Alejandra Caraballo noticed the odd headline in the Globe paper edition on Friday:
Transgender boxer advances
Which was, of course, about the Algerian woman boxer that transphobes like J.K. Rowling, Elon Musk and failed presidential candidate Ron DeSantis just know is really a man even though they're wrong.
The Globe apologized for the headline today, although without saying how it happened, how it plans to keep it from happening again:
A significant error was made in a headline on a story in Friday’s print sports section about Algerian boxer Imane Khelif incorrectly describing her as transgender. She is not. Additionally, our initial correction of this error neglected to note that she was born female. We recognize the magnitude of this mistake and have corrected it in the epaper, the electronic version of the printed Globe. This editing lapse is regretful and unacceptable and we apologize to Khelif, to Associated Press writer Greg Beacham, and to you, our readers.
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Well done! (golf clap)
By MassMouse
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 10:13am
Well done! (golf clap)
How does the Bo Globe know
By Frelmont
Sun, 08/04/2024 - 6:08pm
How does the Bo Globe know this individual was “born female?” What evidence is there for the Globe to make this claim?
Mustn’t this individual have glands producing male levels of testosterone? Undescended testicles? DSD?
Apparently the parents raised this individual as a girl and love her. I don’t think cultural bullying is the best path for people learning acceptance.
We are already becoming more understanding of differences and histories, but using cultural coercion (and the political and commercial pandering to this de-generate, regressive, anti—democratic movement) and bullying to promote somebody’s subjective reality and make it everybody’s mandated reality is deeply Orwellian and that is probably where the popular author of a novel take on derivative ideas, JK Rowling is coming from. A difference of opinion is not hate.
I'm sorry, but your "just askin'" question is really stupid
By adamg
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 9:52am
How do you know she was not born a woman? Why are you so deeply troubled about her genitals?
And be honest: Had you even heard of her three weeks ago? Were you an avid follower of women's Olympic boxing? Have you been keeping up with your reading on the perfidy of Russian-linked sports bodies?
This is one case among many.
By Frelmont
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 5:32pm
This is one case among many. If we were mislead about there being a “there” there in these specific case then that is unfortunate, however this (male bodies, however atrophied by hormone therapy and the timing relative to natural puberty, in women's’ sports) is a live societal issue that all members of society should weigh in on. Who are the arbiters of reality?
It really isn't
By lbb
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 10:41am
It really isn't, and you really shouldn't. You've been propagandized. You bit on that hook and now you're running with it.
I don’t know she wasn’t born
By Frelmont
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 6:25pm
I don’t know she wasn’t born a woman. I could give two Schlitz abouter gonads, or condition, if any. I do care about media consolidation and the dominant stake holders/zeitgeist/paradigm/ whatever the better term is dictating what is the fundamental reality and anyone who question an asserted reality is a vile heretic. It’s a slippery slope. Yes, trans people, actual, or imagined shouldn’t be questioned, but cis women don’t deserve being trounced and thwarted by a “trans ceiling” in their chosen sports. If I’m wrong then the news needs to do a better job of presenting statistics and distribution of wins/performance of trans vs. cis and debunking myth, if there is one, of a trans women advantage in women’s sports. I don’t have to say trans folk deserve full actualization and acceptance, (even saying good things will trigger people/I already hem and haw and wrestle with my internalized my guilt and “privilege” to the extent that it can be difficult to speak ) everybody on this planet deserves love, acceptance and understanding, but there is an issue here to be grappled with.
Propaganda
By lbb
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 10:42am
Propaganda. Non-issue. Stop trying to pretend that you're not transphobic.
What evidence do we have
By lbb
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 10:38am
How do we know that you're not an alien from Planet Ten?
How do we know that you're not a member of the Sinaloa cartel?
How do we know that you're not Scott Lively's sockpuppet?
How do we know that you're not an angry Harry Potter fanboi?
How do we know that you are not, in fact, an actual sea lion?
But we do know
By jmeltzer
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 2:06pm
a lettuce will last longer than that poster will here.
How long have they been here? Two weeks? Three? And they already have a "really stupid" from Adam.
I mean
By lbb
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 4:07pm
He has outlasted Liz Truss, but then she departed long before the lettuce could wilt, so...
I realize the right is more
By Frelmont
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 6:02pm
I realize the right is more outspoken on this issue, but how do we affirm and ally with trans people without martyring cis women who don’t stand a chance? Stridency won’t make this go away.
This will always be an issue for the right if the left doesn’t own its Schlitz.
How do you get through the day
By lbb
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 10:45am
How do you get through the day without breaking your neck tripping over the mountains that you've constructed from imaginary molehills?
How odd that a white knight like yourself, riding to the (unasked for) defense of "cis women", would use a gendered insult.
Ain't no "Schlitz" to own, boy. Now drink lots of water and take some tylenol, it'll knock down that fever.
Until my party reconciles
By Frelmont
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 11:45am
Until my party reconciles this issue the right will keep running with it.
lol
By lbb
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 12:36pm
You're both young and naive if you really believe that's how it works.
The only one running here is you, running all day for the right, waving the banner of their non-issue, sea lioning just-asking using words like "reconcile" as if the entire premise of what you're doing isn't both logically and morally invalid. The right loves you.
Is it all just misinformation
By Frelmont
Wed, 08/07/2024 - 7:35am
Is it all just misinformation that non-classical, trans &c women in women’s sport have an advantage? If so, then the media is not doing its job. If it’s a non-issue I will eventually come around to the data and reason and maybe simply compassion, but my read is it’s not a settled matter. Humans (and some other primates) have a deep, deep, primal desire, if not a drive for fairness and the notion that a small set of athletes with advantaged physiologies relative to the larger set of women they compete with is deeply unfair, selfish and immoral if what we know about physiology is true.
As for media standards and logic, Time magazine said one of the women boxers was a woman, because she was born in a country where trans gendered people aren’t permitted.
Yup. It is.
By lbb
Wed, 08/07/2024 - 12:42pm
Yup. It is.
There are so many factors that convey "an advantage" in sports that it's nonsensical to try to tease one factor and say "aha, there! that's the advantage!" Any time you do this, you are guaranteed to be wrong. And when someone doubles and triples and quadruples down on their "I am just asking" sea lioning about characteristics that may or may not convey any advantage, may or may not be present in a given situation, and may or may not even be a thing at all, that tells me something about that person. That person is trying to manufacture a complaint out of twine and hot air. That's you.
Don't want to wear the brand of "person who actively promotes misinformation"? Go do the work. Educate yourself using reputable sources. Address all the questions that have been put to you. Stop demanding that people prove a negative. Abandon intellectual dishonesty. Ask yourself, honestly, why you are doing this -- and don't pretend that it's out of some abstract desire for perfect fairness in sports, or in support of female athletes, because it's not.
Yes, and those of us who live to adulthood generally develop enough knowledge and critical thinking skills to realize that fairness does not exist. Those who develop their minds a little further realize that the relentless quest for "fairness", rather than a noble pursuit, is a fig leaf over a desire to use a spurious complaint of "unfairness" to impose a burden on some people.
With every comment that you make, I am more and more convinced that what you know about physiology is negligible. Maybe you should sit this one out.
I admit I know nothing about
By Frelmont
Mon, 08/12/2024 - 10:12pm
I admit I know nothing about the physiology of the olympians in question. In question. Likely only a handful of individuals do know. It’s unlikely there’s any institution of the Russian crimestate, or entity that is free and independent to maintain integrity, but if there is one it’s a gem. Our enemies and adversaries can only exploit our weaknesses and the question of fairness and morality of bodies developed as males competing in women’s sports is an unresolved issue. Again, I admit credulity and presumptuousness on my part in this case. I am not denying anyone their humanity.
Yes
By bgl
Thu, 08/08/2024 - 7:22am
Yes, it is misinformation as this person is a woman and there is no credible evidence to the contrary, as already provided in reporting from "reputable" news articles.
Absence of evidence is not
By Frelmont
Mon, 08/12/2024 - 10:15pm
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There is allegedly a teapot in orbit right this very moment
Well… This thread is windier
By MassMouse
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 10:12am
Well… This thread is windier than an IndyCar race….
Peace/out
Having read this entire thread
By scollaysq
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 11:16am
I am more than convinced that my decision to ignore the Olympics this year was the correct one. Yikes.
nah
By berkleealum
Mon, 08/05/2024 - 4:06pm
Simone Biles and Katie Ledecky have each been legitimately amazing; the US basketball teams are operating at a class above their peers; track and field has begun in earnest and it’s fun.
this is just a blip that the American right is using to stir up their base. literally a nothing burger and they won’t give a shit about it in like 5 days.
Transgender boxer out in round of sixteen
By Sock_Puppet
Tue, 08/06/2024 - 3:02pm
I don't know why the media and several posters here had to bring transgender people into this at all. Khelif is not transgender, and this isn't about transgender people.
A transgender person did compete in the women's boxing competition at the Olympics, but it wasn't reported in the Glob. His name is Hergie Bacyadan. He was beaten by China's Li Qian in the round of sixteen.
Bacyadan has said that any athlete born with XY chromosomes should not be allowed to compete in the women's division. Bacyadan has also said he believes this is not the case with Khelif and Lin.
Why can't some of our social justice warriors show the real transgender boxer - Bacyadan - a little love in between cursing at people who disagree with them?
Well done, Hergie Bacyadan! I hope you'll be back in 2028!
"social justice warriors", really?
By lbb
Wed, 08/07/2024 - 12:44pm
For god's sake. Act your age. It's like watching someone bloviate when they've got spinach on their teeth.
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