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Business group would shut fire stations, put city services out to bid
By adamg on Thu, 08/06/2009 - 3:09pm
The Boston Municipal Research Bureau, funded by local businesses, says Boston will face even greater financial challenges next year than it did this year. In a report the bureau says the city could tighten its belt by shutting some fire stations, closing the fire-box alarm system, making some 1,700 retirees sign up for Medicare and put city services with analogs in the private sector out to bid on the theory private companies could do the work more cheaply than city workers.
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Thanks, but Americans
Thanks, but Americans already have had a 30 year run with the theory "private companies could do the work more cheaply than city workers."
30 years of fundamental capitalism and we have a broken financial system, we're teetering on a depression, have infrastructure that's crumbing, decreasing real wages, failed health care, and ballooning debt, and a shrinking middle class.
How about Business paying their fair share and moving away from Business by DOW and a focus on long term sustainability and growth, rather then quarterly dividends and profits?
No? Though so!
Yes
Most of this is the failure of government - not business. It's government that didn't keep up the infrastructure, it's government that invited our competitors' workers over hear to get trained in our schools and go home and compete with us, it's government that hasn't been able to come up with a solution to health care, government that fueled the debt with low interest rates and government that serves as the poster child for over leveraged consumption.
As my regular readers know - Boston's budget is up by 50% in the past 10 years even though we have 1000 fewer employees in the budget and 10% fewer students in the schools. If you ran a business like that there would be one word for it - bankrupt (although maybe now there is a second word - bailout!)
When you consider employees
When you consider employees a liability cost that needs to be cut, of course it won't look anything like private capital.
Look, I'm not arguing that Gov doesn't have it's own problems, and I do want to see reform and cuts in programs that are just throwing bad money at bad, but letting private businesses take over has consistently resulted in the same problems we had with government in the first place in addition to less accountability for the private enterprise undertaking it.
Then there's the issue where there's certain things a profit driven market can't do best, or fix.
Eliminating fireboxes is a pretty good idea, although they do still serve a purpose because anyone can pull them and firemen can be dispatched instantly to a location that a person might not know well enough to relay.
Contracting other jobs to the private enterprise so they can cut salaries down to minimum wage and bottom out service to walmart standards isn't so appealing.
Less get off this stick that government can do no right, and that all taxes are evil. This selfishness is part of the reason we are where we are at.
1924 just called
It wants it's fire box alarm system back...
I think that's something that Boston can probably get by without,
given that 2009 snuck up on us all so quickly.
2009 here answering. New
2009 here answering. New York City removed all the boxes (before 9/11). They decided it was a mistake and replaced them at a cost of millions of dollars.
Just because you have your cell phone doesn't mean that everyone else has one. If you dial 911 on your cell phone to report a fire, the call goes to the State Police, they transfer it to Boston, who will then transfer it to the fire department. That's five minutes or more. Add five minutes for the response. How would it feel to wait thet amount of time for the first truck to show up?
Sam Yoon on the bureau report
I have the sense that Yoon
I have the sense that Yoon is plenty smart enough to identify the problems and know how to fix them. I wonder if he has demonstrated the ability to effect these changes in the large idiosyncratic and provincial bureaucracy we call city government.
Yoon
Yoon is probably the smartest of the four - but I can tell you that I've spoken to him personally and repeatedly about taking a stand on some of these issues since almost the day he got elected and all I've seen were some community budget seminars and hearings. I like Sam personally - but won't be voting for him because I think a Yoon administration would be one long bureaucratic meeting with nothing getting done.
Although it won't happen - the two primary winners should probably be Yoon and McCrea so we can put the machine politics to bed in this town. Sadly we'll probably get the opposite.
Well, it's about time
we reversed this century-long trend towards socialized firefighting. If big government had its way, you wouldn't even be allowed to set fires on your own property; it's already illegal in multi-story apartment buildings. Found THAT out.
I say we make all the BFD firefighters[1] independent contractors, and let them compete to the best of their disability.
[1] Jakes. (That's for Adam.)
Another trend we've seen
Another trend we've seen over the last 5,000 years is the use of capitalized words and coherent sentences. I wouldn't trust you with a barbeque 100 feet from a structure. What the hell is soialized firefighting?
well, i got it
It was some sarcasm. And a typo on a site with a rudimentary editing function is hardly indicative of anything.
But being a self-appointed copy editor _is_ indicative...
of something: It indicates that one is a douche. So it does provide a valuable service in that sense. So go ahead, douches-- edit away!
Firefighting is socialist if
Firefighting is socialist if we take the current definition from the teabagging GOP. Socialism is evil, so firefighting = evil. (plus put those taxes back into MY pocket)
I got it too.
McCrea: Report proves the other three guys should step aside
Having a hard time with this
I keep trying to find a fault in some of his logic...but I'm not seeing it.
There was an interesting article from Kurt Andersen in this week's Time magazine in which he stated a good case for why we need to return to amateur politicians because they are in it for the passion and not a career. He quoted Alexis de Tocqueville from the 1800's as approvingly noting America lacked "public careers" (an absence of professional politicians). Kurt makes a good point.
Putting a McCrea in office would seem to satisfy this sort of return to our roots by removing the political pandering that comes with voting for yet another professional politician.
Disclaimer -- I haven't fully decided who I'm voting for yet and I work for no campaigns.
We need realistic term
We need realistic term limits, and forced public funding.
Right now congress, and even an mayors race is dependent on deep pockets, shameless large sum donations and promises, and the ability to lock out smart people with good ideas based on your "record".
Isn't it interesting that
Isn't it interesting that the boyos most closely in Menino's pocket (the municipal research bureau) never mentioned the organization that is so incredibly redundant to the fire department that NO OTHER CITY in this country has anything like it. New York City was the last major city to have this type of organization before being taken over by the FDNY when common sense prevailed. Response times were shortened. Patients received better care.
I'm talking about Boston EMS. This organization has received no scrutiny and apparently has no budget restrictions. Check it out. There are EMS garages across the street and next door to firehouses with empty bays and there is a recommendation to shut down firehouses! Menino says thank you for 61% of the City's budget from people who own two and three families but get ready to fight for your local firehouse. Anyone who has the guts to take this on as a reporter should get the Pulitzer.
wonder what Paramedics views
wonder what Paramedics views on this would be, seeing as he actually works in the field and takes his job very seriously.
He would be a welcome
He would be a welcome addition to the BFD. I think his blog is great.
He seems pretty happy in EMS
Alas, for us addicted blog readers, he's no longer updating it, so he can concentrate on a book (which, if it's anything like the blog, will be great).
OOH Boy
I so do love it when private sector "business groups," who deal with numbers, statistics, and the almighty greenback, give their expert testimony and opinion on public sector issues, and make the public believe it is at their best interest to hop on the bandwagon.
To start, the firebox system was invented right here in Boston in 1852, and has stuck for one main reason: it works. Very simply. Without going into the logistics of exactly how it works, you simply pull the handle down, and wait. 3-5 minutes. BOOM! At least 2 fire companies show up to your location. Anytime I respond to a call that has been called in by cellular telephone, it is a tossup as to whether or not we will find it. Many times we do, but there are other we don't. Here is why:
Cell phone scenario: A person calls from one location on his or her cell phone, and it bounces off a cell phone tower in another location nearby. We may or may not find them depending on whether or not they gave their location correctly, which in an emergency situation is not always possible due to panic, worry, or simply not knowing where he or she is.
Fire Box Scenario: A person pulls a fire alarm box, which is in a fixed location. We show up, without fail, to that location, in an average response time of 3-5 minutes.
Cell phone in a disaster: May or may not work, depending on whether or not the cell phone towers are clogged with other calls or simply disabled due to lack of power or damage.
Fire Box in a disaster: Will ALWAYS work, since they run on a power supply that is uninterruptible.
I have a cell phone and use it very frequently. I have used it in emergencies, in addition to regular use, and advocate everybody having one (especially women and children) for safety and convenience. However, since cell phones became the popular technology and pretty much banished the pager to hospital use only, everyone has been on the bandwagon to get rid of the fireboxes, since their "not needed, cost too much, and aren't worth it." Well, are they not worth it? It does cost to maintain and repair them. Well, so do cell phones, which we all pay for through monthly fees and contracts. BUT....since the lovelys at the Boston Municipal Research Bureau nicely remind everybody that fireboxes are paid for on the "taxpayer's dime" (although I am a firefighter, I do pay taxes in the city also; so it's my dime too), and so we should get rid of them to save money. Well, if you ask me, if a firebox saves one life, it has paid for itself and then some. Those who don't believe this, like Sam Tyler, and anyone else who is doubtful, should talk to someone who has had a child, a spouse, or other loved one rescued from a fire.
You cannot put a price on a life, and a firebox will never have it's battery die, run out of bars because of bad reception, or fail when submerged in water.
When was the last time a firebox was used to report a fire, one might ask?
On February 21, 2009 Box 3358 (Columbia Road at Blue Hill Avenue) was pulled to report a fire at the former Franklin Park Theater. The fire ended up at five alarms, and was not reported by any other means except for the box. The box was pulled at 1:23am, and the first fire companies, Engine 24 and Ladder 23, arrived at 1:27am and asked for an additional response. 4 minutes.
When it comes to shuttering firehouses, I don't remotely see how this is in the best interest of the taxpayer. Closing firehouses will increase response times, put other firefighters and emergency workers at risk, and make it harder for us to do our job effectively. AND....before I hear the collective sigh of those who are ready to tell me that other cities have "successfully" closed firehouses without detriment, I ask you to look into this tragic situation:
April 2009: A police officer from Warren, Ohio is the first on scene to a fire in a group home a few blocks from a firehouse that had been shuttered a couple of months before. Since that station was closed and help was further away, he attempted to rescue the trapped people, who were all mentally-handicapped residents of this facility. One victim escaped, but the police officer and 3 others were cut off and had to be rescued by the firefighters from another station. The police officer ended up in a medically induced coma, and another victim later died.
Although this is only one situation, I would like to put out there to everybody that a fire can double in intensity in 30 seconds, and a room can completely ignite within 2-3 minutes, depending on the conditions. So, how long would you rather wait, 3 minutes, or 5? Or 6? Or 8?
Bean counters don't carry hoses or ladders for a reason, just like I shouldn't use a calculator or spreadsheets to put out fires. Although it is feasible that yes, the bureau does have an idea of how this will save the city money, it doesn't mean it's a good idea. Although Sam Tyler may not care what happened in Warren, Ohio, I'm sure that the police officer's family, and the family of the victim who died, both care. I'm also sure that anyone who has been a fire victim, had someone in their family die of a sudden heart attack, stroke or other medical emergency, or been in a car accident, can appreciate quick response from emergency officials much more than someone who has never needed their services.
Bravo. Jakes have been
Bravo.
Jakes have been getting bad wraps lately, but you've proved your one of the good ones.
The whole point of capitalism and money is it's the best way to happiness that we've found yet. Unfortunately, recently it seems, the only point to money is more money.
Question
If these things are so reliable and the power supply is "uninterruptable" (is there really such a thing?) - why does the city spend so much time fixing them. How reliable is something that costs millions of dollars every year to repair?
Well...
To answer your questions:
1. The power is "uninterruptable" because it operates independently from the power grid; if the entire power grid in the City of Boston were to fail (i.e. similar to the blackout in New York City in 2003) the fire boxes would still work.
2. The city doesn't necessarily spend so much every year "fixing" them, as much as it does maintaining them. The boxes are a very simple system, and frankly do not require nearly as much attention as many forms of modern technology; however, the boxes must be tested and maintained to ensure operability. Many other things within the city's infrastructure also require preventative or on occasion complete maintenance to ensure proper operation (the water grid a good example). The boxes are absolutely reliable, and MUCH more so than a cellular phone could every hope to be. I simply don't understand why everyone is always so quick to attack fireboxes as a needless expense when they are a proven, reliable (and I know, old) technology. Cities must spend money to maintain infrastructure, so why attack these as an absolutely needless expense? Although (hopefully) one does not need to use one often, they're there when needed, just like fire hydrants. Should the city start removing some fire hydrants to save money since those aren't used that often either?
As I said before, just because other cities are calling their firebox systems "useless, antiquated, or expensive" and removing them, that does not mean Boston needs to follow suit. There are a variety of other ways the city can save money, and playing with public safety should not be one of them.
academy
Sorry to get off topic here, but I was wondering if anyone out there has any information on whether or not the BFD will be hiring/conducting a new fire academy anytime soon? Or atleast conducting interviews for future hires? Thanks
You make some interesting
You make some interesting points about the fire boxes. I didn't even realize they were still in use, figuring instead that the boxes in my neighborhood are relics that just haven't been removed yet. Now that I know they work, I realize I don't actually know for sure where the closest box is. Can you point me to a map or some other resource for this?
Thanks.