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One man's idea for fixing the Boston housing shortage: Triple deckers times two

A proposed sextuple decker

Jack Treanor offers up a modest proposal: Sextuple deckas.

The idea is not quite as outlandish as it seems, aside from the question of where to put the elevator.

It turns out the BPDA and local architects have been putting serious thought into the use of "mass timber" - essentially large, strong sheets consisting of several wooden sections laminated or otherwise connected together. They say that not only would allow for even larger or taller structures the current cookie-cutter wood "stick" construction atop steel "podiums" that are the norm for five- and six-story residential buildings these days in Boston, mass timber simply means dramatically lower carbon footprints than steel and concrete.

Boston currently has one mass-timber building - a seven-story, 34-unit apartment building at 11 East Lenox St. in Roxbury.

The BPDA now has a Mass Timber Accelerator program to try to spur more mass-timber buildings.

Over the past couple of years, the BPDA and the Boston Society of Architects have given out a series of $25,000 awards to architects considering the use of wooden construction in everything from a nine-story, 300-unit residential building at the Mary Ellen McCormack project in South Boston to a 24-floor residential building in Charlestown.

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Prayers for the movers.

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Yikes

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Woahhhh buddy calm down think of the kids!!! Any idea the shadows it's going to generate between 11am to 1115 in June.... unbelievable you think this is Manhattan or something

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With a view!

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Good idea but what is the minimum height before elevators are mandatory ?

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Curious if there is any. Ask anyone whose lived in Manhattan there are plenty of 6th floor walkups with no elevator.

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Literally hundreds of 4,5 &6 floor walk ups in Boston. The North End is filled with them. As is the South End.

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Those were all built before things like the ADA which forces actually accessibility in buildings nowadays (which is very much a good thing).

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...who thinks that building might be less than stable in the face of a hurricane?

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You can build some pretty tall buildings out of wood. Plenty of examples around the world.

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This isn't meant to be taken seriously. You must not live in the physical world.

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Considering my triple decker that I live in sways during high winds.. yeah I don't think going more than 3 stories is a good idea with only a wood structure.

Even triple deckers that are gutted, reinforcement supports are added because it is not enough.

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The wood/glue composite is quite strong.

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In before "WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PAHHHK??!!"

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Just get one of those 6 car stackers.

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Is there an ADA entrance in the back as those stairs aren't accessible!

And similar to mass timber CLT ( Cross Laminated Timber) is gaining traction.

The firm I work for completed 69A street a few years ago using CLT to add floors onto an existing building. It's commercial not residential and except for the ground floor sitting empty sadly.

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Residences don't need to be accessible compared to commercial lots. The only requirement is there does have to be a back door (or rather, two separate stairways to exit the building)

Though if this was happening in reality instead of being a joke, the Zoning Board would probably demand higher standards for an easement. Though usually this takes the form of sprinklers and better fireproofing, and not in the form of meeting ADA.

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Which is to let somebody use your property for something, but probably at least a variance for height, since many of the residential areas where something like this fantastical beast might be built are zoned for 35-foot maximum heights.

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The reason we have so many three-deckers in Boston is that, in the early 1890s, the city adopted a new building code that prohibited any wooden buildings over three stories tall. I believe this was for fire safety reasons.

At the same time, apartment buildings with four or more units were legally defined as "tenements", which required all sorts of special permitting.

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Many triple deckers were multigenerational family housing.

Elders on the first floor, families on the second and third. Sometimes three generations, or elders with their kids on the higher floors.

I've heard people from larger families speak of mixing all the cousins up and assigning the bedrooms in the units by age and gender, regardless of which set of parents they belonged to! So the younger boys in one room, younger girls in another, teen girls in a third, teen boys in a fourth, etc.

Seems like it could solve a lot of issues if we got rid of single family zoning across the state so people could have family nearby but with their own spaces.

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When I was a kid the triple decker was a version of affordable housing just like this... one member of the family would buy one and would rent to other family members. Now many triple deckers have been sucked up by investors and others cut into condos. There aren't many people willing to buy a triple decker for 1.2 million or more and then living in it and renting it out to family for low rents. Too many people have swallowed up the triples to finance their own lifestyles in the suburbs. So not only do they have to pay that high mortgage back but they need to make money off of it and pay for their own mortgage. All this on top of maintaining these aging structures.

My parents were very working class but bought a two family on the same street as other family members that owned triple deckers. In my house my grandfather lived in my parents second unit for a subsidized (heavily) and child/animal care assistance, I don't remember ever having a non family babysitter in my life. It was always family and normally my grandfather. Then down the street my great uncle owned two triple deckers he formed into a little complex with a shared yard where my mother grew up with all her cousins. So as kids we would always visit the complex during the summer to go swimming and hang out with family. My other great uncle on the other side of the family owned a triple decker next door so my grandfather would often walk us to the complex with the pool on his way to visiting his brother. When I moved out I avoided living there but ended up renting down there for a few years and it was mostly family until about ten years ago. But for the most part everyone was working class and were able to live social vibrant lives because one family member managed to cobble together enough to buy the property and live on site. They just needed to subsidize their own unit, they didn't need to prop up a huge house in Newton or Swampscott.

One thing I'd say we need to do more of is finding ways to get owner occupied control over triple deckers and two families in high rental areas. Landlords are very different when they live on site, even if they don't rent to family. I actually prefer this to the triple decker condo because I just think that's too small of an association to really function well and the update costs are hard to cut up, imo condos are better suited in larger structures. As is investment, I live in an apartment complex now under one ownership and that makes sense. There are a lot of capital costs and they seem capable of figuring it out without raising rents too much.

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I actually prefer this to the triple decker condo because I just think that's too small of an association to really function well and the update costs are hard to cut up

I'm the treasurer for my condo association in a triple decker.

This is exactly right. While a smaller association means things are casual and less formal. (and less drama), we're facing a large siding job for the exterior. Its going to cost us over 100k to have this done. Split between three people, 33k isn't a chunk of change to laugh at. Im going to have to get a home loan to be able to afford it.

But then again on the flipside, a single owner means that entire cost would have to swallow the entire cost, and that might delay it actually happening. (a few Triple D's in my neighborhood are single owner and its clear they dont have the $ to redo their siding)

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Lots of relevant historical background on this here ("Three-deckers of Dorchester : an architectural historical survey" published by the BRA in 1977): https://archive.org/details/threedeckersofdo00krim

Really interesting historical read if you're into that sort of thing.

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I love it! Probably a lot of stairs to get to the top floor though!

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People who want to stay in the City can’t afford to buy property in the City. For years people said build more housing and the prices will come down. Well surprise! Prices have gone up.
So please stop this bs.

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The problem lies in the rental markets more than anything.

But do notice that interest rates have soared, closing off home ownership as an alternative.

You want simple answers. This has no simple answer, but the reality is that supply is not keeping pace with demand - and the "more housing built" in Boston is a total drop in the bucket compared to what is needed.

And that goes for transit needing to be fixed and built and also for the state to override snobzoning nimbies in the suburban areas, too.

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Did you ever consider the other variable in the equation? That being the fact that the region and the city itself have added tens of thousands of people over the past decade plus? The housing built over that time basically kept up with population growth. Do this. Kill the economy. Then nobody will want to move here for work which they've been doing all this time. Not to mention all the college students who used to come here and then bug out after graduation who are now electing to stay. Supply and demand is like gravity it's a demonstrable force that you can't ignore. Check your priors

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It's not that no housing has been built, but the numbers are staggeringly small. As long as more people want to live in Boston than there are available units, prices will not come down. And because the problem is regional, the solution must also be regional. It's not just Boston that has to build lots more housing. It's also Newton, Dedham, Weston, Framingham, etc.

But fundamentally, the very worst thing we could do is not build, which is what a lot of people unfortunately support.

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THAT'S a pecker decker

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Square foot costs for building housing units versus the cost for creating a parking spot doesn’t compare to the square foot costs of renting or buying a parking space over a housing unit.

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needs rusty gas grills on every balcony.

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