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City: New Boylston Street building doesn't need new approval even with changes

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What a pigeon flying high over the Public Garden would see.

Developer Ron Druker has hired a new architect, who's made changes to the exterior design of his proposed nine-story, $120-million building at Boylston and Arlington streets, but the structure still has the same basic dimensions and doesn't really look all that much different, so it doesn't need to go through a new city review process, members of the Boston Civic Design Commission told nearby residents and preservationists tonight.

Druker switched from Cesar Pelli to Robert Stern, whose new design features setbacks on the upper floors, limestone in the exterior and a change from bay windows to glass panels. An architect in Stern's office told the commission this would help the building - which will replace the Shreve, Crump & Low building - better fit in with the neighborhood, but "in a more modern idiom." He compared the proposed structure to the nearby Berkeley Building, which, he said, also has lots of windows and columns.

Members of the Neighborhood Association of the Back Bay and the Boston Preservation Alliance said they were disappointed they weren't able to get a look at the revised drawings until last night.

Commission member Andrea Leers said she liked the new look. "I appreciate the simplicity of this approach. ... I think it's a simpler and in some ways stronger approach to the design."

Member Michael Davis agreed. "It's a much stronger building. ... It relates to the much larger Boston context better."

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It was nice to see the contrast between the Menino Rubber Stamp Brigade of the BRA and the members of the public who challenged them to convince anyone this is the same building previously approved by the board.

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I must've been too busy taking notes (and, um, checking Universal Hub) on my laptop, there in the second row, to notice!

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I arrived just before the meeting started and sat in the back right of the room. When the Druker presentation began I moved to the left wall near the front. About halfway through I looked down and saw you there, but I didn't want to disturb you or the proceedings by saying anything.

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Kind of interesting that it appears they plan to repave the streets with mirrored glass.

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Hey, if Kenmore can be paved with slick marble pedestrian crosswalk "lines" combined with asphalt crosswalks and sandstone pavers for a street, then by God, we can just lay a few blocks of polished marble around the Garden in time for the winter fun!

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I'm confused by the angle and view....

Maybe if they'd left the perpetual jersey barriers and fencing from the Arlington Green Line station I'd have a better sense of orientation in the picture...

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Funny. The Heritage on the Garden is to your left and that's Arlington Street going off to the left. That's Boylston Street on the upper right. The church is the church at the corners of Boylston and Arlington streets. As Adam says, you're getting the birds-eye view from inside the Public Garden. The ice cream truck you see in the summer would be at the corner of the park, left side.

You can also make out the middle-of-the-road divider that goes down Boylston Street in front of the Heritage on the Garden, at the left of the photo. Does this help? Maybe you were just being funny, dunno.

It's a bit of an artist's rendering; the greenery at that corner of the Garden has been cut down.

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Thanks, I had it pretty well figured out. Just goofing on the artist's rendering.

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It's a big box. I can't tell anything about how it's detailed. How does the glass meet the limestone? Are the windows inset? Or will this end up looking like a big, flat surfaced shiny cube with white limestone lines. The Clarendon is a good example of how a building can change from initial concept to completed project. The renderings showed more deeply inset windows and richer surfaces. The final product somehow got flattened out (value-engineered?) and looks cheaper. Imagine what could happen to the building in the rendering above. Imagine it without the lush plantings on the balcony. It will end up looking like one of those office park buildings you see in the burbs. Maybe the architects here (are there any) will disagree with me.

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Here.

A bit fuzzy and off-kilter, because I was taking it from across the hearing room without a flash and I was standing slightly off to one side (in other words, gang, don't hire me as your wedding photographer).

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Oh, I think that's an entirely fair critique. Architectural renderings rarely correspond directly to the finished product, and in this environment, a measure of value-engineering is a virtual certainty. And yeah, the design is undistinguished. There's nothing terribly memorable about this structure, and that's a shame.

But memorable almost always means controversial, and with the approval and permitting processes presently in place, I well understand why developers most often opt for corporate-bland structures. Besides which, the purpose of the review and approval process isn't to produce a beautiful building. In my book, there are four critical questions that need to be asked during review:

1) Does the new structure enhance the street-level life of the city?
2) Does its mass, height, or weighting threaten some particularly valued attribute of the area?
3) Does it increase density, so critical for urban vitality, and if so, is it properly sited in an area that can support higher density?
4) Is the structure an egregious offense to the existing fabric of the area?

Two of those criteria are aesthetic, and two practical. This building is in a dense, walkable area, and along major transit routes. It features extensive street-level retail, with open and inviting glass frontage. Those criteria are worth rigorously enforcing. As for the aesthetic concerns, I think the review process ought only be used in extraordinary circumstances. It's not particularly tall, and there's nothing egregious about the design.

In fact, my primary objection to this design is that it's too small, and too short. Boston is an expensive city, both residentially and commercially, and few areas are more expensive than those adjacent to the downtown parklands. There are tremendous hurdles to the erection of new structures, making the process time-consuming and expensive. So it seems to me that there's an absolutely compelling interest in erecting large, tall buildings - thus making the maximal increase in the amount of space, and easing demand. Density is the friend of urban life. And, to the extent new developments are encouraged to achieve tremendous density, it alleviates the pressure elsewhere on historic structures, small-scale neighborhoods, and relatively affordable areas. I'd like to see this design double in height.

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It is at the maximum height to be in compliance with zoning and shadow laws. One of the reasons parkland adjacent is expensive is because people like looking out over and being near a nice sun drenched park - which we wouldn't have if we surrounded the park with 20 story buildings.

There are places for taller buildings - up to a point.

You can have a great, dense city without a lot of tall buildings (Paris, much of London, DC, SF) - especially in a small/medium city like Boston - and it's a lot more human in scale and liveable - which is one of the reasons I left NY to settle in Boston. You can look up and see the sky - not like NY where you look up and get dizzy!

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At least if thay are going to tare down this butifule old bulding and replace with a 60 story building it could be justified as expanding office space and residetial space for an alrady crowded city, but this new building is not much taller then the histroric one, which makes me wonder why tare down the historic one in the first place

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BARF!

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It reminds me of the Mandarin, which continually reminds me of very nice, low-income housing. I suppose this is better because it doesn't have a giant driving and loading dock ruining Boylston Street. But do we need or want another big box?

It's an architectural crime to equate this bland, boring thing to the Berkeley Building, which is a treasure.

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and it's approval process more or less sum up everything that's wrong with development in Boston. No one can get anything built, period. That is unless you're friends with the Mayor and then you have free reign to bulldoze a beautiful, historic building and replace it with shit.

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It looks very diffrent then the grand old building, the first building I would see when I exited the Arlington T stiation when I would visit Boston as a kid, this new building dose not look like it belongs in theBackbay, fameus for its history. Next Druker will want to build a new city hall in Scully Square, or tare down part of the North End to build an elivated high way, wight a minut that allrady happened, I gess after he tars down the Arlington building he will tare down the rest of the backbay and then move on to the Old North Church and Fanway Park, then there will be nothing left to destingush Boston from any other plain mordern american city, no need for turrist to ever come here and contribote to our econmy, not when thay can see the same eaxact building in there own town.

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