Developer says it will replace the old Shreve, Crump & Low building on Boylston Street - and this time, it really means it
The Druker Co., which won city approval more than ten years ago to replace the old Shreve, Crump & Low building at Boylston and Arlington streets with a multi-faceted glass cube, then never did, has asked the BPDA to let it go ahead with the project.
In a filing today, the downtown-based developer asked the BPDA to let it carry out the plans the then BRA approved in 2009. Druker needs BPDA re-permission because it waited so long to do something its approval ran out. It will also need to get an extension from the Zoning Board of Appeal, because that board's approval ends in December.
Druker promises that it's already locked into actually starting 30 months of construction in the fall of 2020.
Druker says its plans remain basically the same - it wants to build a 9-story office with retail and office space and a 150-space parking garage, although it says it may extend what was originally planned to be just ground-floor retail and restaurant space to the second floor.
In a nod to the changing times, though, the company says it would add storage space for 66 bicycles - and showers for workers to use after pedaling into work. It also plans to beef up the building's energy-conservation systems over what was originally proposed.
In it's filing, the company said that it was unable to start construction the first time around due to "the difficulties with the financial markets in 2008 and subsequent years," which made finding both financing and tenants difficult. Now, of course, Boston is one of the hottest real-estate markets in the country, so that's no longer an issue, and the company says it's been able to "secure tenants and financial partners" for the new building.
350 Boylston St. notice of project change (23M PDF).
The view from Arlington Street in front of the Public Garden:
The current building (not taken at pigeon-eye view):
Ad:
Comments
SAVE SHREVES!
This is a crime. The Landmarks Commission and Boston Civic Design Commissions are a joke to allow this gem of a building to be destroyed for another generic shoe box straight out of a Route 128 office park. A broke affordable housing developer in Chinatown was able to save several less notable facades along Essex Street a few years back and Druker is crying poor about enough having enough money to save Shreves. Stop allowing Boston's history to be destroyed by greedy 1% assholes. Make them cough up the buck o' five to save the city's character!
How sad if we trade the current building for this Crap Cube.
How did they ever approve that monstrosity for anywhere in Back Bay, let alone such a historic, high visibility corner on the Public Garden? Were we really that desperate for development? Are we still?
You should have seen the original proposal
Even worse.
Not much anyone can do. It's not in the historic district and a landmarking effort failed. Personally, i would have liked to see something that at least preserves the decorative cornice, but not happening.
Stand up
" Not much anyone can do."
That's what people said to me when I opposed the closing of the Colonial theater. If enough people stand up and make noise, the building will not be torn down. Show up to meetings, spread the word and fight back.
uhh
I think the statement from Stephen Sondheim probably had a larger effect.
Stand up
" Not much anyone can do."
That's what people said to me when I opposed the closing of the Colonial theater. If enough people stand up and make noise, the building will not be torn down. Show up to meetings, spread the word and fight back.
Are we that desperate?
In a word, yes
City needs to grow revenue by 3% or so just to maintain staffing. Fees, fines and state aid barely grow with inflation. That means property taxes have to increase by about 5%. The city can only increase last year's take by 2.5%. That means the base has to grow by 2.5% off a bigger and bigger base every year. Like a shark that has to keep moving or die, the city must build, especially downtown where you get the most value.
Build or die. No choice unless we add an income tax. Good luck.
Well we could always cut
Well we could always cut spending. That is a choice and would be the sensible thing to live within our means. But that would require firing do nothing paper pushers and no-shows in various departments no one has ever heard of. So instead the city will hold cops, teachers, firefighters, and EMTs hostage while demanding MOAR MOAR MOAR!
OK
So you are suggesting that the solution to keeping up with inflation that the City continuously cuts its budget every year to match? I bet you are the same person who then turns around and complains about pot holes and whatnot.
Die
or cut the bloat at city hall and the school department by 3- 5%
Start charging for parking
Start charging for parking permits. Even 20-50$ per permit would be a massive influx of cash.
Or....
We could cut spending and the bloat at city hall, as the previous 2 posters suggested
Not the way to expand
People seem to forget that Boston is geographically TINY. We don't need to "develop" in the historical downtown sections. Within a mile or two from that building are plenty of areas that could be developed with things like this without razing classic buildings -- like the wholesale warehouses near BMC, vacant lots and industrial stuff all along Melnea Cass and sidestreets where they are in the process of some development, the Newmarket/South Bay area, etc. It makes much more sense to get rid of bland industrial buildings that don't belong in a city anyway, relocate those further out (and decrease semi trucks entering the city and flattening pedestrians and cyclists), and replace those areas with city-type development, walkable streets, mixed-use buildings, transit-oriented development, and so forth.
Errr
For what it's worth, those areas are being developed and the City/State is pushing for their redevelopment.
Park a BTD officer...
...at the intersection of South Station, right in front of the entrance, on both sides of Summer st. The city is leaving millions of dollars in double-parking and "no standing" fines on the table in that one spot alone each year. If anyone was interested I could provide a dozen more locations on my commute route alone.
And were I a pigeon....
And as a pigeon I'd be sure to have a whole lot of Taco Bell before flying over it.
#crapitechture
really...who in their right mind (besides an accountant) thinks this is an improvement?
Wouldn’t it be easier if we
Wouldn’t it be easier if we asked Mr and Mrs Mallard instead of those nasty pigeons?
Uuuuuuugleeeeeeee.
It's ugly and out of place, but there's no problem at the ZBA that can't be resolved with a preacher's handshake at the BPDA.
You said it, DapperO!
Whoo--hooo! You said it, DapperO! Way to go!!
Wow
Can't they at least leave the corner building and do a facadectomy or something, clean it up, and add a few levels. The other smaller ones aren't as nice so demolish them and make up for the FAR there.
Agreed
Such a lovely piece of architecture. Should have retained the original facade and built the unavoidable glass box above. Frustrations galore.
Two obstacles to landmarking the building
As I recall from a decade ago, at least two things get in the way of declaring the existing building a landmark:
a) Although it was the longtime home of Shreve, Crump, and Low, it's not the company's original home (nor its current home)
b) The façade is not original, because the building was truncated several decades after it was built, to allow for extension of Arlington Street (which long ago ended at Boylston Street).
You
Have to be fucking kidding me. I can't believe how fucking ugly that is. It literally looks like a fucking parking garage. We simply have got to find a 360 degree plan at the local level for preventing this bland bullshit
If Walsh's administration
allows the Shreve, Crump and Low building to be torn down it seals its fate as the most ineffective administration this city has seen.
Already approved
A decade ago.
By Menino.
Times change, permit expired
The developer is set to make oodles of money off this and city can and should insist on more than hideous glass box.
350 Boylston Street
The developer might make money...he might not. It's a very risky business - where the downside is the loss of millions of dollars; your lead tenant could go bankrupt during construction, interest rates rise, etc. It's not a sure thing. The profit is at the end of the deal, and it can be razor thin. Druker is considered, by his peers, to be one of the most capable and thoughtful developers in Boston. He also gives back in many ways including financially supporting the park in Post Office Square, The Rose Kennedy Greenway, The GSD at Harvard and The MFA. I'd say we are fortunate to have the likes of Ron Druker in Boston.
Current View
Current View
Oh, christ!
They're going to replace this current building with an ugly, all-glass building? How stupid can they get? That is ludicrous!
If approved (again), I wonder if the MBTA
will open the entrances to Arlington Station at Berkeley Street during construction.
Since there were improvements to the Berkeley side of the infrastructure for when the Arlington Street entrance was closed for renovations and a new elevator a decade or so ago, perhaps this time they will allow it to remain open permanently.
Needs elevators on that side
Needs elevators on that side of the station to reopen. That would cost millions and Druker is a miser.
ZBA can't resuscitate
Timely issue-
Despite what the media reports related to the John Lynch ZBA scandal -if variances have expired, they can't legally be brought back to life. How many developers have gotten extensions for expired approvals? Should be part of the Walsh investigation.
Druker will have to reapply.
They haven't expired
I don't know about the BPDA process, but the developer still has active variances from the ZBA - they run out in December. Now, those variances have already been extended at least twice (maybe three times, I'd have to re-read the notice of project change linked above), but there's nothing that says the ZBA can't just keep extending an active variance.
And then the question is
who was influential in extending the variance? Anyone that's been in the news lately perchance...?
This is absolutely ludicrous!!
Why the hell do they have to build more all-glass buildings that they can't even keep the panes of glass from falling out of and possibly injuring and/or killing a person who just happens to be walking through there? Not withstanding the fact that it's ugly, someone could get hurt or possibly killed by falling glass. No joke.
That happened a great deal with the new John Hancock building, and it took them a long time to stop the mirrors from constantly falling out.
Try using the 21st C for some examples
It's been quite a few years since the glass was falling from the 200 Clarendon Street [formerly the John Hancock Tower] -- the building was completed and occupied in 1976. Construction had begun in 1968 and then was halted when the windows began falling shortly after they had all been installed about 1972.
I was an undergraduate at MIT during the majority of the time the window problem and the temporary solution of plywood panels were in effect. From my dorm on the other side of the Charles, you could occasionally see a falling window -- or rather a flying window. However, despite a lot of windows falling -- no one was ever hit by a flying window. The cause of the falling windows was eventually worked out and a new replacement window design developed and tested and then installed*1 -- to date it has worked.
On the other hand several people in Boston and Cambridge have recently been hit by falling masonry -- there is no easy systemic fix for that problem.
You can certainly argue that the presence of a glass box at that location is inappropriate -- but to condemn it because of the risk of falling glass --- have you been to Seaport Blvd. in South Boston in the past decade? Outside of the now 30 years old John Joseph Moakley United States Courthouse [1999] whose harbor-side is a dramatic glass curtain wall while the Seaport Blvd side is masonry on a steel frame
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/2017_Moakley_U...
the historic Commonwealth Pier Headhouse [1901] the historic Fish Pier buildings [1914] both of which are reinforced concrete a with masonry exterior and the 3 buildings of Seaport Center constructed by Fidelity in the 1998-2000 [masonry cladding on a steel frame] -- everything is now clad in glass curtain wall.
for some examples
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/20...
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/52cb2c35e4b0e40096e744a3/1...
https://www.usa.skanska.com/globalassets/externalcontent2/project/101-se...
http://www.pier4boston.com/office/office-gallery.php
https://www.ptc.com/-/media/Images/Redesign/Blogs/121-seaport-at-night.j...
https://www.connect.media/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Bos_MassMutual.jpg
its the wavy one in the middle
https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2018/11/Boston_SeaPort_Amazon_T...
The above represent 3 generations of glass curtainwall buildings in the Seaport from finished and occupied to just under construction. These buildings are designed by a number of well-known architectural firms and constructed by well known general contractors and owned by well-known and well healed developers or investors with very well-known and successful tenants from diverse business sectors all with substantial reputations to protect -- No Concern of falling glass
If you don't like the idea of Drucker's Box -- use something other than falling glass as your argument -- I'd suggest -- "it still looks as if it was designed around 2008 -- how about something more current -- maybe something appropriate for the 3rd decade of the 21st C?"
*1 from the wiki article
*2
from When Bad Things Happen to Good Buildings
by Thomas A. Schwartz, PE, is president of Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Inc. in Arlington, Massachusetts. He was a principal investigator of the glass breakage at the John Hancock Tower and is a frequent lecturer and author on issues of building envelope performance.
http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0425/building_3-2.html
KL
Used to work there with Karmaloop; great building to view from the outside, but it is literally and figuratively falling apart from the inside.
Shame it couldn’t be gutted to save the Art Deco architectural integrity. Regardless, lots of great memories at ol’ 330 Boylston, and I’m almost positive there are boxes of streetwear and ghosts of parties past still living on the upper floors, haha.
LOL They get construction underway
just in time for the NEXT financial crisis. By the time their monstrosity id finished there will be no one with the money to move in. This is A+ tomfoolery right here....
Or worse...
...we get stuck with a hole in the grounds for years.
Shreves building is ugly...
And the real crime is we're not building even taller (or focused on actual quality of life issues).
All glass buildings contribute to climate change
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/28/ban-all-glass-skscra...
Shreve Crump and Low Building
WE MUST do Something....IF Jackie O could save Grand Central we can save Shreve's....Let us get together...NOW!!! Save our Heritage!!!
http://www.nypap.org/preservation-history/jacqueline-kennedy-onassis/
350 Boylston Street
I like the building design. It takes into account its setting; it gives relief and reflects vs. overpowering. I like older buildings and think some should be preserved. However, design evolves and, in part, has to answer to today's demands from tenants and what the marketplace dictates. Ron Druker is a thoughtful and skilled developer with a very good eye for design. Just look next door at The Heritage on The Garden. He doesn't just accumulate his profits - he gives back; The Harvard GSD and The MFA.