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Orioles player says he was pelted with peanuts, racial taunts at Fenway
By adamg on Tue, 05/02/2017 - 8:13am
USA Today reports Adam Jones is not happy with Fenway fans.
The Sox tell fans to cut that shit out.
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racial taunts
i mean boston is pretty much shit in that regard but why would you even go to the sox if brown people upset you
most of the players that give the sox a shred of hope & keep it interesting aren't white. hell, brock holt isn't even playing right now.
sad & embarrassing
one correction
no. massachusetts suburbanites and cow hampshire residents that come into the city are shit in that regard.
Remember Boston is 50% black, Hispanic, Asian, Latino..etc. when a racial incident takes place in boston in 2017 its usually ass clowns not from Boston.
- An Actual Boston Resident
ok
you're full of shit, as always
- an actual boston resident, and not one that was imported here from some shit kicker mud paradise in the middle of the country somewhere
how?
My comment about the "50%" is true and my comment about non-Boston residents coming into the city and being responsible for the racist crap is also true.
if you reallylived in Boston you would know.
So you check people's ID's to
So you check people's ID's to see where they are coming from?
the space between most racist and not racist
'Most racist' is arguable; segregated, most income unequal, most wealth unequal, is not.
Rhetorical racism is a measure of public tolerance for expressions of racist attitudes. It is not a good sign. It signals consent and desire for social stratification by race, ethnicity, religion or any other difference. It's an insult, it's a privilege, and it makes the bully feel superior.
Che's superlative-- most racist city-- is arguable but honestly both sides of the argument are losers. Being the most racist city or a racist city isn't a big distinction in my book, it's hair splitting.
Take rhetorical racism as a indicator of social tolerance of racist attitudes and put it aside. The real challenge Boston faces is institutional barriers to equity in areas like education and job opportunities. It also means more aggressively countering corporate abuse and business models that prey on low wealth Bostonians. It means recognizing the risks of relying on out of school suspensions and the affect on students pushed out of charter schools. It means a willingness to fund our public schools as well the highly rated public schools in neighboring suburbs.
Are their elements of Boston that your recognize as rhetorical or institutional racism? What are they?
So is Minihane a real or rhtorichal
dick?
k
what you say about boston being 50% non-white is true
however what you ignore is that boston is one of the most segregated cities in the country and guess what people don't statistically live in tourist areas in boston
I beg to differ. Ever live in
I beg to differ. Ever live in Chicago? I did for abt 8 years. It's pretty similar to Boston in terms of neighborhoods.
Btw, the Orioles player got a standing ovation at Fenway tonight.
It's easy to remember
shameful acts of systematic racism by the Boston Red Sox. Owner Tom Yawkey was a known bigot, and subsequently the Sox were the last team to integrate 12 years after Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier.
It must also be conceded that this was not an isolated issue. There was the busing mayhem in the 70's and plenty of other shameful acts.
However, let us not be so quick to remember these transgressions that we forget the times when Boston was proudly unafraid of race.
While Yawkey and his policies brought shame to the Sox, across town, Red Auerbach was the complete opposite. The Celtics, under Red, were the first team to draft a black player, the first team to have an all black starting 5, and the first team of any major U.S. sport, to employ a black head coach.
We are at the terminus of the underground railroad. A city based on ideals. We are the cradle of U.S. democracy, and a bastion of liberalism.
I don't disagree that Boston has endured numerous racial missteps and embarrassments. We must remember that there are achievements and advancements that we must be proud of as well.
Go forth. Love each other. Be neighbours. Be an example. When critical instances pop up like the racism at Fenway, speak against it. The perpetrator will be punished, and we can call ourselves proud once again.
Love conquers hate!
Even the Bruins had a black
Even the Bruins had a black player, Willie O'Ree, before the Red Sox.
Dear So Bo Yuppie
So that guy who can frequently be found near the Broadway T Stop and walks around with his shirt off and his Massive Swastika Tattoo showing commutes from New Hampshire just to bug you?
Okay.
I'll see your supposed Southie Nazi...
And raise you a real William Lloyd Garrison.
I take the #9 bus every day. Never seen a tatted up Nazi.
And sorry, Boston was the cradle of abolitionism as much as it was the cradle of liberty. Anyone who knows their history knows Boston isn't the most racist city anywhere, sorry Michael Che.
And I have anecdotes too-
And bona fides-
Went to public schools graduating in 86. Had black friends in school and often had to fight when caught alone by black kids I didn't know.
Shit we fought the next corner back then.
Boston is plenty racist, like all of the US and I'd say the world.
Walk by the Broadway T at least twice a day...
...never seen him.
I agree with everything you post here...this may be the first time that i don't!
Other people commenting here have said the same thing I have been saying....these racist a-holes (usually sports fans) come from the burbs and new hampshire. they are not actual boston residents.
that is the point i am trying to make. maybe people have different views on what a "actual boston resident" is. it's simple; someone that lives within city limits. that's it.
if your granny and ma grew up in dorchester and now you all live in weymouth. you are not bostonians.
- An Actual Boston Resident
Looking forward to hearing
...about the Red Sox going before the city licensing board with the threat of having to suspend beer sales for a few home games
It is
pretty much always a result of alcohol and male aggression.
Someone who is a racist awhole
is a racist a-hole whether sober and after a few drinks, hokey? And what is up with the "male aggression" thing? There are plenty of females who rank right up there with the N word calling, peanut bag chucking jerk(s) at this game.
I've been sitting
in the bleachers for 30+ years. Fighting, as well as racist and homophobic insult hurling is almost entirely done by males.
Why?
Red Sox security handled all the related ejections and BPD wasn't called or asked to assist and evidently the inspectors weren't in CF at the time to witness it, so no violation was filed with the licensing board.
I mean, not every stupid thing that happens at every bar every night gets a bar put up in front of the licensing board either. Just the things that get caught or require BPD involvement.
Except that BPD has since been called in to "investigate"
these incidents. If they determine that alcohol played a factor, then it's possible that Sox management could be hauled before the Licensing Board to explain themselves.
Thanks, Trump.
Thanks, Trump.
sorry
you piece of garbage.
pretending like this behavior & mentality is new ignores literal hundreds of years of the same exact shit going on.
http://www.masslive.com/news/worcester/index.ssf/2013/07/ex-leominster_p... massachusetts baseball fans, pre trump, doing more of the same? shocking
trump isn't helping the situation but what makes it even worse are people whining and crying about how he is the devil.
just lmao that you think trump is to blame for racism happening in boston, at fenway, of all places
sad!
E: sorry, i shouldn't have called you garbage. i should have said your post should be hauled away, as garbage. i will leave it in there so that i may be shamed appropriately for my unnecessary assault on your honor
2 thngs
Acts of overt racism have definitely increased in the Trump era. Trump and his staft are overt racists and he enables and emboldens others.
And I disagree with you. Trump is the devil.
nope
you should be considerably more concerned about the millions of people that put a person like that into office, as well as the lack of any viable candidate that was able to beat him.
trump is a symptom of something far more sinister than his comic book bullshit
Nope/nope
There was a viable candidate, and she got 2.9 million more votes than Trump.
Hillary is the greatest candidate of all time
Full of integrity, extremely likable, etc. Let's impeach the bastard.
If we get a rally going, definitely count me in.
Than how come she could not win?
n/t
Liberals all say she's the best - so she must be....
If we all band together and work to impeach Trump, we can then hold a do-over election since we all know Russia interfered......then Hillary will be in office.
It's a great plan.
The majority of voters in the 2016 election
Maybe they didn't think she was the best, but they thought she was the best for the job.
Had she lost the popular vote and won the electoral mirage, there would be loosely organized shooting of guns at everything to be sure.
Let's switch to the popular vote..
NY and CA liberals know best - I'd prefer they pick the President for us going forward.
We can make signs about this at the next rally....let's do it.
She did win
More Americans wanted her as president then wanted Trump.
Trump won because we live in a backwards country where the size of your plot of land determines how much your vote is worth.
Trump won because the larger landowners wanted him, not because he received the most amount of votes.
Did they both win?
You said she won and also said that Trump won... I'm so confused now...
Does not matter.
She and her team did not convince enough people to vote for her over Trump. She lost.
Actually she did
Unless you believe 3 million illegals voted. The reality is republicans can never win the majority again but win the election every time thanks to the racists in middle america.
Illegals did vote....
I don't know if the number is 3 million, but it's not zero either.
Prove it.
Prove it.
Thoughts? Probably just a coincidence
Nothing to see here.......
"The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.
“There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, told the paper."
Fake news
And alternative facts
Why don't you show me some real facts?
Where are the quotes/links in your reply that refute this? You must have hit "save" too quickly....feel free to "edit" your reply and put some in there.
Otherwise, GTFOH.
Thanks
[citations needed]
[citations needed]
[elementary tip if quotes are provided instead of citations]
You can enter the entire quote or part of it into google and it'll find the article for you. I was going to cite the article, but I want you to try along at home.
Let me know how it goes.
Look up the history of "more votes than voters"
You will find that this is almost exclusively a Republican phenomenon.
Just you saying it is so does not make it so.
Maybe we should all vote with plywood ballots?
Great point - Detroit is a known Republican stronghold...
On the flipside, your comment that the "more votes than voters" phenomenon was almost exclusively a Republican thing, and therefore it most likely happened the same way in this instance, does not make it so either...did you know that?
I provided one example by the way - use google to find more....although, now we know that any voting irregularities are the work of Republicans.
You should be a detective on the side (if it's not your full time job already).
Maybe we should all vote with
Why? Is Doug Bennett running for (insert name of ANY low level local office here) again?
k
she lost an election to the reality tv star inbred son of oompaloompas
she was immensely qualified but a terrible candidate for an election
Somethings never change in
Somethings never change in Dirty Old Boston.
Had Andrew Jackson not died the Yankees would never
have won and we could have avoided the Babe Ruth trade.
but all the
"Thanks Obama" comments of the last eight years for anything gone wrong were fine though right? I'm sure you typed it out countless times when you were sad that the gays got some equal rights or some such nonsense.
Also LOCK HER UP cuz #Bengazi!!!!111!!!
That Trump unleased the silent bigotry of many white Americans is no secret. Yes, these types of things happened before, as always, but there are definitely people emboldened by the fact that their glorious bigot leader was elected to the highest office in the land, so now their bigotry is ok too. Take my boss for instance, who now all of a sudden has no issue insulting immigrants while I, an immigrant, am standing right there. Never happened before Trump. While that's anecdotal evidence only there are tons of similar stories out there.
Between the dems, Independents, and a whole swath of Republicans, MOST of the country dislikes the guy, so you're gonna have to deal with people giving him shit for the next 4 years. Be prepared.
? thanks obama?
why do you bring that up like i care lmao
i'm a pretty staunch supporter & fan of president obama
like yeah, that was stupid and petty too, i didnt realize i had to make a list of stupid and petty shit when i was talking about other stupid and petty shit
This was a Boston standard
This was a Boston standard long before Mr. Trump.
I've heard plenty of people throw out slurs.......
But I've never, ever seen anyone hurl them out at a sporting event in Boston (out loud where others can hear you), especially the last few years where cell phone cameras will usually put people on blast for saying stupid things and doing stupid stuff.
I'm wondering if these slurs were before or after the game?
(I've worked and gone to about 15-25 Red Sox games a year)
well pete
slurs no, i haven't heard them explicitly shouted at games either, but you'll hear plenty of white suburbanites talking about ~*reasons*~ they avoided the orange line, none of which have to do with valid reasons one should avoid the orange line lmao
Scum, I've heard it all.....
I'm talking about people yelling slurs out in front of other people that have cell phones. (Not your average veiled racism of your average white Bostontonian.)
I should say that sounds like a lot of ejections for a Red Sox game, so it may have been bad out in the bleachers, but I still can't picture it.
Bostonian, in context
I agree most Bostonians tend to not be so blatant but there are a lot of folks from surrounding towns who aren't as liberal.
Don't know how far you go back, Pete
In the late 1980s, slurs thrown around the bleachers and out into the bullpen or field were as much a part of the noise as the hot dog vendors and inflatable sexdoll volleyball.
Never say never. But the park cracked down in the 90s and in the 2000s, you no longer have all the high school kids skipping their last class or two and driving in to get cheap bleacher tickets.
Yea I'm talking about the last 10 (maybe even 20 years Swirly...
I was younger then and didn't go to as many games.
Well, sure
For one, the Orange Line goes nowhere near Fenway, so you'd have to change at DTX and walk to the Green Line underground, which is a huge pain in the ass but less so than going all the way to Haymarket, and--
Oh. ~*reasons*~ Indeed.
Back Bay and Mass Ave
I regularly use either Back Bay or Mass Ave stations to go to and from Fenway Park. It's only a 10-15 minute walk. The green line is a mess on game day.
Or Ruggles
About the same length walk as to Mass Ave station, and much closer than Back Bay station. The Red Sox ran shuttle buses to Ruggles before and after games for a few years, but I don't think they do it anymore.
I have
I have several times. go to a bruins game where the opponent has a black player.
Go Sens, Go Habs.
You are a fraud and a troll SoBO yuppie.
And no, actually Bruins fans are probably the best behaved out of the major sports. It's probably your family members/friends making those slurs and was only you hearing them.
I work and go do about 10 of those games too and have never even heard fans say that to one another.
Lying Troll.
Go ask...
Joel Ward or PK Subban.
You've done literally zero research on those subjects...
Although that goes along with everything you've ever posted, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Troll away, weirdo.
You are a troll and a fraud SoBO yuppie.
"I have several times. go to a bruins game where the opponent has a black player."
Bullshit, sobo.
Bruins brought up Willie O'Ree in 1958, he played 40 or so games in 1961. Oh, fun fact...he was almost blind in one eye the whole time.
Our dislike for PK Subban is because he's PK Subban.
Malcolm had a rough start and is back in Providence.
But you already knew all this, right?
Here's the problem
Yes, we hate PK Subban because he's PK Subban. But how do we get at him? How do we 7th man him? He's a professional and is used to hearing all sorts of things his mother has done (allegedly). So, what else can we say about him that might get under his skin?
Eureka!
These days, the majority of morons will make racist comments, not because they actually have any particular feelings about someone else's race...but because it's a mean and hurtful thing to say and it's the fastest way to verbally knee a person in the crotch. If Adam Jones had just lost a newborn son, you can bet that the moron in CF last night would have been making dead baby jokes as easily as using the N-word.
There's probably a discussion to be had over whether someone using a racial epithet purely to get a rise and not because they actually believe what they're saying is still themselves racist in some way or an enabler of racism or however else you want to frame them. Any way you slice it, they're a shit person. But at a sporting event these days, you're much less likely to find a racist and more likely to find someone using racial animosity purely for vulgarity and antagonism and not in the old-school way that Boston has never quite fully shaken the identity of.
Good point Kaz....
Plus these were Twitter rants (most from non Bostonians from what I recall), which further proves that So-Bo is a lying sack of $@@$.
the twitter thing
was absolutely a sack of BS
I'm a Boston cop as well and
I'm a Boston cop as well and have worked countless Sox games throughout the years. I usually like to hang out in the bleachers because people are more likely to approach me after a couple beers, and I usually enjoy speaking with the crowd.
In all my years I have never heard any racism whatsoever directed at me or the players. I'm a minority myself.
This honesty caught me by complete surprise. Doesn't meant it didn't happen, but still extremely surprising.
People don't act up in front
People don't act up in front of cops.
lol probably largely true
but not so for the guy that decided to get reaaallll aggressive with me and try to use my bicycle as target practice a couple weekends ago on rt 28. i was ready to throw down but a cop happened to be right there and nailed the guy.
i exercised both my legs & better judgement and made my exit
but damn did it feel like a great way to cap a 40 mile ride watching somebody get immediately pulled over for being a shitty deranged driver
Nobody cares
In case you were wondering.
oh
i dont know, some people may indeed care about the lack of consideration cyclists get from drivers on the road
but you needn't take my word for it if you simply read other threads here :-)
No
No one cares about your own personal experiences, they aren't relevant here. Unless of course your from Cambridge. People from Cambridge love to talk about themselves for some reason.
i've lived in cambridge
my joy at being adjacent to a taco bell was quickly replaced with disdain for what was ultimately the worlds worst taco bell
:(
What surprised me more
was a BAG of peanuts being thrown at the guy. That's like $7 at Fenway! Maybe it was an Oriole fan that thought he could use a snack? Or else just a bigot from New Hampshire with money to burn? Yeah probly the latter.....
In European soccer matches they throw bananas at the brown players:
https://youtu.be/RFi9-1p1LWI?t=31s
who then might eat them for some quick energy!
Racism in Boston?
Nooooo.
Literally laughing out loud at this one. In my experience most people aren't overtly, throw it in your face racist. But scroll through a comment section on the Boston Globe or Boston.com and you'll see their true colors. Ultimately, who cares, sticks and stones right? Just be prepared for whatever recourse there may be when you do take your ugliness out into the public.
people are overtly racist
they might not go up to a latino and call him a spic to his face, but they will very overtly inform you of their opinions on them.
this is of particular noteworthiness to me being both latin & caucasian. its nice that people are so friendly to me while seamlessly devaluing and disparaging my lineage right to my face
so i would say that there is very little that is covert about people's prejudices. electing to segregate yourself (wont sit near a person, go on a train, etc) isn't really a covert act, imo.
lol at all the times i've kept silent while hearing people say dumb nasty shit that applies to me and my family
Um, this is not some kid's school playground..
Who cares? Sticks and stones? How about the person getting called the N word, Scauma? Dismissive much?
You do know I'm black right?
In any event, yes sticks and stones break bones but words are just that, words. If I were called a ni66er my response would be in direct relation to my mood at the time. If I were having a bad day, yeah there might be a fight. If it were a good day, I may look the other way. But for the most part you'd be better off not letting some prick get under your skin with 'words' that ultimately don't do much harm.
im white
so you can rest assured that i'm an authority on any subject re: white ppl and am an official spokesperson for the race
now, about sushi burritos,
No Arrest?
Technically this, if it actually did happen, is a hate crime. Instead of tossing the moron, who did commit assault coupled with racial slurs, he should have been charged. A little time spent in a holding cell may change this person's outlook on life greatly rather than be allowed to oogle the Monday night talent at the Tilted Kilt.
What's the over / under that the person who did this lives more than 25 miles from Fenway?
I used to avoid Patriots games when you could actually get tickets because it was Suburban Man gets away from his wife for the day and acts like an idiot time. There were fights in the stands, vomit everywhere, and little attention to the actual game on the field. The Pats are now hot, more demand for tickets, therefore less tomfoolery. Giants Stadium has been like this for years because the waiting list for tickets makes most of your fan base north of 50.
Fenway on an early weeknight in late April / early May has a more earthy character. It is the time of year when it is easier to get tickets at face so you have a lot of people from the exurbs / NH / Maine getting their "Boston" on. You can see them walking around town on game day looking terrified owing to buildings over 4 stories and at the presence of people darker than Nesquik cut with skim milk.
It sucks because the city collectively takes the stain for the actions of these people. Perhaps a little more magic bracelets on these people and then banning from the Park for good might help the cause.
Also, the O's look damn good this year.
the Os
the Os do look damn good & the yankees are looking pretty good too
the red sox, who by all rights should be one of the best teams in the AL, if not the MLB,
well, the seasons young still, amigos
Arrest, really?
People don't get arrested for hate crimes on the spot unless there's a major assault involved. For that matter, they rarely get arrested afterwards.
You're not wrong to blame the behavior on "the element", but at the same time, if you don't want Boston to "collectively take the stain" for this kind of behavior, you (we) need to collectively do something about it. Arrest is not the most effective tool, simply because it's unlikely to be used. Action on the spot, public visible disapproval from bystanders, is more likely to have an effect. Parents telling their kids, right then and there, that this is wrong and why it's wrong, will have an effect. Shaming people for shameful behavior has an effect. What really doesn't help is for people to feel uncomfortable and maybe talk about it somewhere else after the fact. And yeah, I get that it's always a little risky to express opposition to someone who is, when all is said and done, acting in an antisocial manner. But I think it's the only thing that checks this kind of behavior.
i agree 100% lbb
you should clearly & loudly shame any racist you see. let them know in no uncertain terms what they did was wrong and how you feel about it
in fact i say this goes double if you're at a sporting event where A) they're likely to be intoxicated and B) not alone
lets actually blend a couple of the other posts here. do us a favor and have a friend record this interaction and post it to youtube
E: lets blend another element of your own post actually, and give the parents something else to teach their kids. "this is why when somebody commits a crime, instead of calling the police, we resort to vigilantism because the results are hilarious"
Don't ever change, scum
Don't ever change, scum, you lying pathetic simple-minded sack of shit.
haha yeah
we get it. i'm not your favorite person here, and you're upset that you were publicly shamed for doing something stupid.
do we bother to delve into the irony of this or is it evident on its own
You're such an idiot
Really, how's that, cupcake? Exactly what do you think you "publicly shamed" me for doing?
I'll save you the effort: whatever it is, you're completely wrong. And a complete flaming idiot.
I don't think it was the same guy.
The person throwing the peanuts was not the guy using the slur I'm guessing.
But I agree with John that if you throw a bag of peanuts on the field at a player you should be arrested. No question about it, even without the slur. You need some sort of order and can't let that behavior simply be "a part of the game" or something silly like that.
Throwing a beer on the field with no one around? Sure, just throw the guy out, but throwing a bag of peanuts at a player should be a criminal charge/arrest.
your honor
prosecutor: your honor the defendant blatantly shelled this baseball player with his snack. it was nuts.
defense attorney: objection, my client really beaned him
Let's stick a big scarlett letter on their respective chests
Do you ever think they might be racist a-holes because they were "shamed" by folks like you and they don't give a shit? So you shaming in public them ain't going to make one shits difference. But go for it.
Do YOU ever think?
No, because that's not how racists are made. But you tell yourself all the silly fantasy stories you want.
Nailed it.
Been saying this for years. John Costello for Mayor!
- A Boston Resident
civil rights violation
If the individuals are identified they could be charged with a civil rights violation on the premise that Adam Jones while working was assaulted and had hate speech directed at him and not his white teamates. The attorney general should initiate an investigation. As far as evidence we all know someone has a video of this incident.
Jackie Bradley
Our CF'er is black, you figure he'd hear slurs as well.
MMMLBBLM
"I’m trying to make a living for myself and for my family"
"May 27, 2012 - Jones signed a six-year, $85.5 million contract with the Orioles "
85 million? At this point, I would think that racial slurs simply wouldn't matter anymore. If I had 85 mil in the bank, I don't think I would listen to what anyone in the stands said, like even to my detriment like if a bear was about to maul me or my baseball cap was on fire. I would just go home to my gold toilet and white supermodel wife after the game and binge watch whatever the hell I wanted to on my 80 inch television with surround sound.
MMMLBBLM (multimillionairemajorleaguebaseballblacklivesmatter)
White supermodel wife?
Aside from the racist overtones to your rant, it's also not true.
is 85 million
enough to feel good about explaining to your son why you're going to be treated a certain way, and sadly, almost assuredly always will be?
god damn it doesnt honestly get any better explaining this shit to a guy named capecoddah
Oh the woes!!
-- is 85 million new enough to feel good about explaining to your son why you're going to be treated a certain way, --
Hearing the woes of the 1 percenters is about as high on my priority list as what their buttkissing admirers think of them.
"Oh no I have 85 million but the slobs in the stands still call me names!! I need pills for the pain!"
....
you're a literal moron and unlike the other guy i said something bad to, you fully deserve it and it won't be recanted lmao
just incase you decide to edit your posts, as people love doing lately here:
Be stupider....you can't.
Compared to others, I'm sure you're doing quite well. Does that mean people should be able to call you names, demean you, and maybe even hurt you because hey, you have a nice house, a nice car, a good job...you're doing fine.
Jesus christ, dude
Since you're apparently the judge on this, does a guy have to be making seven figures before we don't allow him to be offended by racial slurs, or can some six-figure guys sneak into the bracket? Any other disqualifying conditions we should know about?
Jeepahs.
-- Any other disqualifying conditions we should know about? --
Yes. I am quite positive the current sentiment is that white people are not allowed to be offended by racial slurs.... towards them. They are probably expected to be offended by racial slurs towards others. I myself am not offended by any racial slurs so I am probably the last person you should be asking about this sort of stuff. I just observe and report. People dig my commentary. It brings in the ratings.
"people dig my commentary"
yeah because they're trying to bury it you farcical turd
ease up on the vodka in that
capecoddah..
couple questions for ya
so racism is bad, right? and being rich doesn't come with an anti-racism forcefield these days, does it?
because if not, your comment makes 0 sense. it's not like being rich and famous makes racism go away. people still call obama a monkey, and he was the damn president.
obviously adam jones has money and probably lives an awesome life. that doesn't mean we can just brush off hatred as nothing.
ummm...
-- people still call obama a monkey, --
People call GW Bush a monkey... or a chimp, anyway. I'd say the simian name-calling field is level unless you care to argue if a chimp is not racist but a monkey is. I don't think one is any more or less racist but GW Bush looks less like a monkey when holding a normal expression as opposed to when you catch him in freeze frame.
I see a 1 percenter get hit with a bag a peanuts and get called bad names - not a victim - sorry. The whole event is logically amusing because he can afford to rent a whole convoy of dump trucks to bury the whole crowd in peanuts and rent an amphitheatre to shout any names he wants at the whole city, but instead he calls out the public to feel sorry for him.. which is actually quite smart because it saves him money. The 1 percenters get richer.
The One Thing...
... that makes the "1%" argument interesting is this, from Jones...
That is most definitely coming from a guy who makes millions for playing a game and is so out of touch he doesn't realize much of his salary is being paid by folks sitting in the bleachers whose entire yearly pay may not, in some instances, be appreciably more than the sort of fines he's asking to be levied.
Of course, being relatively poorer than the guy you're tossing slurs at is no excuse for the tossing of those slurs. Period. But I did find it interesting how out-of-touch Jones seems to be concerning fans.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
10k fine
for committing a hate crime seems appropriate
in my opinion it is out of touch to say that 10-30k for committing hate crimes is too much. why SHOULDN'T it cost a felon 10-30k to act felonious?
are there felonies that you think a 10-30k fine is appropriate? there probably are. so i ask you, why do you rank hate crimes so low that they aren't on that list?
this is all under the presumption that it would be an effective deterrent, btw. a lot of punishments in the system don't actually discourage crime from being committed. so i say it is inappropriate only if that is the case, not because "well gee golly the fine is just too much for those literal hate filled felons to pay. 10k? do you know how many months they'll have to spend working that off!!!???"
so i ask you, why do you rank hate crimes so low...
Your response is a bit tangled - that is, you give an opinion, then make an assumption about my opinions, then ask another question that entails my giving an additional opinion, then you follow up by tying a presumption to your original argument (which is all fair, btw; I only note the order because I want to be sure any one part of what follows isn't misconstrued as being the answer to all.)
Personal: I believe in freedom of speech, including odious freedom of speech.
Words can hurt, but they don't cause physical harm (unless it can be proven that the words incited an action resulting in physical harm, such as perhaps yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.) So I'm of the opinion that yelling a racial slur at someone, while certainly distasteful and ignorant and reprehensible and any other adjective you might wish to throw in, should not be a crime. It should be protected by the First Amendment.
Surely a person who throws out as many insults as you do would have to agree that hurting someone's feelings should not be punishable by law. If you DO believe it should be punishable, I expect you'll do the honorable thing and never insult anyone again.
(I don't expect you to do that, nor would I wish it. I've been known to insult a few folks and I also rather enjoy some of your insults. I'm just saying it seems a bit hypocritical for you to get on your high horse about it.)
Now, if the idea is deterrence, you assume that a stiffer penalty will likely be more effective. It will UNDOUBTEDLY be more effective in stopping the public commission of what is considered a crime in this instance. It is very unlikely, however, to act in any meaningful way to affect the underlying cause of the problem. As other bright people have said over and over, you can't legislate morality. And hitting someone with a fine of such magnitude that they will have to pay it off at detriment to even the most basic quality of life for themselves will, more than likely, cause the festering hate within them to grow. I don't see that as truly beneficial.
The bigger point to be made clear here, in case you don't actually get it, is that I'm not taking a dig at Jones because I agree in any way with the dope who yelled at him. I was just making a general comment about how out-of-touch some athletes are. No big deal. I wasn't looking to argue, but I do enjoy one once in a while and I thank you for the opportunity.
Did I miss anything? If so, I don't care. Carry on.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Just said the same below
I missed your response when I was reading through the thread or I might have just up-voted it instead of writing a whole different response. I did feel that was very classist of Jones. It's like he can only relate to his own situation and that means "fining" racists for being racists, like we can just carve up their income freely in the same way his team can contractually with him and that the appropriate amount is the equivalent to months of salary of the average person when it equates to less than a single game for him which might change his behavior if it happened once or twice but ultimately he can take it and move on...whereas it would destitute all but the richest of the rest of us.
Really stupid thing for him to say.
No Problem, Kaz
Hell, I give you props for reading back through every comment here. And I'm always glad to hear someone else give an opinion that backs up my own.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
'bad names'
'being called bad names' is in no way the same as using racial slurs. they didn't call him an asshole - that happens at the ballpark all the time. this is what you have yet to acknowledge. if this was just some rude fan taunting a player, i'd say no big deal and we'd all get on with our lives.
racial slurs are different, and they're absolutely never okay at fenway park (or, ya know, anywhere)
Words with magical powers
-- racial slurs are different, --
Nope. They are just bad names.... and even the bad part is pretty subjective.
-- they're absolutely never okay at fenway park --
Nelly is gonna be at Fenway in a month or two... most likely singing his "Country Ass Nigga" song to fans.
That is OK. It is.
Because you say?
Because the white guy says so?
Magical power
... of power plus privilege.
That magical power where one person uses words and they are "just words" and the person they direct them to also uses words, but somehow those words "magically" become threatening and the cops are called and one person's words are believed and the other gets shot by police.
Racism isn't just words, darling - it is POWER plus PRIVILEGE.
there is a long history of
there is a long history of people referring to black people as monkeys as a way to degrade them as sub-human.
that history doesn't exist for white people.
get it?
You're a shitbag...but there's one valid point to be made
I don't care how much someone makes. They shouldn't be subject to racist taunting or objects being thrown at them.
But there is one thing I have seen attributed to Adam Jones that I think shows he's also a bit classist when it came down to it.
I've seen reported that he said:
Fine them $10,000-30,000, Adam? Come on. First off, we don't "fine" people in real life. That's what teams do to ballplayers when they screw up as a representative of the team. It's contractual, not criminal. So, are you looking for like a criminal penalty for the crime of being a publicly racist douchebag? Because the First Amendment is going to get in the way, I think.
And then the proportional punishment is 20-50% of a year's average salary? For being a racist? Sure, that'll end the behavior really quickly when all the racists die homeless. You see, when you're making $88,000/game, I guess getting dinged $10k-30k might seem like a reasonable way to change behavior, but this statement reads like when politicians think a gallon of milk costs either $20 or $0.20. Completely out of touch and very classist to come up with a "fine" of $10k-30k.
WEEI morning hosts (ratings fail)
said repeatedly over the last several months this type of thing doesn't happen in Boston, "It's a lie". Made up stories by Obama loving ( I think that means Black) ESPN hosts. I'm sure the peanut throwing knuckle dragger believes it's all lies too.
How's that poop sandwich tasting boys?
i dont mind poop sandwiches
seriously i dont. i'm friends with poop sandwiches. i dated a poop sandwich for awhile even. YOU'RE the one that hates poop sandwiches.
9th grade school cafeteria conversation
is compelling radio.
Actually
The WEEI hosts (who I despise) said Boston was not the "most racist city in America" after Michael Che made that comment. They didn't say "it never happens here", as it can happen anywhere. Nobody in San Francisco has ever uttered a racial slur? LA? NYC? Chicago?
But but but but
...butbutbutbut BOBBY said a bad word TOO!
We can't do anything about San Francisco, LA, NYC or Chicago. The fact that their shit stinks too doesn't mean we shouldn't clean ours up. Pouty children talk about the other children's pecadilloes, grownups clean up their messes.
butbutbutbut
Che said boston was THE most racist city in the country...so yes, what other cities do does matter. keep up.
Argue those semantics with Adam Jones
today.
They said Che made up his story. "Never happened."
It's talk radio targeting a specific $ demo. They believe that $ demo is the angry white republican. They tell him what he wants to hear. Not rocket science.
flavors of racism across america
idk if its the most racist. idk how that is even judged. i have properties in other states and you get a whole different breed of it in say, AZ or TX.
our country is so vast and so different depending on where you are, i think its hard to necessarily quantify some things like that. people are prejudiced everywhere you go and this manifests itself in different ways because there are different reasons & people perceive things differently.
places like detroit/metro area have an entirely different social structure than boston. or like one of my friends that grew up in dorchester says- he moved to ATL in high school and things are totally different down there, too. its all ultimately anecdotal, but i take a keen interest in observing these things and listening to people talk about them
anyway, america
So the response of most
So the response of most people here, and the burbs around Boston generally it seems, is "well I havent heard it so....." All these people are insinuating the player is a liar because they don't like it when people call racists racists. Deny the bigotry. At least the Red Sox weren't so weak.
Boston is going to continue to get labeled a racist city until the people of Boston admit there's a problem and acknowledge, instead of denying, when incidents like this happen.
throwing
i've been at sox games were i've seen plenty of shit thrown out on the field at players. But never with the added racial slur. I'll chalk that up to people from NH or western mass driving into town. But hell, anyone remember when the Philly fans threw D batteries at JD Drew?
Sox need to ban those "fans"
If a fan yells racial slurs or throws things at players, they should be banned from the park. One can argue whether it should be for a year the first time, 5 years the second,... but the penalty should be something meaningful. Getting kicked out of a game is not anywhere near enough.
Ban
How does that even happen? You can't check IDs at the gates.
This is NOTHING compared
to what goes on at football (soccer) games around the world outside the U.S. Wars have been started in Latin America over futbol matched. 'Civilized' Europeans can show us a thing or two about bad behavior at sporting events.
Yes, Europe
Where blind men yell racist things at opposing players. Where bananas get throw at opposing players. Mind you, your average Italian loves the Senagalese import who plays for his side but will scream all sorts of racist abuse at Mario Balotelli, who playing for the national team. I mean, Balotelli is a piece of work, but it has nothing to do with his race. It's just him. Underachieving, overrated, egotistical. Man I hate him. But not because of the color of his skin. Besides, he's not with Liverpool anymore.
I hope
Sox fans step up to show some class and give Mr. Jones a standing O tonight. It wouldn't erase what happened last night, but it would go a long way to show that we don't condone the ugly behavior that was directed at him.
And we
automatically believe it happened. Sure it could of. Sure it could not of. I'm still wondering why not 1 witness has come forward.
BOSTON YOUR MY HOME!!!!!!
We believe it because of the stigma
Remember the guy from SNL who said Boston was the most racist city? Whenever I'm out of town somewhere I always get the 'how can you live in that racist town' line. Now I do think that comes more from people who hear the stereotypes and not people who have actually spent time here. But the stigma persists nonetheless. In my personal experience, white people who actually live in Boston aren't that bad, but when you go north or south of town its a different story.
Seriously.
I do not use or condone the use of slurs about others. Please respectfully explain why it is accepted that a black person may use the N-asty word as a term of endearment to another but a non-black may not. I know of no other minority that will use a disgraceful slur towards one of their own race. I would never suggest that this makes it ok, but how is it any better than what happened at Fenway the other night? Serious, please. Not WWIII.
You don't know any Jews, do you?
Or maybe you do, but they know you're not MoT, so they're certainly not going to let their guard down around you.
Why do you care so much what people call themselves when among their own group? That seems to be at least as much of an issue here.
Maybe because I was raised
Maybe because I was raised that you treat others with respect whether they're in your "group" or not. Maybe that's the real issue here.
Nah
The key thing would be if black people started insulting you, but, of course, no, you have to get all faux outraged about what people say in conversations you're not part of.
I've heard little white boys
I've heard little white boys refer to other little boys as n-asty, as you put it. I've also heard women of all colors refer to their females friends as B's, but heaven forbid some man says it to one of them. Some things don't make sense, but they are what the are.
One Assclown...
...and now the old stereotypes are brought back to the forefront. It prob WAS some Cow Hampshire or western Mass hick but now the whole city is racist? It's wrong, dead wrong, but to play devil's advocate, Jones started this by saying it is a "white man's sport." Thats actually dumb bc its more a white/Latino sport. Dont start the race card if you dont expect to get crap in return, especiallly from drunken bleacher hicks on a cold miserable Fenway night where your BoSox sucked ass yet again. Peace. Everyone cut the crap.
As a person of color ...
I'm sure that you are well aware of what living with racism is like ...
Oh, wait ... my bad. I guess it isn't really racism until every white person agrees that it is. Mmmmkay. Right.
Just gonna leave this right here
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
And all your life you accused
And all your life you accused the south as being racist. How's it feel now that there is actually a reason to call your city raciat, Gaffin?
Porque no los dos?
Amigo.
??
Do you really think this is the first time Boston has been called racist (whether or not there's been a 'reason')?
You're new here, aren't you?
Too incredible to be believed...
So with an attendance of 33,489 in a confined space, with TV cameras and cell phones rolling, there were no witnesses to this? Please. Perhaps a bag of peanuts was thrown. After all, in years past, it was batteries, coins, dead fish and other projectiles. When the Bruins lost to the Senators in the final game last week, cups of beer could be seen on TV raining down from the stands. I don't think there were any black players on the ice.
What I'm not buying for one minute are the racial slurs in 2017 or that a centerfielder could hone in on them. It would require a large portion of the crowd to chime in together, similar to when fans would tease New York Yankee Daryl Strawberry with "Daryl, Daryl, Daryl" after he battled drug addiction. Certainly there would be no group cheer of the N word.
I agree with my brother officers and others who are skeptical. If someone used the "N" word in my section, they would either be knocked out or prosecuted and it wouldn't be Fenway "security" who was contacted but the actual police, who are plentiful at the park. It amazes me how many people, including the Red Sox, are wiling to buy the story as told. The comments referencing President Trump's election as the cause are beyond belief also.
But...
...but you don't have any "brother officers".
Paul
Blart?
Wrong again
I sit 19 rows back from right field. I've definitely gotten a rise out of the opponent RF player (usually with a joke rather than an insult). They can hear just as good as any of us and it's easy to be heard over the din at Fenway.
In fact, CF can probably hear you even easier because they've got that high wall behind them before the first row of the CF bleachers, so there's even less din for them.
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