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Testing out a message in Roslindale
By adamg on Wed, 11/01/2017 - 9:33pm
Adam Rogoff reports somebody was projecting this pro-immigrant message on the old substation in Roslindale Square tonight, apparently to test out how it would work for a protest somewhere else.
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Funny
Immigrants are being pushed out of Roslindale by people like this, not Trump.
Yes, as we all know projector
Yes, as we all know projector users are the ones pardoning racist criminals like Joe Arpaio and wanting to spend billions on a dumb wall. Oh and costing this country billions in revenue from foreign tourists who don't want to visit or invest in a country that is run by an ignorant intolerant trust fund brat.
Trump loves immigrants as long as they are models who have no qualms with marrying a cheeto dusted sleaze for money.
Spot on
Spot on.
That's a pretty broad paint
That's a pretty broad paint brush you're using there
Who pays for immigration
"Since 1965, we have admitted a lot of low-skilled immigrants, and one way to view that policy is that we were running basically the largest anti-poverty program in the world. That is actually not a bad thing at all. Except someone is going to have to pay the cost for that."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/john-judis-interview-george-borjas
They pay for themselves. And then some.
It is an economic fact that immigrants pay for themselves and then some. They are an engine of prosperity. While first generation immigrants may initially be a net cost as they need social services to get established, they turn into a net positive as they work and contribute to the economy, purchase goods and services etc. Moreover, their children get highly educated and turn into the skilled workforce that is driving our economy today and will in the future. The notion that immigrants are a net cost is false and I’m sick of hearing it. I’ll also point out that everyone in the United States reading this is a descendant of immigrants. Thank god the Brahmins were unable to push those people out 150 years ago so we can all be here today and our country is still the best place on earth to live rather than some second rate economy.
Tax Cuts
The GOP has tricked people into thinking Tax cuts pay for themselves but immigrants are a drain on society.
According to the actual economy data, the opposite is true.
Immigration effects are not aggregate
Only defensible on those grounds if immigration effects are aggregate. In fact what happens is cheap labor is good for rich Americans who can exploit it but bad for poor Americans who have to compete for jobs.
Picking produce
So sorry that you lost your job as a migrant worker picking produce.
Or was that your job as a housecleaner?
Garbage collector?
This is also false
Immigrants create jobs, they do not “take” them. By their very presence here and, essentially, their increase on our population they increase economic activity by inputting money into the economy through the purchase of good and services, thus increasing demand and and creating jobs. You are correct that immigrants compete for low skill low wage jobs and have some negative impact on wages for those jobs. However, eliminating imigrants would not raise those wages, as their absence in the economy would decrease the demand for the goods and services provided by those jobs, and the jobs would disappear altogether.
The low skill poverty level
The low skill poverty level immigrants are doing jobs nobody with american citizenship wants to do. It's a step up for them and is the invisible backbone of many major industries. When you apply to pick fruit for 4$ an hour or scrub hotel toilets after wealthy business men, then I'll listen to your complaints about our anti-poverty program. The collapse of the entire restaurant industry, the skyrocketing price of food and clothing, the even tighter supply of construction workers in a developer heavy building environment, all of that will be a lot bigger economic hit than letting these people continue on.
So you're advocating wage slavery?
But only for *those* people, not for us US-passport-carrying global citizens, amiright?
"Immigration" and "immigrant" are too broad a term to be meaningful.
Elon Musk, Satya Nadella, Sergey Brin, Rupert Murdoch, and half the faculty of MIT and Harvard Medical School have next to nothing in common with the guy getting paid under the table to wash dishes at your favorite organic vegan cruelty free restaurant.
But yeah, you can cherry pick the white-collar six-figure plus immigrant households and say they add value to the economy (which is true) and claim that that holds for all the fence hoppers and dishwashers and day laborers who can't be bothered to learn English (which is broadly"debatable, charitably a case-by-case situation, and practically a net minus).
We can't pick and choose who's born here, but we can pick and choose whom we let in. More of the former, less of the latter.
I'm not advocating for
I'm not advocating for anything, just pointing out reality currently. Georgia passed a law saying no immigrants could pick fruit and they lost 150 million dollar in crops rotting in their fields. The american economy, rightly or wrongly, explicitly depends on these people being here.
I'm saying that anyone whining about "boohoo america has become the worldwide place for poor people to flee to", which is an argument explicitly limited to people fleeing even worse poverty and violence than they're experiencing in their home country, needs to realize that "let's save money by building a wall to keep these people out" is going to end up hurting themselves. And that in terms of "hrugggdeeey're takin our JERBS" a lot of those jobs go to immigrants because citizens DON'T WANT THEM. Because they're abusive and horrible.
I would love to see the DoJ go after the kind of companies that are engaging in this shit and using fear of deportation to control people, personally.
So the owners of the substation displayed this?..
So the owners of the substation displayed this? Or was it the owners of the Craft Beer Cellar? RVMS?
Also, I don't think I've ever met ANYONE from Rozzie that is against legal immigration. EVER.
But the reality is that the neighborhood is definitely less diverse now than it was when I was a kid. And that had little to do with trump, and more to do with gentrification. Fact
Really?
I've lived here for more than 20 years now and, at least in my part of the neighborhood, it's far more diverse than it was when we moved in. Yes, Roslindale has a gentrification problem, but, please.
Perhaps he means a different type of diversity
I see the same trend you do -- far more diversity over than 20 years ago. But maybe he means diversity of certain group, less represented today than then. Fewer Italians, more Dominicans, that sort of thing. He might not be a fan of modern diversity.
Umm, nope
Sweet attempt to label me but, Nope. I think you are missing my point. I am a FAN of the diversity. And when was I talking about Italians? Oh, I wasn't.
"But Please"?...
"But, Please'? Is that nessecary?
Adam, you just agreed that Roslidale is becoming gentrified. Admit it or not but this is leading to the neighborhood becoming less diverse. One need only to look at the "banging pots and pans" rally, or other community events to see that it's mostly middle-aged white folks that show up. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the diversity of Roslindale. I grew up here and choose to live here now with my Family. But the very same people who are hyper-focused on diversity, are the same ones that will eventually price out other long-term residents or folks of other socio-economic groups. It's just a reality. It happens in all cities.
And I will restate, I can honestly say that I have never met a person in Roslindale that would be against legal immigration (most of us a first or second generation Americans).
If anything, I think this projector project would have a great impact in a town where viewpoints might not be as progressive. Otherwise its just looks like more virtue-signaling from inside the echo-chamber.
Love you and UHub Adam
It's a big neighborhood
Well, big enough. Yes, certain parts are getting gentrified as people are priced out of JP (and let's be clear: You're talking about upper middle class white people, because nobody can conceive of upper middle class black, Hispanic or Chinese people, right?). But other parts of Roslindale are holding their own and becoming more diverse (like near Hyde Park or along American Legion Highway).
"right?" No, wrong - who said that?
Way to attach words/beliefs to my statement. You are really stretching this one. And evidently missing the point that I am Pro-diversity.
Sadly its becoming more and more clear that commenters can't even have an opinion on the dowside of gentrificationn without being placed by other commenters (and now moderator) into some sort of racist bucket. Pretty cool.
Oh well.
I know a few of the people
I know a few of the people who participated in the pots and pans rally. They may not be natives like our anonymous Rostonian commenter, but they’ve lived in Roslindale for going on twenty years now.
It was a random guy sitting
It was a random guy sitting across the street in Adams Park testing his projector for an upcoming rally or something.
The only issue is...
who would want him?
Well,
He is well liked in certain Eastern European circles. Negotiations could involve possession of his real estate holdings.
True.
I guess Putin could find a spot for him, I'm sure.