Man says buying Stop & Shop flushable wipes is like throwing money down the drain, except you shouldn't because both the wipes and the money would clog that drain
A Beverly man who bought some Stop & Shop "flushable" wipes in February says he was aghast when he read the fine print on the bottom that he claims contradicts the claim that the wipes are flushable and so is suing the supermarket chain.
In his lawsuit, filed in US District Court last week, Mark Schotte does not disclose whether his toilet or pipes clogged after using the wipes, which he bought "for his personal use" at the Beverly Stop & Shop, but says he never would have bought them in the first place had he noticed the tiny-print disclaimer that there are limits on their flushability, and that he is outraged enough to seek to become lead plaintiff in a class action for at least $5 million in damages.
The complaint alleges that "no reasonable consumer would even notice the disclaimer, which is located on the underside of the packaging, in small print, and is hidden by a tab that must be folded up to even view it," his complaint alleges.
Defendant markets and sells the Wipes as "flushable" wipe products. In fact, the Wipes are not flushable, in that they do not break apart or disperse in a reasonable period of time after flushing, resulting in clogs or other sewage damage. ...
Further, no reasonable consumer would expect that small print language on the side or back panels of the Wipe products would contain language inconsistent with the representation that the Wipes are "flushable." Nor would a reasonable consumer expect that a "flushable" wipe would not break down in a timely manner under ordinary circumstances, such as when placed in water. No reasonable consumer would even notice the disclaimer at all, given its location, print size, and color. And the disclaimer is vague to the point of uselessness because the Wipes should not be flushed at all.
The complaint adds that had he known about the disclaimer, he certainly wouldn't have paid some 25% more for the wipes over the price of wipes that are clearly marked as unflushable.
For example, "Always My Baby Thick & Gentle Baby Wipes Scented" wet wipes sold by Defendant cost approximately $0.04 per wipe while "Always My Baby Toddler Wipes Melonberry Flushable Wipes'' and "Stop & Shop Flushable Cleansing Wipes Fresh Scent" both cost approximately $0.05 per wipe. Thus, Plaintiff and members of the Class and Subclass paid, at minimum, twenty-five percent more for the flushable Wipes due to the Flushability Claims.
Complete complaint (2.6M PDF).
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I mean, he's not wrong
Flushable wipes are a scam. None of the wipes advertised as flushable are. I once took a tour of Deer Island and this came up during the tour; the guide could not stress enough that no wipes of any sort should ever be flushed.
Ref: https://www.thespruce.com/are-flushable-wipes-really-flushable-5191412
yeah
If you are on twitter.. the Northeast Ohio Water and Sewer account harps on how these wipes are not flushable and do not flush them. Good know at the MWRA its the same.
Of course what person is going to keep sh*tty wet wipes in their bathroom trash? No one.
In other places, that's just what they do
When I visited Honduras a couple years back, many of the toilets I encountered had a bin to deposit your "wipes". I was told by locals that the sewage systems really [edit] can't handle even toilet paper, so it is common practice to have a bin for things used for wiping.
typo?
Is that supposed to be "can't"?
Common across South America and Central
Brazil and else where is the same. The part left out is that they also have bidets and the paper is more for a quick dry and toss in the bin.
Mexico
I went to Mexico several years ago and this was the same, as was a few islands in the Caribbean.
I mean here, in the US, most people won't.
Team bidet laughs at these problems!
A little pat dry with some toilet paper that you could easily throw in the trash without issue after cleaning.
Came here
to say this~! long live the bidet and truly clean behinds!
Got 400 bucks?
Cuz I know the model I want.. I just want a nice one (and one that will fit on my toilet). The cheaper ones are meh. My fanny needs more than just some cold water.
If I am gonna get one, its going to be a nice one. My fanny deserves it.
Also people daily fiber is your friend. best.thing.ever. Helps negate less TP being used.
Get an attachment
A few years ago, my dad got on a bidet kick and put an attachment on a toilet. On my next visit, he asked me to put attachments on two other toilets. It was easy and the hardware was actually good quality. I was surprised.
We do.
Our school-age kids use them sometimes at home. We might go through a package every 6 months. They know to throw them in the trash, and they do. A covered trashcan works just fine, more or less -- just like it does for diapers, tampons, pads, adult incontinence products, etc.
same thing with disenfectant wipes
should be put in the trash, not flushed.
Who wouldn't pay an extra penny for Melonberry?
It's funny, when I look at the packaging I note the very prominent † symbol next to the word Flushable. No reasonable consumer would fail to realize that maybe there is more to the story and that they should read all the notices on the package.
Whenever I see that symbol on packaging
I assume the footnote is, "Haha, just kidding".
Or maybe companies should
Or maybe companies should stop lying on their marketing. I hope this dude takes them to the bank. Sick of the idea that people who don't examine everything in extremely fine, ridiculous detail are somehow rubes for accepting a reasonable claim at face value.
You find something labeled "Allergen Free Snacks!*" - then when you finally find the *, which is in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.', it's like "May contain nuts, eggs, gluten, bees, ragweed seeds, and latex".
I didn't see it
so I would question "very prominent".
Also, usually a footnote on a product adds nuance or limitations, rather than directly contradicting the very meaning of the thing it annotates.
Technically lots of things
Technically lots of things are flushable...
I would suggest that if your product says flushable and doing so causes damage to most standard plumbing fixtures and causes harm to the treatment plants enough that you need an asterisk then maybe they shouldn't say flushable on the package.
Over on Twitter, one thing they seem to be doing right is adding context to even ads that have been inputted by other users. I'm sure it upsets advertisers but it's getting ridiculous out there when companies make these claims that aren't true right on their packages.
It seems like fraud to think
It seems like fraud to think that a footnote can explain that item labeled as Flushable is not flushable.
The footnote
† These wipes are flushable meaning you are able to stack them immediately abutting or directly adjacent to other objects on your shelf.
Plumber's union ain't gonna like this
I'm guessing 'flushable' wipes that really aren't make up a steady stream of easy money for plumbers and drain companies.
I'm also only kidding, since every plumber I ever met warned me never to flush any wipes, 'flushable' or not.
Septic Pumpers, Too
People mistakenly believe that undocumented claims of septic safety mean that they are actually septic safe.
There was a bill
and it died in the Senate.
This is America
Where a corporate person has the god given right to cause sewage blockages.
/s
British Fatbergs
The brits are looking at banning them https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/04/04/all-blocked-up-uk-proposes-ban...
There were notices in our hotels in Spain - in English - warning people not to use them.
What I really want to know:
What does the fine print say?
Googling found this:
"Flushable (For flushing see back panel. Independent lab testing shows these wipes meet INDA flushable product guidelines. Not all systems can accept flushable wipes. Ignoring disposal instructions may lead to clogs, property damage, or regulatory violations).
...
Disposal instructions: Do not flush if: Violates local rules. Using RV, marine, or aviation system. Using macerator toilet or household pump. Fat or grease are put in any drain or you are unsure of system capability. Flushing Ok if: Permitted by local rules. One wipe per flush. No history of clogs or backups. Septic follows EPA schedule for alternative systems (annual inspection & pumping). If a problem is noticed, dispose of in trash and stop flushing."
So it is possible to flush them while following the rules, though it would waste a lot of water with one wipe per flush.
However, I'm with the other commenters: no matter what the package says, it's a bad idea to flush any kind of wipes.
I've never heard anything from the MWRA about this. Is it a formal rule, or just some verbal advice from a tour guide? If it really is a problem, they should publicize it better.
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet
Stick to using the free newspapers from the supermarket.
Zappa song...
Flakes has the sage lyrics:
Well my toilet went crazy
Yesterday afternoon
The plumber he says
"Never flush a tampoon..."
but but (pun intended)
To take away "flushable" infringes on Stop& Shop's right to free speech! (IIRC some drug company used that argument in Vermont some years ago after lying about some drug or another. They won, too)
We went thru this in our townhouse complex
We have our own water system and septic. Many years ago, the board sent out a notice to all residents that flushable wipes aren't. They really mess up a septic sysyem.
I hope this guy gets something.