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Maybe the women's soccer team can pretend this week never happened
By adamg on Thu, 10/17/2024 - 7:48pm
Rev. Laura Everett has been following and writing about women's sports in Boston for quite awhile. Today, she writes about the disaster that was the formal naming and introduction of the Boston professional women's soccer team, in particular the way the team managed to insult men, transgender people and past and present women's pro teams in Boston.
The ownership needs to fix what they’ve broken, rebuild trust, and listen to a fan base that loves women’s sports already - not just the potential men’s sports fans they’re trying to cultivate. And for the record: I’d suggest Bostonia FC, but almost anything other than BOS Nation would [be] fine.
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My suggestion
WFC Boston.
And yes, I am a fan of the Utah HC.
Or
WTFC Boston
Rev. Everett omitted the “E”
Rev. Everett omitted the “E” for errors that drag down baseball players.
Also, the transphobia is imagined. Right?
its the context
Unfortunately because several candidates for high national office are transphobes, and stochastic terrorism has been unleashed on the city over the issue, the context of many other seemingly unrelated debates becomes infected with the notions of such small mindedness.
The accusation is that the FC campaign was tone deaf in several ways, with one of those ways being tone deaf to the transphobia which is part of the context in the moment in the city in which they spoke.
I can explain it for you, but I can't understand it for you.
Thank you for your reply. I
Thank you for your reply. I get what you’re saying. What I’m not hearing in this story and in you reply is that the ads are positively transphobic, that is to say that there is nothing in the spirit and intent of the ad to direct animus, or a viewpoint on the topic of transfemale athletes playing in cisfemale sport, not anything that indicates that notionally.
You are really stuck on this
In several threads we've seen your concern trolling over what you claim is an issue, i.e., "transfemale athletes playing in cisfemale sport". What exactly is your interest in this specific issue, among the thousands of issues that you might be concerned about?
Mind you, you are 100% entitled to decide what takes up your own focus and mental energy. But you keep raising this in a public forum, and that's not just "Frelmont thinking to himself". That's "Frelmont trying to get people to believe that this is a problem". People have presented you with reams of information, which you have not addressed. You just come back in every thread where trans people or transphobia is mentioned, with the same concern trolling. I'm asking you why you're doing this.
And please, skip the "I am just asking!" or "I think there might be a problem here". You're not "just asking", you're presenting it in a public forum as a problem that others should be concerned about, without demonstrating that it is a problem. I'm wondering if there's a basic rule of logic that is eluding you: specifically, that one cannot prove a negative. I can challenge you to prove to me that there are no satanic pedophile rings operating in the basement of pizza shops, and you will not be able to prove it. A negative can only be proven within specific, well-defined terms: you can perhaps prove that there is no satanic pedophile ring operating from the basement of the Jumbo Pizza at 1234 Washington Street in East Ambush, Nebraska, but you cannot prove the statement as I framed it. You are doing the same thing, presenting a vague concern and demanding that people indulge in your need to speculate about it. That might be all well and good (although a waste of others' time) if your speculation was about whether there are versions of candy corn that actually taste good, but the speculation you are making touches on matters that are defamatory and harmful. Your behavior calls your intentions into question, but even if -- after repeated explanations -- your actions are still somehow entirely innocuous, that doesn't make them harmless. So, please: clarify your intentions.
Thanks, but you’re quite off
Thanks, but you’re quite off base.
Hi again, I re-read your
Hi again, I re-read your reply and I think you are applying a generalized jargon without understanding what I am saying.
File under: “misogyny”
File under: “misogyny”
Here we have a women’s team being kicked when their down after they made a mistake that was sexist, crass and inappropriate only to have some folks selfishly hijack the story to make it about something else at the expense of the women’s team. I’m like DUH! this is simple misogyny.
You're wrong
You have an obsession with trans athletes. This is transparently obvious from your comments. You do not have an authentic concern for women's rights, in sports or elsewhere. Like others with a weird obsession with trans people, you are attempting to hijack the cause of women's rights and use it to advance your agenda.
Just stop
Transphobia and antivaxxer prattle are still what they are despite your efforts to hide yours.
You are not fooling anyone.
Hi, while self-discovery is a
Hi, while self-discovery is a journey, I don’t believe I am being trans-phobic. What does bother me is coercive (as opposed to persuasive) bandwagoneering and prescriptive language and the policing of language and the attendant policing of thought.
This ad appears to be about women's sports fighting for market share in a landscape dominated by men’s sports and to say the ad is transphobic is a product of activism and attention-grabbing. The ad seems to be clearly sexist, but not transphobic. It’s only transphobic, because people chose to act to make it transphobic. Should everyone be forbidden to speak words that are vulnerable to being co-opted?
Herr Drumpf et al.’s and other’s actions are stochastic in there is a demonstrable cause and effect. That is not present here in the BOS story.
Also, I am in no way, shape, or form opposed to vaccines. Yes, I understand the country is in a bad way. I believe in “science as a candle in the dark” and in a “Demon-Haunted World” (Sagan) it is more important to be truthful about the very, very minor harms and unknowns about medicine than to betray reason because someone may willingly misinterpret my intent and meaning.
Hogwash
Hogwash. It is not possible to police someone else's thoughts. Stop playing victim.
Language is thought.
It’s like you’re not attempting to be analytical, but take a piece of my critique and instead of saying what you think wrong with it structurally, logically, morally, you basically blow raspberries at the man and not the words.
"would [be] fine"-- hilarious
I thought maybe Adam was condensing a quote, but no. The writer, and apparently nobody else involved at BUR, bothered to spell check that rant, er, commentary, for FC's sake.
Also, "a perverse Dr. Seuss rhyme"-- sorry? The intent was "Seussian" or "Seuss-esque", right? Right?
How the hell
Did they guess that "BOS" would be pronounced? Did they not anticipate that anyone might actually ever talk about them in a human, real-world verbal exchange?
BOS is for Euro stickers and published slang on digital platforms.
Bostonia FC
Gets my vote
First move
Before they do any of that, they should probably fire the person in charge of PR…
Back to the drawing board.
Back to the drawing board.
Would suggest one of two disparate approaches: Either work in “Bean Town” somehow (such as, the Bean Eaters) or call the team “Boston’s most callipygous team.”
C’mon
Out of everything Rev Everett lists in her story, lack of acknowledgement of local women’s championships and having a male speaker at the event seem more “offensive” than the balls marketing campaign.
Everyone’s hair trigger to be offended is distracting from an overall good event with the launch of the team.
Then again, any publicity is good publicity, right?
The Boston Athenas
We are the Athens of America, after all.
Yeah that ad is terrible. And
Yeah that ad is terrible. And it was the best of all the ones proposed? Yeesh
But I'm not getting why the name is offensive, maybe I'm being dense. BOS Nation like Boss Nation? They mention "Boss girl" in the article, is that a slur or have a negative connotation now?
It's not offensive...
It's just... bad. It is not a good name. There are many better options.
Same clowns?
Are these the same clowns that now have the keys to White Stadium and who claim shuttle busses from near and far will solve the transportation issue at said stadium?
BosNation. Lol.
Trying to strangle in the cradle
What could be a victory for women getting attacked at birth over minor issues.
Can't you scolds just settle down and watch a game?