Milton man remembered for service to country

The Patriot Ledger repost a 1997 article: Former President George H.W. Bush visits his Milton birthplace.

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Satisfied?

I hope that's enough to satisfy the fans of silver-spoon sons of Nazi sympathizers.

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Here you go Roman

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You have made it clear numerous times that you don't really care about facts and additionally make up your own "facts". But most of us are actually interested in the truth.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

And moving past Prescott Bush, George HW as a Congressman voted against the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 and vetoed the Civil Rights Bill of 1990. So I have no respect for him and never did. I

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You need to do better than that Ro

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What's your question Ro? Bush was in fact born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and on a more serious note, his father was very much involved in financing the Nazis. As they say , look it up.

Yeah, I hope people don't get

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Yeah, I hope people don't get mad at me for what my parents did or what I put in my mouth as an infant. :-(

Oh grow up

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I love it how the left gets all hot and bothered when their mistakes are pointed out. They discovered a while back that they can shut people up by accusing them, or threatening to accuse them, of racism or bigotry. They had some early successes, and have convinced themselves that it's a magic bullet, a secret incantation that when spoken to the universe will deliver them victory and power.

Too bad it doesn't always work that way.

Weekend furlough for guys like Willie Horton who were convicted of murder and sentenced to life was, is, and ever shall be, a bad idea. Saying that it's a bad idea, and presenting evidence for why is a bad idea by bringing up Willie Horton's misadventures while on weekend furlough is not "dog whistling." And anyone with half a brain can see that it's a bad idea on it's own merits.

And here's the thing. We like to think we judge ideas on their merits rather than on our opinion of the speaker. Or at least we should like to think that, and we should like to do it too.

The mental gymnastics necessary to claim to believe in logic and science and rationality on the one hand, but to scream bloody murder when logic is used against them on the other...that's what makes me treasure the American left. Endless amusement.

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The Republican Party has

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The Republican Party has nothing to offer the average American person so they resort to racist fear mongering. This goes back many decades. It's why Trump wouldn't shut up about immigrants before the mid term elections. Politicians know that republican voters are racist so that is what they try to appeal to. At least have the courage to admit that you knowingly vote the same as KKK losers that Trump calls "very fine people".

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Right after you gather up the courage to admit

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you vote the same way as anti-Semites like Farrakhan who call Jews "termites" and pal around with the likes of "Women's March" organizer Tamika Mallory and Chicago community organizer Barack Obama.

See, I can do it to you too.

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Obvious Appeal to Racism as explained by Bush's Campaign Manager

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Funny how Mr. Bush's campaign manager Lee Atwater knew exactly what he was doing with his racist appeals, even apologized for them on his death bed, yet you think you can play dumb and ignore it. You don't have a shred of credibility.

To quote Mr. Atwater:
"You start out in 1954 by saying, “N*er, n*er, n*er.” By 1968 you can’t say “n*er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract."
https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-i...

Don't be a useful idiot, Roman. Admit the GOP playbook was to cater to racism and move on.

(I edited out the n word because I don't want to see it, but it's in the link both in the transcript and audio)

See above

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Weekend furlough is either a good idea or a bad idea on it's own merits, not because of who's talking. Similarly, Willie Horton should've stayed locked up regardless of his ethnicity and Dukakis was wrong to let him out regardless of how much Greek blood he's got in him.

Republican program

The furlough law was signed by Francis Sargent, was maintained during Ed King's tenure, and was finally abolished by ... Mike Dukakis.

As usual, you're barking up the wrong tree.

A tree falls and it gets

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A tree falls and it gets mentionwithin a half hour or so , 41 passes , an ex -President and hell of a nice guy, and it just about gets a mention , a day late and short by much. What's the reason, beyond the obvious? It's still news.

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In case you haven't noticed it yet ...

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This is a Boston-centric site. Parochially so. There are a lot of major news stories I don't cover, because there's no immediate Boston angle. Are you upset that I haven't written a word about the California wildfires, the Alaska earthquake or the GM layoffs?

As I wrote elsewhere, you already knew about Bush's passing. I didn't see a direct tie between Bush and the Boston area, aside from a couple of campaign ads, at first. Yes, I'd forgotten where he was born.

If you don't want to read about stuff I think has a direct impact on people in Boston (like, yes, a tree shutting a fairly major roadway), there are other sites that are probably better. I'd recommend the Washington Post for starters.

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I also forgot Bush was born in Milton

I live in Quincy now and pass through Milton everyday. I had heard before that Bush was born in Milton but forgot until I read it in a NY Times article yesterday about his life in Houston.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/01/us/george-bush-houston.html

I was one of Bush's most outspoken critics during my college years. Yes in retrospect the Gulf War was the right thing to do. I just despised the fake moralizing of "Kuwaiti freedom" when that kingdom was anything but free. There were lots of other countries needing us to fight for freedom.... oil was the priority that brought us to Kuwait.

But I won't partake in the bitterness some of the loony left are doing now. Bush was a statesman and a good person at heart. We need to recognize good Republicans now more than ever. Bush would never pass a liberal litmus test. But that's OK, he's not a Democrat

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I disagree

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Bush was anti Civil Rights. pro pollution, and a major liar ("read my lips, no new taxes"). There's plenty more reasons to criticize him. Bush was a bad president. Just because he came across as a nice guy rather that a raving lunatic like the current Republican president doesn't mean he should be immune to criticism.

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Clinton, the Obamas and Joe Biden disagree

Not once in my post did I say Bush was immune to criticism. But the man just died, it's not the time to air petty grievances. Suck it up and wait for a more appropriate time. Meanwhile Michelle, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden among many other Democrats have come out with kind words for the man. That's part of being above politics, having something nice to say about your opponent.

But, no

Your first comment didn't explicitly say Bush was above criticism, no. It did imply that. This later comment all but says he is, at least temporarily.

That politicians refrain from criticizing their dead colleagues is not being "above politics;" it is standard procedure in politics. It leads to such outrageous situations as Nixon being cast as a respected elder statesman, when he deserved jail time. Watch for Trump to become a swell guy when he dies, regardless of what an all-around rat he is.

Did you know GM had a plant

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Did you know GM had a plant in Framingham, and Ford had a plant on the site of the new and improved Assembly Mall in Somerville , amongst other notable locations? Maybe there is linkage to the story, who knew?

That way lies madness

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I don't know when the Ford plant closed, but the GM plant closed like 30 years ago. There's no connection between the recent GM news and that plant, but thanks for reminding me of the time the Framingham selectman had to consider whether to continue letting the Store 24 in downtown Framingham stay open all night after the plant closed (because it got a 24-hour license to serve third-shift workers there).

He was the 41 st President,

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He was the 41 st President, that is impactful enough on the whole world , not just JP , Roslindale, Northern ave , or whatever else is your soup du jour that tickles your ivories. Did you know that the tree that fell probably blocked entrance to Fontaines chicken house, and that Fontaine himself was a decorated war hero?

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OK, tell me: How did you find out about Bush's passing?

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Obviously if I'm falling down on my civic duty, you must have another way to find out about the day's pressing news. What was your source?

As for Fontaine's, if you know about his military service, then you know exactly where Fontaine's was, and if you know that, and you read my Best Investigative Paragraph about the tree, then you know you're really reaching to come up with a lame troll, because the tree fell on the southbound side of the parkway so, no, it didn't block the entrance to what is now Sofia's, on the northbound side. Next time: Be best with your trolling.

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Okay it might have took out

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Okay it might have took out the Howdy burger trade, mea culpa. i didnt really find the post important enough to set my comings and goings based on it, trees fall all the time in the real world, you have to adapt without consulting the internet all the time. What I did find interesting was how you neglectged to inform on 41's passing, andIfeel it was kinda disrespectful, but hey , thats just me. My perspective is different from yours, and you are the professional here. After all , it was most news worthy ,as per the TV stations that broadcast the features. I am just standing up for the Bush, not trying to troll your new world order. Arigato !

C'mon

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Adam has previously noted, if you've been here for any length of time, that if something is getting plenty of airtime elsewhere, even the local stuff, he might not necessarily include it here.

I'm not apologizing for Adam, I'm reacting to you getting your knickers so completely twisted.

Cmon

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Adam has a family and it’s the weekend, maybe he needs a break from posting blogs to do grocery shopping or clean the house.

Public Health Perspective

Like his predecessor, he ignored a fulminating epidemic because he didn't like the people who were getting sick.

He refused to appear or acknowledge the AIDS quilt in DC - pieces of which are on permanent display in the lobby of the Mass Dept. of Public health and honor fallen employees who battled to contain the epidemic.

A lot like the morons in certain sheriff's departments who moralize about the opioid crisis rather than take scientifically validated action to contain it. Or, alternately, similar to not deploying firefighters for a massive wildfire because "those people" live in its path.

From a public health perspective, it is a gross dereliction of duty as a public servant to fail to devote resources to battle a spreading epidemic.

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Alright, I'll bite

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Your firefighter analogy is flawed.

You might hesitate to order firefighters to risk their lives if you thought that "those people" were to a man arsonists who probably started it themselves.

You could be wrong in thinking that all or even most were arsonists, and you would be wrong in refusing to give the order knowing that most weren't, but if you thought they all were, and your reasons for believing this were mostly sound, then your position might be defensible. Especially since were not actually talking about fires.

Things which Roman clearly understands

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Y'know what? Showing the man evidence that he's clearly out of his depth isn't very effective, so let's just keep a running list.

Things which Roman has demonstrated a basic understanding of:

☐ Representative democracy
☐ The phrase "silver spoon" as applied to people born of wealth
☐ Willie Horton
☐ The basic concept of racism
☐ The history of racism in the United States
☐ Logic
☐ Science
☐ Antisemitism
☐ Arsonists
☐ AIDS
☑ Alligators, crocodiles, caymans, and gharials (?)

(I left the last one in as a gift from the last time I posted this list. . It's not actually clear to me that Roman is more capable of argumentation than Eliza the chat bot, circa 2007)

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Ron, I'm surprised

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As a card carrying liberal, ought you not implicitly understand the power dynamics at play here? The sheriff is a government official. Thus he holds power. The addicts are victims.

You have a victim, you have someone in power, thus the narrative writes itself: the addict won the Oppression Olympics and is owed anything and everything by the sheriff.

The fact that the sheriff was not responsible for the addiction is immaterial; only the power dynamic matters. The fact that the sheriff has no authority over the dispensation of controlled substances by physicians under our system of laws is also immaterial for our system of laws is merely the vehicle by which the white Male patriarchy sustains itself, and thus can be ignored as illegitimate.

The fact that this thread was about Bush 41 and had nothing to do about opioids is also immaterial; proscriptions to stay on topic is just how the white male patriarchy asserts its authority. They must be challenged at each turn. I will demonstrate:

Alligators, crocodiles, caymans, and gharials. Your move sir.

You really love spewing gibberish nonsense

The sheriffs have been resisting providing treatment for drug addiction for incarcerated addicts. This has a lot of bad consequences for society, as someone noted below.

Of course, this is an excellent analog to arsonists who are also firefighters: they are making sure they have job security.

For starters

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Sheriffs have been stonewalling public health officials and even the Governor when it comes to actual TREATMENT in prisons. This is all about moralizing, not validated medical practice.

As a result, many overdose deaths are people who were just released.

The Governor and Legislature are now forcing these backward jackasses to provide these services to the incarcerated, because lack of treatment in county lockups is a huge part of the ongoing problem.

When an inmate is released from prison in Massachusetts, their ability to re-enter society is being threatened by the opioid crisis. The risk of opioid-related death following release from incarceration is more than 50 times greater than for the general public. What’s more concerning is that the threat is immediate. Fatal overdoses during the first month after release are six times higher than for all other post-incarceration periods.

https://chapter55.digital.mass.gov/