"Ernie Boch III" has been trying to convince Blue Mass. Group readers to boycott advertisers on Howie Carr's radio show (he's even posted a handy list of advertisers and contact info). Must be having some effect: The Herald today fires back with the news that Ernie Boch III is not, in fact, the car dealer (whom the Herald gives space to to complain about the imposter). Paper also reports, however, that people actually are calling advertisers to complain about Carr.
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Guess what Herald and Ernie
By ShadyMilkMan
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 10:00am
Guess what Herald and Ernie Boch, you just gave the blogger free airtime and a wider audience!
Come on Down!
Hmmm.
By JohnAKeith
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:16am
Hmm. Did BMG know it wasn't the real Ernie Boch? Did they even check? Does it matter? No, no, yes, is my guess. (BMG has a disclaimer on the top of its most-recent Boch entry warning readers.)
I think the people at BMG are a bunch of fools, the equivalent of a bunch of kids sitting around a campfire making farting noises and giggling. Their world revolves around themselves; the writers make comments and the rest of the people agree with the writers and everyone pats themselves on the back.
And, with this, they can sit back and say, "Oh, we have no responsibility over what people say - and anyone can be anonymous or pretend to be someone else on the Internet, it's up to the readers to be wary." Yep. That's what a 15-year old says to his Mom, "I didn't know!!!!" Abdication of responsibility.
Separate but related topic - Universal Hub usually works as an aggregator of news from other websites. People know what they're going to get when they come here - mostly, unopinionated information. The vast-majority of entries are by one person and, although we know nothing about adamg, we have gathered, over time, what we need to know about him in order to trust what he says.
But, UH also allows anyone to set up an account and post entries.
The downside of this is, now anyone can post and can say whatever he/she would like. This gives this website a different tone and style. Suddenly, readers have to make a judgment about the writer - is he/she a legitimate source of information?
Most-recently, a person with the "Anonymous" handle has written entries. Obviously, the name is a funny little joke in of itself - because the person is, of course, anonymous.
Anyone can be anyone on the Internet but in specific cases, I think it's better when we know more about a person who is giving us information / feeding us drivel (depending on one's point of view).
People don't know me but they've gathered an idea of what I'm like through comments on this blog, my old real estate blog, and elsewhere. It's not necessarily accurate (let's not bring up the homeless in Copley Square again ...) but it's a clear representation.
I guess all I'm saying is, I think people think of Universal Hub - Adam Gaffin as one entity. To suddenly thrust someone else in without any background information is a bit jarring and changes the flavor of the site.
If people are going to contribute to this site, I think they should have to give more information about who they are, etc.
Or, maybe I'm just saying that, to add other contributors who start pontificating on subjects makes this site less unique. The comments section of this site is where there can be controversy, I'm not used to having the writers be controversial.
Am I bad for Universal Hub?
By Ron Newman
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:19pm
I occasionally post stories here (Adam gave me that privilege years ago), and I'm also an intermittent contributor to Blue Mass Group. So I'm a fool and I'm damaging the tone of UHub?
Be fair
By Kaz
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:33pm
Come on, Ron. I'm pretty sure there's a big difference between this and this. It's pretty obvious what John is claiming to be the problem.
school yard bully
By Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:29pm
Kaz, are you a school yard bully who tries to line-up allies in a personal vendetta? I'm not interested joining a feud with you.
Go back to the other thread and take issue with the words and ideas expressed in the post.
No
By JohnAKeith
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:42pm
Ron, no, you're not.
The responses to my query are typical; argue the commenter, instead of what the commenter says or asks.
invitation
By Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:31pm
Mr Kieth hasn't learned how to read the words on a page and make his judgments based on them. Instead, he must judge the person and use that information to decide whether he should trust the validity of the words. It's backwards but entirely understandable. People make assertions all the time. The only way I know how to judge the validity is to do some more reading on the subject. If you want to discuss or debate the words and ideas I express about Scott Brown's defund ACORN legislation, I welcome you to do so on that thread. This thread is about the Howie Carr boycott.
Howie may be a bit
By anon
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 10:56am
Howie may be a bit exploitative and out of touch, but he's not even at Callahan level, let alone Imus when it comes to line crossing.
howie who?
By norm
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:04am
Isn't that guy on AM radio? That's kinda like a boycott already in progress, yes?
I'm what Howie Carr would
By chrismatth
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 11:51am
I'm what Howie Carr would refer to as a "moonbat". I have very liberal beliefs. I love his radio show.
So when that post popped up on my Facebook from Blue Mass Group, what did I do? I unsubscribed from their updates. Let Howie Carr be.
How about...
By Dave
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 12:58pm
How about not worrying about a radio host's advertisers because his newspaper opinion column was [i]mean[/i] to a Dukakis judge who decided that political expediency trumps the law, and instead going after companies like T-Mobile and Toys R Us whose pitchman condones the forcible anal rape of a teenage girl?
Yeah, we should boycott Carr's advertisers!
By East Cambridge
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:02pm
His recent column on Rep. Paul Kujawski was so hateful and
mean spirited! Imagine, attacking a state rep who voted to close
a truck-sized loophole in the state pension laws, then tried
to take advantage of that same loophole at the last minute.
Carr needs to be silenced. People like Kujawski, Chuck Turner,
David Scondras, etc should be allowed to continue business as
usual, without comment or criticism by the likes of a
low-life Howie Carr.
Can a blog take down Howie Carr?
By Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:20pm
We'll see.
I think the boycott lost some steam when ErnieBochIII turned out not to be who you would assume he was from the name - the person posts under this misleading pseudonym - but there are a lot of people in greater Boston who have been unfairly characterized by Howie on live radio.
Today's story in the Herald has brought a ton of attention to the boycott. I think it will cost the station some advertising revenue and if the boycott sustains, it will cost Howie some money on his next contract but I don't know if the boycott has enough momentum to render Howie worthless or close to it.
Associating the judge with catholic church pedophilia was over the top. If it happened to me, I'd use my resources to organize the boycott and apply the financial pressure of the station.
Keep in mind that Howie
By chrismatth
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 1:55pm
Keep in mind that Howie wants nothing more than to get kicked off WRKO so he can make real big bucks in morning drive on FM. This might hurt his next contract with WRKO, but he doesn't care about his next contract with WRKO.
One advertiser down
By adamg
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 2:05pm
Blue Mass. Group co-honcho David Kravitz reports one insurance agency has stopped advertising on Carr's 'RKO show.
Mr. Keith, your slip is showing
By Tricky
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 3:14pm
BMG not knowing whether "Ernie Boch, III" is not Ernie Boch, Jr.? Anyone who's seen more than one Boch commerical on TV is likely to have that fact seared into their brain, as it would be for anyone who's read more than one of "Boch's" posts. It would be similar being duped by Cal Ripken, III or Cuba Gooding, III.
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really?
By Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 4:04pm
I bet if you polled BMG readers very few would have known ErnieBochIII was not who he implied he was.
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I think the problem is with non-BMG regulars
By adamg
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 4:16pm
Because the regulars certainly realized he was not the car dealer.
I didn't gather that. What
By Anonymous
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 4:19pm
I didn't gather that. What makes you think so?
Long-time reader, first time poster
By adamg
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 4:23pm
That would be me and even I knew the guy was a pseud. I could be wrong, of course. Only David, Charley and, um, the third guy (Bob?) would know for sure.
I guess my tip off was what
By ShadyMilkMan
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 4:51pm
I guess my tip off was what is the car guy doing with so much time on his hands that he is posting on a blog so often. If Mr Boch had a political opinion he would buy BMG and then post it.
I particularly enjoy the
By Tricky
Thu, 10/01/2009 - 5:17pm
I particularly enjoy the Herald's characterization of "Boch" as "left-leaning", just because he posts at BMG. I had the opportunity to go mano-a-mano with "Boch" during the Carl Sciortino-Bob Trane primary last year, and the tabloid's a bit off base, here.
bock vs carr
By dan o
Fri, 10/15/2010 - 3:15pm
I think earnie bock should stick to playing his guitar. Howie carr has said many things I agree with and I think many other people do also. Why do you think he has a big following? What have you done that was on your own for people to listen to you? You can bet I won't buy a toyota from you.