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The shootout and the boat
By adamg on Tue, 03/17/2015 - 6:29am
The Herald recaps the testimony from the Tsarnaev trial. Kevin Cullen: So Tamerlan Tsarnaev didn’t have to die, after all. Gelzinis: writes the younger brother didn't have what it took to be a martyr; also tells us why the owner of the boat he was found in never used it for fishing.
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Public accessibility at the Courthouse
I went for four hours yesterday, and missed the last public seat in the actual court room by about 30 seconds. I wound up in the overflow room three floors away, watching on cctv.
The courthouse itself is gorgeous, inside and outside. And the proceedings were fascinating to watch, even from a different room. The Watertown cops that I saw testify were great, stand-up guys and we all owe them big time.
If you can burn some time before this ends, you really should go. You're paying for it, you may as well see a part of it.
Details?
How can we find out what time the proceedings take place, and so on? Is this a "no bags" deal? ID needed, etc.?
Herd of angry humans, yap yap yap
Enough with this public BS circlejerk over a (now) meaningless life. "We" don't owe anyone anything. This public scrutiny over the actions of a father-less, impressionable, dumb young kid is a waste of everyone's time & money. Lock him up and STFU about it. How many people have been shot in Hyde Park and Dorchester this week? More than the Tsarnaevs shot, that's for sure.
And how many people were maimed this week in HP, Dot?
I mean, if you're going strictly by the numbers and all. And as long as you're arguing statistics, you might also want to see how many people the Tsarnaevs murdered - I'll leave it as an exercise to see how good your Google skills, but a hint is that it's more than the number of murders in all of Boston this week.
One can argue the trial is a show trial, but, Jesus, is this what arguing with a Holocaust denier is like?
I think you meant to say "how
I think you meant to say "how many people Tsarnaevs maimed..." in your response. Hundreds. None of which would cause one to face a death penalty.
I'm not denying Tsarnaev's crimes. I AM very concerned about the unmistakable blood thirst and mob lynch mentality most of the Boston metro populace is showing towards a then-teenager. Surely we can all imagine ourselves at that age and understand how easily misguided we could've been. Bostonian's inherent anger is coming through in spades when witnessing reactionary outbursts from this trial. Cross-wielding Catholics lobbying for tortuous punishment for the perpetrator.
Again, it is much greater outrage that UHub has stories on a daily basis about murders in Hyde Park, JP, Dot, Rox, etc, yet none of them induce even 1% of the rage people feel towards DT.
Lots of us were misguided teenagers
but none of us decided to bomb a major sporting event. This is no excuse.
Also, we don't usually call a college sophomore, three months shy of his 20th birthday, a "teenager". He was an adult.
I was a bit misguided as a teen too axyz
But WTF, I didn't plan and carry out a bombing intended to kill and maim hundreds or more people. They were also on their way to do the same thing in NYC thing in NYC before they were stopped in Watertown.
I think that violent crime in Boston does deserve more attention of the press and the public, but I don't agree that this crime deserves less coverage.
Whoa there cowboy..
Most folks, at the ages of 19 and 27 or 28 who are "misguided" tend not to want to blow people up and actually go through with the plan.
That is #1.
I have been following the trial and, unless I am reading about another trial, I am not sensing the "inherent anger" that is "coming through in spades" and "reactionary outbursts". The witnesses are testifying, exhibits are being presented, lawyers are doing what lawyers do, et. al.
That is #2
I can't answer whether or not causing someone to be maimed, to loose multiple body parts, for example, and to live with potential chronic pain for their rest of their lives warrants death on behalf of the perpetrator.
But the woman who has live with 40 tiny pieces of mental shrapnel still lodged in her body (never mind loosing both her legs) might have a different take.
And how is killing people by deliberately setting off bombs
in a crowded public place not considered murder?
Arguing with a troll like this
Is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It gets you nowhere and just aggravates the pig.
Please
Actually, you don't have the first idea what the "mentality" of "most of the Boston metro populace" has. You hear some things that some people say, and you infer a "mentality" from that. You're quite likely dead wrong about at least some of those people, and definitely completely wrong about "most of the Boston metro populace". You just don't have any facts to back it up.
I'll start at the end
Every day, I walk by a triple decker a mile from my house where a mother and son were shot to death about 5 years ago. Another person was shot and lived. No one has been arrested for this. Every time I walk by, I think about it, but it really seems that no one else remembers. The fact is, these things happen. Not daily, as you claim- we've had less than 10 murders in about a quarter of a year. While there are some innocent victims, and almost no one deserves to die, most are killed by people they know.
The Tsarnaevs, on the other hand, chose to terrorize, chose to kill, chose to maim. This was not some "youthful" prank, unless the youths are sociopaths. I have no sympathy for 19 year olds who murder, and that coming from a guy who thinks 17 year old murderers should have a chance at stole.
I'm no death penalty fan, but a spree where 4 were killed and hundreds were maimed seems to be a reason for them. I would say the same for those savages who executed 5, including a toddler, on a street in Mattapan. And they maimed no one.
Name calling
Way to throw around "Holocaust denier" to try to prove your point to the masses. Very progressive and educated of you. Got any "Hitlers" to send my way, while you're at it?
Ja, mein freund!
Now, Now Adam
You don't have to let these anonymous screeds through just so you can pick on them. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Well
You are making the marathon bombing out to be no big deal. Heck, maybe the kid should get his scholarship back at UMass-Dartmouth, no?
How hard is it to not read if you're not interested?
IDK, but it's apparently a whole lot harder than refraining from telling other people that they shouldn't read/watch/become informed.
I wish I could! When I was in
I wish I could! When I was in grad school for criminal justice I attended court for a day to see what trials were really like. The trial I walked into was a murder trial. Unlike this trial, I was the only person in the rows, besides the victim's family and the victim-witness advocate. Everyone looked at me like, who the hell are you? So, yeah, awkward. I don't know how some of these attendees have the time to go to trials though. Perhaps a retirement activity?
Details
You need an ID (license or passport) to get in to the building. There is a Logan-like metal check at the door. Web site says no phones, I left mine at home. But I saw some people in the overflow room with them, and all the press had them in use. So I guess I'm not so clear on that.
There's a 7:30 am lottery for the court room seats. If you don't make that, you can go to the overflow room on the 7th floor, where there's a real-time CCTV set up. This is where I wound up. In some respects it's better because you get the full affect, but the flexibility to come and go. Once you're seated, I don't think you're leaving that court room until the judge does. Also, the TV angles and audio are pretty damned good.
(edit: Sorry, meant to nest this in response to the request for details above by lbb.)