing shuttle buses during this shutdown
By Ron Newman
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 2:52pm
Give every shuttle bus the same transponder that fire engines and ambulances have, which immediately interrupts the current phase of any traffic signal and changes the light to green for the approaching bus.
Um
By Waquiot
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 7:49pm
You know we don't have this in Boston, right? Fire engines in Boston run red lights with the hope that people realize what the lights and sirens mean. Ambulances sit in traffic when people don't see or hear them.
To be sure, I've seen this system in Natick, but not in Boston.
I've seen it often
By Ron Newman
Thu, 08/04/2022 - 8:53pm
A white light starts blinking, and then the signal immediately turns to green for the direction from which the ambulance or fire truck is approaching. This could easily also work for buses.
Once again
By Waquiot
Fri, 08/05/2022 - 11:33am
No, this is not a thing in Boston. I've seen enough fire engines and ambulances being made to go through red lights to verify this. And I am talking about the Longwood Medical Area as well.
I mean, if you can point to a particular intersection in Boston that you've seen this in action, I will eat a proper course of crow, but the suburbs don't count, as even I have seen it in some towns.
There are no emergency vehicle transponders anywhere in Boston?
By boo_urns
Fri, 08/05/2022 - 12:29pm
In Somerville (yes if you want to call that a suburb, fine, but it's just an example, not a counter-argument), when there are emergency vehicles, a light on the signal pole illuminates and all of the lights will turn red while fire trucks or other emergency vehicles approach intersections. I don't think it's at every single one, but it's not exactly new or unique tech. I would be surprised if there aren't intersections like this on any jurisdiction's roads in Boston (i.e. BTD, MassDOT, MassDCR, etc.).
So we should run the shuttles in Somerville?
By Waquiot
Sun, 08/07/2022 - 11:50am
I don’t think that will make things quicker.
And yes, the City of Somerville is not a part of the City of Boston.
Ok.
By boo_urns
Wed, 08/10/2022 - 10:06pm
Where did I say the City of Somerville was a part of Boston?
What does it matter if you don't think the transponders will make things quicker? Seems irrelevant. No on asked.
And, yes, the OL shuttle route will need to stop at Assembly in Somerville, so, yes the shuttles will need to run through Somerville as part of the route.
All I asked was for confirmation that there isn't a single intersection in Boston with pretty run of the mill tech found elsewhere in the greater Boston area.
I asked the same thing
By Waquiot
Thu, 08/11/2022 - 10:38pm
All I did was note that in the area where one would think they'd have it (LMA) they don't, and I can also say that they don't have them in Roslindale, Hyde Park, West Roxbury, or the Back Bay.
But if those who claim that they exist in Boston can show us where they are, I'd be glad to see them. Until proven, that Somerville has them means very little.
I don't think anyone claimed they exist in Boston
By boo_urns
Sun, 08/14/2022 - 10:16am
The original statement was that they should. They're very useful. Not sure what about that gave you heartburn because I don't think it's that divisive of a statement. Boston should get with the times.
Transit signal priority
By Cranky
Fri, 08/05/2022 - 2:12pm
The MBTA has a project that would put transponders on some buses. Not exactly germane to this discussion, but I've gone down a rabbit hole and I'm taking you all with me.
See: https://www.mbta.com/projects/bus-transit-priority Look for the "Transit Signal Priority" section.
Better than eras past
By JGoodhue
Fri, 08/05/2022 - 12:11pm
This planned one month shut-down is much better than how the state and municipality have executed such impactful activities in decades past. Two examples of egregious past projects:
(1) in 1983, the State/MBTA shut down a stretch of the Green Line from Forest Hills to Brigham Circle, allegedly to execute repairs. In 2002 they were still squabling about this; there was even a federal court mandate to reopen this stretch of trolley line. In the end the line was never repaired/reopened.
(2) When the State/MBTA moved the Orange Line from Washington Street to the newly cleared freeway alignment, they promised to replace the Washington Street overhead with service of equal or better quality. They never kept their promise, not did they ever have any intent to do so.
To shut down the Orange Line for one month is much better than the open ended, broken promise plans noted above. In recent years there have been several similar projects executed with a promised end date, and which were done as promised. A couple: the bridge replacement on Comm Ave over the pike; the replacement of the Red Line bridge at Clayton Street, done in a weekend!
The State leadership and the MBTA are far from perfect, and there are still problems that drag on and on, but trying to aggressively fix the entire Orange Line in one month is a different better tack than how projects were handled in years past.
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