Nothing inherently wrong. But the article makes it sound like someone who is making money hand over fist via rent on several properties is having arguments over how much of a cut of a $50 fee he's getting from artists and farm stands. Kind of like getting pissed at your kids because your cut of their lemonade stand profits isn't enough.
But the open market biz brings in a lot of people , who spend a lot of money in fixed stores and restaurants that rent space in his properties. If this spat really 'kills the golden goose', then his tenants make less, and his vacancy rate can go up.
Yes, suburban empty-nesters and stroller pushers really add a certain level of coolness, don't they? SOWA is about as hip and trendy as Attleboro lately.
When I lived in NY, we had a term for the people who come in to visit the food truck extravaganza: Bridge & Tunnel. We need to bring that term back.
And who knew that the crafts portion of the "market" even existed once it was banished to the outskirts when the "market" became mostly food trucks?
People from outside the city actually came back to take advantage of a relatively unique event happening IN the city. What assholes. I hope all of SOWA blows up and all the "bridge and tunnel" crowd goes up with it!!
Hadn't heard that one, and it doesn't make sense. It's Vermont that has cows. NH grows trees, rocks, and tourists. Though I don't know how to work one of those into a derogatory name.
(I take this personally because I grew up there, up north. We were very happy the MA crowd - both incomers and visitors - generally stayed south of the notches. Except my dad, of course.)
Hey, I wrote this and don't understand your beef. The "urban cool" line was a lighthearted jab at how older suburbanites think they're being hip/young/daring by coming to the markets... not an assertion by us that the markets represent "urban cool," which is as ridiculous as not reading a story because you didn't like one word in the first sentence.
I had noticed an uptick in pedantic corrections to vendors and customers using the "SoWa" abbreviation to describe the Sunday markets. The NE Open Markets Twitter feedwas filledwith severalreplies throughout the season instructing people to use the full (apparently Masci-owned) South End Open Market at SoWa name. This article at least helps explain why NE Open Markets was trying so hard to shed the SoWa name.
The method in which they did that, though, was so condescending, it alienated my family quite a bit. In the past the market was a Sunday mainstay, but we only visited for the first time this season two weeks ago. I fear the two new markets will split the audience and vendors and we'll be left with no markets in a few years.
I noticed that too, and found it very off-putting and condescending. I assumed it was an over-eager and clueless intern running the social media account, interesting to learn the real story.
'' The trouble began in 2013, when Nicosia’s company, GTI Properties Inc., trademarked the “SoWa Open Market” name; SoWa refers to “South of Washington Street.” Masci had earlier sought the same trademark, but allowed his application to lapse ''
You snooze , you loose. N took the trademark to link it to the property. M didnt . Thus it is secured basically to the real estate, and not a bunch of tents that can be moved anywhere , at night. Case closed, calling the Flower Market fiasco next.
Nicosia has a point...the location matters a lot. Sorry, but the Ink Block sounds super bland and--no matter how nice the future park--standing under 93 is seriously unappetizing. I hope Nicosia gets the vintage market out of the basement and over by Gaslight. The current space is too small. I never cared too much about the open market and the food trucks. I just want a really good antique/vintage/flea market. Like a mini Brimfield every weekend.
I really only care about the vintage market. It used to be pretty good and I bet it would be good again if they got it out of the basement. I liked to stop and get a few vegetables but the crafts I could not care less about.
Remember the Vintage market was thrown out of it's large 1st floor space to make room for more condos and more expensive retail (or whatever is in the 1st floor of their old space these days).
Under 93 would be nice on some of those hot summer days...
The first floor space wasn't even that great. The vendors never changed and the ones that were there hardly ever had new stock. It was the same tea set and magazines for 2+ years. Outdoors, with more vendors would be better. Hopefully the SoWa dude recognizes this. I won't hold my breathe though.
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so Nicosia thinks he coined SoWa?
reason enough to run him out of town.
The Open Market is dead; long live the Open Market.
I am a (seriously)
I am a (seriously) disinterested party but from the article I can see little Nicosia did wrong. His land, his lease, what am I missing?
$$$
Nothing inherently wrong. But the article makes it sound like someone who is making money hand over fist via rent on several properties is having arguments over how much of a cut of a $50 fee he's getting from artists and farm stands. Kind of like getting pissed at your kids because your cut of their lemonade stand profits isn't enough.
But the open market biz brings in a lot of people , who spend a lot of money in fixed stores and restaurants that rent space in his properties. If this spat really 'kills the golden goose', then his tenants make less, and his vacancy rate can go up.
Who the hell would admit to that?
That's the stupidest abbreviation ever
The Boston Globe, owned by Moguls written by Interns
I got this far into the first sentence and I bailed:
I like to play spot-the-typo
I like to play spot-the-typo with Glob articles. There seems to be zero copy-editing nowadays.
So Cool!
Yes, suburban empty-nesters and stroller pushers really add a certain level of coolness, don't they? SOWA is about as hip and trendy as Attleboro lately.
When I lived in NY, we had a term for the people who come in to visit the food truck extravaganza: Bridge & Tunnel. We need to bring that term back.
And who knew that the crafts portion of the "market" even existed once it was banished to the outskirts when the "market" became mostly food trucks?
OH NO!
People from outside the city actually came back to take advantage of a relatively unique event happening IN the city. What assholes. I hope all of SOWA blows up and all the "bridge and tunnel" crowd goes up with it!!
OMG YOU LIVED IN NY?!?!?!
You called people "Bridge and Tunnel" when you lived in NY?! Oh my God, so unique! SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE.
If you're so cool then, why
If you're so cool then, why did you move from NY?
bridge and tunnel crowd.
boston sporting events = bridge and tunnel crowd.
i am still shocked when people say "Boston is a sports crazed city."
I reply, "nope. that fandom is from the burbs and cow hampshire. not Boston."
Go Blue Jays! Go Habs!
I reply, "nope. that fandom
I reply, "nope. that fandom is from the burbs and cow hampshire. not Boston."
Sounds like SoBo's population.
Cow Hampshire?
Hadn't heard that one, and it doesn't make sense. It's Vermont that has cows. NH grows trees, rocks, and tourists. Though I don't know how to work one of those into a derogatory name.
(I take this personally because I grew up there, up north. We were very happy the MA crowd - both incomers and visitors - generally stayed south of the notches. Except my dad, of course.)
If Cow Hampshire doesn't make sense ...
There's always New Hampster.
Author of this story checking in
Hey, I wrote this and don't understand your beef. The "urban cool" line was a lighthearted jab at how older suburbanites think they're being hip/young/daring by coming to the markets... not an assertion by us that the markets represent "urban cool," which is as ridiculous as not reading a story because you didn't like one word in the first sentence.
Explains The Rebranding
I had noticed an uptick in pedantic corrections to vendors and customers using the "SoWa" abbreviation to describe the Sunday markets. The NE Open Markets Twitter feed was filled with several replies throughout the season instructing people to use the full (apparently Masci-owned) South End Open Market at SoWa name. This article at least helps explain why NE Open Markets was trying so hard to shed the SoWa name.
The method in which they did that, though, was so condescending, it alienated my family quite a bit. In the past the market was a Sunday mainstay, but we only visited for the first time this season two weeks ago. I fear the two new markets will split the audience and vendors and we'll be left with no markets in a few years.
I noticed that too, and found
I noticed that too, and found it very off-putting and condescending. I assumed it was an over-eager and clueless intern running the social media account, interesting to learn the real story.
Agreed
I think we could do a great case study on social media & brand management based upon their work this summer.
'' The trouble began in 2013
'' The trouble began in 2013, when Nicosia’s company, GTI Properties Inc., trademarked the “SoWa Open Market” name; SoWa refers to “South of Washington Street.” Masci had earlier sought the same trademark, but allowed his application to lapse ''
You snooze , you loose. N took the trademark to link it to the property. M didnt . Thus it is secured basically to the real estate, and not a bunch of tents that can be moved anywhere , at night. Case closed, calling the Flower Market fiasco next.
Ahhh, another rich mans fight
Ahhh, another rich mans fight. I never understood the love for SOWA. I personally felt like going once or twice was enough.
to each their own
I personally love standing in a parking lot waiting 20 minutes for food served out of an automobile.
Especially in the summer as
Especially in the summer as they are parked on blacktop:)
Forget the Sharks v. Jets or even
Crips v. Bloods this Hipster v. Yuppie battle will be epic.
A fight to the death in
A fight to the death in skinny jeans!
Uber v.
BMW.
Since the food trucks
are ubiquitous now, I never need to go anymore.
Am I the only one...
... Who always thought "So What?" with that obnoxious SoWa appellation?
Honk honk!
How can I be the first to applaud Adam on the headline?
*tips cap*
Owa
Agreed!
I remember this being used in an Odd Couple episode, which made me convulse with laughter. An excellent reference.
Nicosia has a point...the
Nicosia has a point...the location matters a lot. Sorry, but the Ink Block sounds super bland and--no matter how nice the future park--standing under 93 is seriously unappetizing. I hope Nicosia gets the vintage market out of the basement and over by Gaslight. The current space is too small. I never cared too much about the open market and the food trucks. I just want a really good antique/vintage/flea market. Like a mini Brimfield every weekend.
Agreed. The area by Traveler
Agreed. The area by Traveler Street under 93 is about as inhospitable to pedestrians as areas in the city come.
Me too
I really only care about the vintage market. It used to be pretty good and I bet it would be good again if they got it out of the basement. I liked to stop and get a few vegetables but the crafts I could not care less about.
$$ again
Remember the Vintage market was thrown out of it's large 1st floor space to make room for more condos and more expensive retail (or whatever is in the 1st floor of their old space these days).
Under 93 would be nice on some of those hot summer days...
But...
The first floor space wasn't even that great. The vendors never changed and the ones that were there hardly ever had new stock. It was the same tea set and magazines for 2+ years. Outdoors, with more vendors would be better. Hopefully the SoWa dude recognizes this. I won't hold my breathe though.