The MBTA confirms a bicyclist died after a collision late this afternoon near the intersection of Huntington and South Huntington avenues. MBTA spokesman Joe Pesaturo said "an active investigation" is underway by MBTA and Boston police. Channel 4 reports it appears the still unidentified bicyclist tried passing the bus on the left, lost control, then slipped under the bus.
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Pedestrian on bicycle?
By Ron Newman
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 7:10pm
Does this mean he was walking his bicycle when the bus hit him?
The worst
By massmarrier
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 7:10pm
Damn, Channel 5 reports a 39 struck and killed the cyclist. EMTs confirmed, but no details yet.
Post updated
By adamg
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 7:19pm
Still no name or cause of crash, though.
Cyclist named
By massmarrier
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:09am
The Herald reports that he was Eric Michael Hunt of Mission Hill, 22.
There is still an oddment here though. All the reports so far refer to the cyclist hitting the side of the bus near the back. Yet, everyone seems to agree that the biker was ahead of the bus. So of course, if the bus overtook the cyclist, the bus hit him and not the other way around.
Is this the T trying to parse the wreck and shift responsibility entirely not Hunt or just some sloppy reporting?
Latest version
By adamg
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 12:14pm
From Channel 5, which reports his bike got stuck in the tracks:
Accuracy, anyone?
By massmarrier
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 12:38pm
Yeah, it probably was just more sloppy, unedited reporting in print and broadcast.
By cracky, when I worked newspapers, not only did we have to put everything important in the first paragraph of 35 words words or less, but we had skilled editors. If we left out any of who, what, when, where, why and how, or even put them too low in the piece, we'd have to fix it and hear about it.
How could all those writers have Eric Hunt extracting his bike from the track, only to have the bus round the corner and him "hit" the back of the bus is beyond me. We're supposedly in a visual age; they should have seen what was possible and reasonable.
multiple witnesses said he was stuck in the tracks
By Brett
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 1:17pm
....and that the bus came along and struck him.
Perhaps someone could explain how the fuck it is that the 39 bus couldn't stop in time- and why the driver isn't in jail right now. here is almost exactly where the cyclist was hit. Notice how far away the turn is?
Why aren't the State Police / AG aren't investigating instead of the MBTA'S OWN EMPLOYEES? Hello, conflict of interest? Just look at the goddamn quotes from the MBTA spokesliars that claim the cyclist struck the back of the bus. HE WAS STATIONARY IN THE ROAD, IN BROAD DAYLIGHT.
The MBTA is such a disaster that you can't even escape its safety problems by not riding it! But hey, SAFETY IS THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
I wonder what this security camera captured.
Let me guess...the cyclist
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 7:50pm
Let me guess...the cyclist blew threw a red light.
Let me Guess ... the bus
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 9:14pm
Let me Guess ... the bus ran a red light or failed to yield on a turn or right hooked the cyclist.
If you read this blog often, you'd know about how cyclists have been documenting misbehavior by drivers on that route who think they can just pull out when the light is red and it doesn't count somehow.
i was on the 66 bus around
By jeffclifford
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 4:57pm
i was on the 66 bus around that same spot once and the driver was driving right behind a cyclist by maybe 3 feet. i asked the driver what he would do if the kid in front of him hit a pothole and crashed. the drivers response was "then he gets killed, its not my problem he should be on the sidewalk"
obviously ignoring the fact
By anon
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 12:01pm
obviously ignoring the fact that it is illegal to ride on the sidewalks in Boston... I hope this leads into an investigation of the MBTA system as a whole. Tragic accidents like this one should not occur
Can I get a cite for that?
By mike
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 2:02pm
Can I get a cite for that? The official city website says it is explicitly legal outside of "business districts."
http://www.cityofboston.gov/bikes/laws.asp
Your call
By massmarrier
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 4:06pm
Hardy har. There's the trick. There's no definition of business district. Except for the most obvious, it's a wild card. Does one bodega on a block make it one?
In legal terms, Boston's regulation derives as nearly all other municipalities' do from commonwealth general laws. Look to Chapter 85, Section 11. There you see the model phrasing -- "bicycles may be ridden on sidewalks outside business districts when necessary in the interest of safety, unless otherwise directed by local ordinance. A person operating a bicycle on the sidewalk shall yield the right of way to pedestrians and give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any pedestrian."
That brings up delightful images of Elmira Gulch or such ringing the handlebar bell.
Oh, and it's not quite as silly and archaic as the $1 fine for jaywalking, but the max fine for violation is $20.
Isn't "business district" a zoning category?
By Ron Newman
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 4:09pm
Somerville has a similar law against riding bicycles on sidewalks in business districts, which I think coincide with the CBD (Central Business District) and NB (Neighborhood Business) categories in the zoning code. It's pretty easy to understand that Teele Square, Ball Square, Davis Square, Union Square, and Magoun Square are business districts, as is Broadway in East Somerville.
Not for purposes
By massmarrier
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 4:31pm
of transportation law.
Look to Chapter 90, Section 1. It includes a vague formula with a veneer of specificity -- "Thickly settled or business district", the territory contiguous to any way which is built up with structures devoted to business, or the territory contiguous to any way where the dwelling houses are situated at such distances as will average less than two hundred feet between them for a distance of a quarter of a mile or over.
Yet if you drive around MA, you find signs THICKLY SETTLED in what seem pretty rural areas. In those cases, that means the speed limit defaults to the commonwealth's 30MPH for inside municipal limits, even where those are not. It's a fungible definition. I'd bet if you ask a city cop, he or she would tell you it's "common sense," which means, "I'll let you know what I think it is, if necessary."
why does that have to be the
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 1:03am
why does that have to be the assumption?
if you ride a bike in boston....
By Eric
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 7:58pm
you know how little regard any of the mbta buses have for cyclists. my guess is that it was an inexperienced rider out on a nice sunny day bike ride and they unfortunately fell victim to the mbta bus's all-to-regular careless driving. my thoughts go out to the family of the victim, hopefully their death with not be in vain and serve as a catalyst for change in boston's streets, which are notoriously dangerous for cyclists.
You are just plain WRONG!
By Anthony
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 9:35pm
for you to say that mbta buses have little regard for cyclists. Not only do you not know how strict the mbta is with its drivers, you fail to realize that the majority of bicycle-auto accidents or fatalities are caused by other vehicles. I have been a commercial driver for almost 20 years, averaging about 50 hours per week of driving and can tell you that I have observed countless cyclists doing really stupid things out there. I can tell that so many believe that it is okay to leave their safety in the hands of motorists and many fail to realize that the reality is that autos and bicycles are not a very good mix regardless of all the traffic rules out there. I have observed many cyclists, including on street bike paths, not keeping a straight line and coming way too close to vehicles from behind that they can't see because their bikes do not have any rear view mirrors. I have also seen many cyclists wearing headphones while riding. C'mon, you have no idea what you are talking about.
mbta drivers
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:11am
I ride a bike and take a bus. I see a lot of bad operating on both sides, but the mbta drivers have licenses and carry more responsibility. I am a conscientious bike rider and have almost been hit numerous times by the mbta. Over all I think there drivers are terrible and the management sucks while prices keep rising and service continues to fail.
I've been riding for a long
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:08am
I've been riding for a long time and i have to agree that there are a ton of idiots on the streets of boston who think they can ride a bike way better than they actually can.
i am willing to bet the train tracks on on that corner play a big part in that. A lot of people go otb because of those.
if you read my blog...
By Grim
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:49am
As someone who has been hit twice and repeatedly menaced my MBTA bus drivers I can safely assure you that you are entirely incorrect in your observations. Both times I was hit by MBTA drivers, it was because they overtook me on a clear road and, while NEXT to me, pulled sharply to the right to enter a bus stop with out looking out for me in their rear view. I was in the bike lane both times, clearly visible to the driver before they overtook me. In the instances in which I have ALMOST been hit, it was because I was stopped at a red light, and as I began to proceed after my light turned green, an MBTA bus ran the intersecting light. You can clearly see it on the video included in the news story I understand that cyclists are guilty of negligent actions on the road much of the time, but I assure you I value my life enough to not be among them, and the fact that I have been so menaced clearly proves that much of the blame lays with the MBTA driver's inattention and carelessness.
Another 66 Cowboy
By massmarrier
Fri, 04/09/2010 - 5:41pm
In light of the death and major injuries, my experience yesterday seems trivial. Yet, a 66 driver ran me into Route 9 traffic just a little over a block from where Eric Hunt died. You'd think that even the most callous of the MBTA drivers wou have a bit of thought after that horror.
I suppose I should have taken down the bus number and reported it. This has happened so many times, I doubted that doing so has any effect.
In this case, about 1:40 p.m. at the stop where Huntington turns into 9 at the end of Boylston by the Riverway, I was feeling good -- and safe -- after a left from South Huntington. I had arrived at a parting-of-the-Red-Sea moment as the light changed in my favor. Then when I was almost to the middle of the stopped bus, the 66 floored it from the stop without signaling or yielding to me in the right lane. I assume the driver didn't even look. Only my defensive biking and quick reactions for an old guy kept me whole. In retrospect, the 66 could have clipped me and driven me under the rear wheels. I guess the T could report that it was my clumsiness for falling under the bus.
As it was, I could see were the cars where from my side mirror and was able to stay out of their way as well as the bus' by suddenly making my own lane in the middle on a dotted line. It was a nothing event in many ways, but it could have been serious or fatal. The bus driver was reckless and a scofflaw.
Yup, I should have taken the particulars and followed through. I promise myself to do so in the future. I always have pad and pen.
Yeah -- have been all but run
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 8:52am
Yeah -- have been all but run off the road by MBTA buses, caught up & tried to talk to the driver, and then have them yell at me for "being in their way".
In fairness, some MBTA drivers are perfectly responsible drivers, but that's far from universal.
T driver's record
By adamg
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 8:20pm
From Pesaturo: "29-year old bus operator with 2 years of service. Good driving record
with no violations for safety or driving."
It's an awful thing what that driver must be going through.
By btc
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 8:26pm
My heart really goes out to the guy. And, of course, the friends and family of the poor person killed.
I really hope instead of just
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 8:29pm
I really hope instead of just shrugging at this death as random, somebody does something to make that intersection safer. As a cyclist I always feel like I'm going to get killed there, especially since, right where the turn lane is located, the trolley tracks are part of the road and just the right width for road bike tires to sink into.
When I think of why I don't
By btc
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 8:41pm
When I think of why I don't bike, that intersection is what's on my mind.
When I lived down on the
By cera
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 9:55pm
When I lived down on the other end of S Huntington and biked to work in Brookline, I'd get off my bike at this intersection and walk it across. I have seen waaaay too many people blow that light or pull in the wrong lane for a turn etc. At least if I'm waiting for a cross signal, there's a little more hope the drivers are paying attention.
Side note for all those who will insist that the bicyclist is at fault and the driver did nothing wrong: This is the same route where I was on a bus that got hit by a train because the driver wasn't paying attention enough to see it coming. If the drivers aren't even paying attention to the fucking trains, then can we expect them to pay attention to the bicyclists?
"Side note for all those who
By btc
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:32pm
"Side note for all those who will insist that the bicyclist is at fault and the driver did nothing wrong: This is the same route where I was on a bus that got hit by a train because the driver wasn't paying attention enough to see it coming. If the drivers aren't even paying attention to the fucking trains, then can we expect them to pay attention to the bicyclists?"
I mean, that would be a pretty damning point if the same driver drove all the trips on that route everyday, from the time of you anecdote. So, by your logic, I present the following: One time I saw a guy on a bike, and GET THIS. HE WAS RIDING WITHOUT HIS HANDS! They were just hangin' there by his sides! Can you believe that? No wonder this guy died today! So, I think we can all agree that it was absolutely the biker's fault. Yep. I'm convinced. And, by (for some reason) assigning blame (with no reason) in this tragic accident, I feel better about myself.
Good work!
That's what they told ME...
By Grim
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:51am
When I called about the driver that hit me and then refused to stop and give me their info, or even OPEN THE DOOR and speak to me, the representatives I spoke to told me "she has been with the MBTA for 19 years and we are confident in her abilities as an operator." Don't believe them.
Bicyclist dead after collision with 39 bus on Huntington Avenue
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 8:20pm
I was there - it was a clusterfuck. They closed the whole intersection down and would not let anyone, even on foot, get from Huntington to South Huntington. Most of the people on the actual bus and the T had to walk through alleys just to leave the scene. I ended up walking from the scene to Forest Hills as there is still no outbound service (as of 20 minutes ago). Police were everywhere.
39 rerouted
By eeka
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 9:27pm
I saw a bunch of them at Rox Xing, presumably going down Columbus to Heath or Centre.
Death Buses
By BlackKat
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 9:40pm
I can not count the number of times both the 39 and 57 buses have nearly pancaked me. And the 66 and 1 buses are nearly as bad.
The drivers of them are usually deliberately obtuse as they will angrily honk or swerve at cyclists as they pass them with little to no clearance then right as they pass you they dive into the curb which, if you are fortunate enough to survive without getting cheese gratered between them and a parked car, leaves you trapped on the inside of the angled bus.
Frankly there is no room for buses, or anything else that fat, in the city. The MBTA should have restored the A and E lines as they were supposed to and eliminated the buses. This could have been done by banning all parking on those routes and using their out of work snowplows in the summer to remove any illegal parkers. Thus allowing for trolley service and still have room for a bike and car lane.
I hate to throw my hat into
By btc
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:06pm
I hate to throw my hat into the BIKERS V. DRIVERS flame war because both sides are equally misguided, belligerent, and, you know, blinded by allegiance. As one who neither drives nor rides a bike, I will offer this simple observation: I don't think either side is particularly blameless. Beyond that, trying to figure out which group is more commonly at fault is ridiculous. Oh, drivers think bicyclists are rude and reckless? Wait, do you mean to tell me people who ride bikes everywhere think drivers are senseless monsters? Wow! We've certainly learned a lot! Also, the brain is wired to keep grievances front and center in our monkey brains. So of course you're going to instantly recall all those times someone was careless. It's less likely you'll think about boring and pointless most commutes are. The brain does this to distract us from the ultimately meaningless, though soul-crushing things we're forced to trek to everyday. But I digress.
Two things:
1-"Frankly there is no room for buses, or anything else that fat, in the city. The MBTA should have restored the A and E lines as they were supposed to and eliminated the buses. This could have been done by banning all parking on those routes and using their out of work snowplows in the summer to remove any illegal parkers. Thus allowing for trolley service and still have room for a bike and car lane."
I think that's a nice sentiment, but wildly unrealistic. For among other reasons, even by eliminating parking, there still wouldn't be enough room for everyone for long stretches. Also, you know, there are concerns beyond fitting everyone on the road at the same time.
Annnd,
2- This is really sad. Someone died, and someone else (29 years old!) is going to have to live with it for the rest of his life. Turning to the internet to register your disgust for people is kind of a shitty thing to do. None of us know what happened. A lot of accidents (not all, but a lot) have less to do with driving conditions, the (perceived) hostility of motorists towards bicyclists, or the (perceived) negligence of bike riders than it does someones momentary lapse in attention. Maybe the sun was in someones eyes, maybe someone had a muscle spasm, maybe someone was looking at something, maybe someone farted. Maybe this, maybe that. But PLEASE try to remember that by turning the Internet into the bullhorn through which you'll yell and pick fights, you're being a huge dick. That's not to say you shouldn't take lessons from this, but try not to let the tragic death of someone be fuel for your self-righteousness.
Sorry so sloppy.
well said
By mgv99
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 11:52pm
I couldn't agree more.
Thank you!
By Lecil
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 7:23am
Very well put!
Thanks for writing this!
By Kathode
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 1:37pm
Thanks for writing this!
I'd love to throw....
By Brett
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 2:50pm
As one who neither drives nor rides a bike, I will offer this simple observation: I don't think either side is particularly blameless.
The guy was standing in the street, stopped, MOTIONLESS, trying to pull his bike free from the tracks. The MBTA bus struck him.
Now, you want to tell me how the cyclist is even remotely at fault there, and how the bus driver isn't at fault, for hitting someone standing in the road with a large object?
Okay
By btc
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 7:35pm
You're sort of implying that the driver saw the guy in the street and gunned for him. That seems...insane. It's more likely that he took the turn around the corner, and hit the kid who was just out of view beyond it.
All the reports say it was
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 9:51pm
All the reports say it was the left rear of the bus that struck him, not the front.
insane...
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:38pm
...like some kid texting his girlfriend in the middle of a subway tunnel and slamming his train into the back of another?
...like some kid slamming her train into the back of another in a broad daylight?
How about the busses that repeatedly run lights, as Grimlocke pointed out, which was backed up by video evidence from the busses' own recorders?
The back-ends of buses swing
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:23pm
The back-ends of buses swing out during turns, as there is a large overhang between the rear axle and the back of the bus. The descriptions sound like the bus came around the corner, the poor guy was there stuck on the tracks, and the left-rear of the bus hit the guy. The bus driver did not hit him head-on with the front of the bus. The quote from the witness on Channel 5:
"I was coming off the 66 bus, coming down here, and I saw this person get stuck on the tracks. (He) didn't have a lot of time to react," said Joe Leary, a witness.
"It was too late for the driver or him," Leary said. "(I) see a lot of close calls, but nothing like this."
Still blocked
By Doylesta
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:13pm
I just took the 66 from Allston to connect to the 39 at S Huntington. They are still rerouting the 66 and Huntington is still blocked to vehicle traffic heading into Boston. The 39 that was involved is also still here and pulled over and channel 7 is here. It's upsetting to have to stand here waiting on a bus actually and people keep honking angrily because they can't turn right. Cops just commandeered a large platform tow truck.
passing on the left
By steve weeb
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:10pm
wbz tv (.com) says the cyclist was passing on the left, lost control and fell under the bus. Pure speculation, but i bet his bike tire got hung up in the green line track. Sounds like nothing more than a freak accident.
Those tracks have been an
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:26pm
Those tracks have been an accident waiting to happen to cyclists for years now, so if your speculation turns out to be true it is not at all a "freak" occurence.
The tracks
By c1josh
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 9:54am
They have been there for years and I would say as a biker on that route it's a bad decision to pass a bus by riding in a lane with tracks. I've hit the pavement hard a couple of times by crossing tracks at the wrong angle (both at Packard's corner and at Brigham circle) and it's an instantaneous fall. One second your upright and the next you're wondering how the ground could smack you so hard.
The rider may not have know about the danger of the tracks, or it may have had nothing to do with the situation, I'm just saddened by the untimely death of another rider.
My approach around any motor vehicle is extreme caution. I have ridden that exact intersection with my son in a bike seat behind me, and I'm now considering a different route but there aren't any good alternatives.
Any vehicle that you can't see around needs to be treated with the utmost respect.
Theres no need for
By J
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:30pm
Theres no need for speculation, the bus cameras will determine who was at fault.
And just to note, passing on the left by a bicycle is perfectly legal if theyre passing a stopped vehicle (if the bus was at a bus stop). It is also legal if the cyclist is preparing to turn left.
Streetview actually shows a cyclist preparing to turn left
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&g...
FWIW
By callmewhatyoulike
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:49pm
For what it's worth, doesn't look like the accident was actually in the intersection, but a little further up Huntington on the inbound side. Possible that the biker tried to pass in the intersection, but when they had it taped off earlier tonight, the intersection was open and Huntington was taped about 20 feet inbound (the bus was further up).
accident
By pat
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 11:56pm
The accident definitely was not right at the intersection - I'd say it was about 50 yards past it, going westbound on Huntington. I didn't see it happen, but walked up towards Brigham Circle not too long after it happened (to get dinner, not to gawk, as at least 100 people were doing). Clearly the Transit Police are investigating, as numerous CSI-style evidence markers with numbers were on the scene.
Someone above suggested the rider may have lost control hitting the T tracks. I'm not trying to be morbid, and it was actually somewhat shocking to me, but there was a large bloodstain (clearly visible from the sidewalk on the northern side of the street) right near the T tracks, in the center of the road.
E-line service is now running on Huntington though - just heard a train go by on S. Huntington.
I don't really have an opinion on the cars vs cyclists vs T vs buses argument, but I will say that that intersection is a shit show. I get on the train every morning at that corner, and have witnessed idiocy from all parties.
Anyhow, super sad...
The articulated CNG buses on
By anon
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 10:55pm
The articulated CNG buses on the 39 are not camera equipped
Legal but not necessarily safe
By Ron Newman
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 11:20pm
While it is always legal for a bicycle to pass a stopped bus on the left, it may not be a good idea on this street with its trolley tracks in the middle. The accident may turn out not to be the bus driver's fault.
Agreed. I pass buses on the
By HenryAlan
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 4:36pm
Agreed. I pass buses on the left when they are at bus stops, but I would never do it on South Huntington. The tracks are too close to the passing zone, and just not a good idea for a bike.
bane of my existence
By Paige
Wed, 04/07/2010 - 11:27pm
"The bane of my existence" is what my friends and I always half joke about in regard to the 39 bus and the daily battle you will face as a biker with those buses. Hearing of this story puts things in perspective for me and I am profoundly moved to learn of this horrible tragedy, especially because it is the route I take every single day to get to school. While I am not from Boston, I have been biking here for three years, through snow, sleet, wind, rain, you name it. I've been hit head on by a drunk driver and thrown off my bike and somehow walked away okay. I do not know the details of what happened, or who was at fault, but I do know that whether you are an experienced biker or not-- that intersection and all the roads on this side of the water are tricky both on the part of the biker and driver. I do know that the majority of experiences I have had with MBTA buses and especially LMA buses are negative. This situation is ALL the more reason to make the roads safer for EVERYONE! The tracks will always be hazardous whether there are buses running or not. Having bike lanes in boston/boston area needs to happen and the e line tracks need be removed.
Tracks and bikes can coexist
By J
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 12:53am
Tracks and bikes can coexist peacefully. Some cities install rubber along the track, which is pushed when the train goes by put pops up so bikes dont get stuck
...
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 9:37am
"The bane of my existence"
that's funny....that's what me and my friends joke about bikers.
My heart pours out to the
By billy g
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 1:09am
My heart pours out to the family/friends of the poor dude deceased. The authorities are so kneejerk/reactionary/jerks to overrun the area with authority and shut every thing down for hours as if only if they were there it would have prevented the accident. Urban east Massachusetts is so tense with impatience and ignorance.. (littering, feet on seats, sidewalk spitting, cell phone noise pollution ) that it is so overrated but still a tourist haven. The cops have not enforced moving violations for generations, therefore the moronic driving. It would take all day to get from city hall to the Mass General if you waited for the pedestrian walk lights. This place needs a common sense kick in the ass.
I grew up in the neighborhood
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 1:40am
and know where the accident occurred VERY well, having road my bike, driven, and used street cars/buses on it a million times. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE OF THE TRACKS........not just bike riders but also cars. IT'S VERY EASY TO GET STUCK IN THE GROOVES and once this happens you have a major accident waiting to happen. A busy street, densely populated neighborhood gives little lee-way obviously, and it's difficult for a car to avoid an accident like hitting into a bike rider stuck in the track groove, let alone a bus. NO ONE HAS MENTIONED THE BUS DRIVER, WHO I'M POSITIVE IS SEVERELY TRAUMATIZED ALSO.....this person didn't go to work this morned looking to kill a bike rider stuck in the track groove on S. Huntington Ave! FOLKS GOTTA USE COMMON-SENSE! I also road my bike to work at Mass General every day for years down Beacon St starting at Cleveland Circle, through Kenmore Sq, down Comm Ave, Boylston St, etc., ..... we live in a very urban, densely populated city with a million obstacles that can turn deadly. You have to be HYPER alert, especially riding a bike on the street.
There were far fewer cars on the road when I was kid growing up in JP/Brookline/Brighton/Somerville in the 80's and it was dangerous then, it's A LOT more dangerous now due to the big increase in auto traffic, and the big size of the SUVs many now drive which have a lot of blind spots. On the plus side anti-lock brakes allow for better braking though.
Killed by the Tracks
By Bob F
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 7:45am
I've fallen on those tracks before, you have to be extra careful around them. It looks like this guy thought he could pass, and maybe he could have safely, without the tracks. How many people (in any vehicle) have you seen take risks unnecessary passing, only to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier? I see it all the time.
Very sad, but all I can say is... trolley tracks and bicycles do NOT mix. For all those who want to see light rail on every street corner, that is a hard reality; and I don't believe that rubber gizmos over the tracks will solve the problem.
PS: I bike a lot, and drive too, and the inevitable obnoxious comments that happen whenever a bike is mentioned in the news are annoying.
Tracks not the only issue
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:53am
There would be less need to be anywhere around the tracks if double parking problems were strictly monitored in the area. I used to work on Huntington Ave. and there were many, many times that cars would take the dead center of the road to get around double parked vehicles and nearly hit off-center head on, with all the slippage that tracks entail. This should be a single lane each way, but they won't set the tracks aside.
That said, the best way that I found to make that left was to pull to the right, dismount, and use the crossing lights to get across the Huntington side of the V. This sets you up on the right side without having to hang around in the middle. Pretty simple.
Bad Bus Experiences?
By Bob F
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 7:48am
I don't know what problems other bikers have had with buses. I've been biking all over Boston for 15 years, and I can't recall EVER having had a problem with an MBTA bus. Crazy car and SUV drivers are something else, but I've generally found the bus drivers to act in a courteous and professional manner.
Can I have some of your drugs?
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 7:54am
They sound like good ones.
Most of the problems I have had are: drivers who refuse to wait 5 seconds to pull over so the bike is clear of the stop; drivers who don't understand the rules of using the racks; drivers who have AN OPINION and somehow forget that their employer has A POLICY and the state has LAWS that conflict with that.
The MBTA does a shitty job of training and education of its front line people when it comes to some pretty basic policies, and this doesn't start or end with bikes. Time for some education - and enforcement - and an end to excusing the drivers when complaints come in about dangerous driving.
what bus route are you
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 8:21am
what bus route are you talking about because the bus drivers on the route of the accidents are not courteous at all.
In defense of bus drivers,
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 9:49am
In defense of bus drivers, it's B.R.U.T.A.L driving a car, let alone a bus with passengers or a large truck, in and around the city. I'm not shocked they don't have the friendly attitude of Mickey Mouse at Disney World and don't hold it against them. You couldn't pay me enough to navigate city streets with a bus full of passengers. And the potential for violence on the 39 is always there due to the demographics. I grew up in JP; I know.
Friendly attitude is optional
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:45am
Professional behavior, knowledge of and adherence to the laws of the Commenwealth: NOT optional.
If you are being paid to be an expert about piloting a very large vehicle around the city, you are not being paid to have the attitude that you can use that large vehicle to kill somebody because their right of way is inconvenient to you. If that is the way you think and behave, find a new job.
Let's not over generalize this
By 02120
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 9:52am
I ride on the same route with the 39, 66, the LMA shuttles, the 1, the 77, 96 etc. I ride year round, good weather and bad. It is wrong to make blanket statements about all MBTA drivers being inconsiderate/dangerous/ and awful drivers (just as it is wrong to say that all cyclists are a pack of law breaking road menaces).
Without knowing the facts of the situation here, people are far to quick to judge. I am currently on the mend from being hit by a car on Mass Ave--so I ride all those buses in question for the time being. No one, Cyclist or Motorist, is going out there looking to kill anyone. If there is a true safety issue with how the road is designed, bitch and complain about that. If a particular driver has engaged in risky driving--report them (regular readers of the UH may have seen a post that proves that this is effective). Let's not engage in a smear campaign against MBTA drivers/Cyclists based on speculation and the comfy anonymity of the Internet.
02120 - hey I live there too..
By c1josh
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:18am
I Bike, Drive, and ride the "T" in Boston, and I have to agree with you completely. Assigning malicious intent to drivers in general is a weak argument. And the knee jerk declaration of scofflaw bicyclists doesn't help solve the problem.
As for the "tear up the tracks argument"... Um. Have you noticed that the tracks were there before you were born and the state is trying to increase the amount of trolley coverage in the Metro area? They aren't going anywhere and you may have to accept it.
Deaths in urban traffic, as a percentage of miles traveled, fall harshly on the bicyclist. The transportation scheme has to be addressed as a whole to help solve this horrible problem. For years and years the Mass Transit system has been stagnant while auto traffic has doubled or tripled. As the resurgence of biking puts more bicyclist on the road, the injuries and fatalities will continue to climb.
Now, obviously something has to change. Car's are not going to disappear overnight. The "T" will need some kind of massive overhaul (and don't forget it's GIANT debt) before it's a beacon of hope. Some creative solutions to road sharing, including - but not limited to - bike lanes seem like the easiest first step.
Keeping my fingers crossed and my eyes open.
I don't think I advocated destruction of the E-line
By 02120
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:19am
I don't think I advocated "tear up the tracks" of the Green line (perhaps you were referring to a post by someone else). I was suggesting that it would be healthier to focus debate on making our traffic infrastructure safer rather than uniformly assigning blame blindly to either Drivers or Cyclists. Frankly I am counting on the E line being extended to Medford so I can use it my golden years (when it may actually be finished).
As far as just "accepting" the fact that tracks aren't going anywhere, that doesn't mean we can't discuss how we can make things better. The Huntington Ave stretch from Brigham Circle to Northeastern was upgraded. Maybe the section between Brigham Circle to Heath Street can be improved next.
No, it was a reply
By c1josh
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:30am
to someone else.
There is plenty to discuss about the "T".
Tear up the Tracks?
By Bob F
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 10:28pm
Was I suggesting we tear up the tracks? As a biker, I certainly wouldn't mind, but I don't think I was advocating for it either. However... biking through JP got a LOT safer when the tracks were finally paved over last year.
Far better than putting new tracks on busy urban streets is to build REAL rapid transit systems with their own right-of-way. I believe the E line extension to Medford mostly fits this bill. I don't think there are any plans to expand in-street trolley tracks at this point.
In the meantime... I just avoid the couple of blocks from Brigham Circle to Heath Street. They truly are a death trap for bikers.
Yes, let's end the E line at Brigham Circle
By anon
Thu, 04/08/2010 - 11:10pm
Sounds like a fantastic idea; rework the tracks and platforms a bit so they can shuffle trains. The E-line runs the same route as the 39, past Huntington is dangerous (cars never stop for people getting off the trains), clogs traffic on that insanely busy stretch of road...and the rails are REALLY DANGEROUS TO CYCLISTS! Nevermind that most people get off at Brigham Circle anyway.
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