Alex Beam can just stay the hell out of Roslindale
By adamg on Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:54am
Will Roseliep reports spotting two coyotes at Walter and Bussey streets by the Arboretum Friday night.
They were most definitely snacking on something - maybe a housepet, maybe some Slim Jims from a nearby c-store.
The Globe's resident crank would rather just kill them, no doubt with his bare hands (no, actually, he wants to blast them with a shotgun), which mystified Roseliep:
These guys looked so chilled, and weren't disturbed by my high beams ...why kill shoot them all when they obviously just want to live a quiet life amongst Roslindale/Newton/W. Roxbury residents?
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If this is a problem, like
If this is a problem, like anything else, substantive steps won't be taken until someone is seriously hurt or killed taking out the trash.
Being reactive instead of proactive, it's the American way!
So by your
nothing will ever be done? There's only been one recorded death due to a coyote attack, EVER.
http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/coyote_attacks.html
Pets are a much bigger danger. And the way to get rid of these guys is simple, take away their easiest food source's that PEOPLE are creating. Keep pets inside, lock garbage up wildlife proof containers and stop putting the cat food buffet outside.
Oh, but that would just inconvenience so many people. Better to kill everything we think needs a killing!
Killed by a coyote? Ha. I'd
Killed by a coyote? Ha. I'd be more worried about a pit bull or walking across the parkway. Dingos on the other hand...those will get your baby for sure.
As long as most of them
As long as most of them continue to shop for their killing implements from the notoriously shoddy Acme catalog, I'm not scared-a' no coyote.
Faulty ACME products or user error?
Consider the following:
You are advocating common
You are advocating common sense steps to reduce the perceived problem. This is why it is doomed to fail.
One more
Just an FYI. Add one more death. There was a fatal attack on Cape Breton I. in 10/09. The only reason I remember it is because we were on that same trail a month earlier. Here's one link. Knowing that, I'd hike the same trail anytime. CBI is too downright gorgeous to avoid - and a great place to ride a bike.
Regardless, I say leave them alone. All the coyotes I've seen around here are very skittish when they see people. And if one gets agressive every once in awhile, we learn our lesson. If one becomes a constant problem, then you'll probably have to kill it, like bears have to be killed when they get too used to humans and the food around them.
What are you going to do, kill every animal that is a potential threat to humans? Jeez, it's the size of a mediumish dog. How about raccoons, they can be pretty nasty, too.
Remove the food sources, and they'll go away.
Hey, I remembered that attack
Hey, I remembered that attack (and was going to post about it) because I was on - not the same trail, but one just across the highway, two months before the attack!
It should be noted that northeastern coyotes are significantly larger than their western ancestors, and wolf DNA has been found in them - apparently they interbred with Canadian wolves on their trek east. However, N. American wolves are also NOT known for attacking people, so this shouldn't lead to them being considered a greater threat - unless they learn to think of people as a source of food, as appeared to be the case with the Cape Breton coyote.
Unfortunately, in an urban area, I'm fairly certain there will always be some idiot who thinks it's a good idea to feed them, so I'm afraid we will see some conflicts in the future.
There was an article about a woman studying coyote packs in RI a while ago - maybe in the Globe Sunday magazine?? - and after talking about the problems caused by people feeding coyotes, the researcher said her favorite person for coyote interactions was an old farmer who'd shoot at them - but was a bad shot. So he taught them to stay away from areas of human habitation without actually messing up the pack structure, a combination which led to the most peaceful cohabitation.
Coyotes in the Arboretum?
I walk my dog at night in the Arboretum (especially when fireflies are out). I can deal with the possibility of werewolves. They only come out during full moons and so I stay home those nights (though I've wondered why my clothes are torn apart the day after a full moon....)
But since coyotes don't depend on the full moon I do try to be extra careful. Don't want Wyle E. eyeing my pooch as canine tartare.
I also would not want any of the folks who leave their leashes in their bedroom --instead of putting it on their dog--to loose their best friends to the ferocious fiendish fangs of feral coydogs or coyotes.
Arboretum coyotes nothing new
They've been putting up warning posters for a few years now. I suspect as long as your dog's on a leash with you, you have nothing to worry about.
Stop being such a brat
MMMmmmm what is more important? A natural species or you satisfying your emotional short comings with a genetically bread pet? I have lived in the parkway/ arboretum area my entire life, I have seen over 100+ Coyotes and have never had any issues with them.
You suspect? I've had coyotes
You suspect? I've had coyotes come within 8-10 feet of me and my dog around dusk. Not late at night, not in complete darkness. I had to scoop up my dog and yell for them to leave. What if I didn't pick up my dog quickly and they attacked while it was leashed and I intervened? What if I was walking with a small child?
Meanwhile ...
I've lived with (at one time) small children and small pets near the Fells for nearly 15 years, and they never once made an aggressive move toward me, my children, or my pets, or my neighbors, or my neighbor's pets.
In fact, said children walk to school at dawn through the woods - and have startled a few coyotes in their passage just this winter. I was walking over to a recital during the last full moon and totally spooked one, who ran away from me and up the ridge.
Can't say the same for off-leash huskies, German shepherds, and other large and poorly trained dogs who have threatened and harassed myself, children, and neighbors on our own properties when they escape "voice control" on their leash-free walks.
Even said off-leash and poorly trained dogs are a vastly larger risk for your dog than coyotes, as they will not run when you yell at them and they may then attack you for challenging them.
This isn't about off-leash,
This isn't about off-leash, 'domesticated' animals (which by the way, I feel the same about).
The coyote numbers are just getting too high. In 1959, coyotes were in 3 towns. They're now everywhere. Is it people's fault? Yes - but this isn't about fault, it's about solving a problem. In 98 and 2005 a woman and a child was attacked by a rabid coyote. Most recently in 2011 a coyote attacked a toddler in Weymouth. A study last year, indicated that 9% of coyotes in the state were rabid. This number will increase their population increases.
It's great that you've had no bad experience with them, but that's not everyone's experience. I've had extremely close encounters with them here and on the Cape - as have most of my family and neighbors on the Cape. I've personally been fine, except mildly started.
What happens when it's not a 6'+ 200+ lb male and instead an elderly man or woman? A small child?
I'm not necessarily for killing them, but something needs to be done. There are people out there having bad experiences with them.
Care to
Run through the state number on dog attacks?
I guess my question is would this be a issue if it wasn't pumped up by ridiculous editorials like the above. Half the people scared to death today probably didn't give this issue one though before this morning.
Perspective matters. This really, really isn't a problem. I'm not sure if it's even in the nuisance category. And even then, there's very simple ways to fix the problem.
Instead we get some douche at the Globe running a knowingly irrational editorial to whip up emotion and page clicks. YOU COULD DIE AFTER ALL!!!!! wargabrbleee!
Seriously. There's more important shit going on. Beam deserves a kick in the balls, since that's about the level of integrity he's pushing to his audience.
Not a univariate ecosystem
So, lets say, you kill all the coyotes.
Okay.
Now there's all that food they were eating - human provided and wild. For a while, the rats and mice and possums and racoons may go back to eating cat food and garbage ... but do you think for a moment something else isn't going to want to exploit that food supply? Like, Mr. Fisher:
You do realize that much nice food won't go unnoticed by Mrs. Black Bear, either? Black bears are increasing their range yearly, for the same reasons coyotes have comeback: populated areas provide food opportunities, and now regrown wooded areas provide shelter and forage.
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I know which one I prefer in my back yard.
Would you mind elaborating on
Would you mind elaborating on what your close encounters entailed? My occasional run ins with coyotes has resulted with them being more startled than me, but frankly that may have been not-typical. Even when I was with my friends small, coyote-snack-size dachshund, the coyote ran away. This was in Dorchester, by the way. Tons of coyotes, turkeys, and woodchucks in Dot. Adds to the neighborhood diversity.
Roadkill
Wife drove by there this morning, seemed to her that there was a large Roadkill that looked like a coyote. She would have investigated further, but the kid was in the back seat.
Coyotes and cat-eating owls in Newton
A coyote is believed to have killed a young beagle in our neighborhood in Auburndale in the past few weeks. No one around here is calling for them to be executed, though ... the sentiment is keep your pets in at night, don't leave pet food outside, and, in an additional email warning that was circulated around a few days ago, "owls will eat cats."
More likely predator
Fishers are just pure evil incarnate.
Fortunately, there seem to be fewer of them about my area these days - they have competition from coyotes for prey.
I am calling for it
I live in Newton Highlands and I call for them to be killed. Executed. Murdered. Obliterated. If I want to watch coyotes, I have TV for this. Our dear pet died because of them and it doesn't take a genius to see the problem is getting worse.
I cant'tell you the number of
I cant'tell you the number of times I've been attacked by peoples unleashed "pets" in the arboretum - but never seen a coyote. I'm all for more coyotes and fewer pets
Like Rick Santorum...
...Alex Beam seems confused by everyday life
Following the Script
Coyotes appear in or near inhabited area.
Old man makes a big show of "need to get gun and go shoot them! Imma gonna go an git mah gun and go shoot dem! Why won't they just let me git mah gun an go shoot 'em 'cause I'm baaaaaad!", and enjoys the temporary rise in testosterone levels.
Yawn. Perhaps we should send some teen saggers to dance on his lawn, and run away when he yells something incomprehensible about a shot gun and he'll burn some column inches in the retelling - and leave the poor 'yotes alone.
As RHCP 1:1 says: True men don't kill coyotes.
Does Alex Beam have no shame
Does Alex Beam have no shame in pursuit of his ambition to be Andy Rooney?