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Nor the Ernie
^^
It's just good old Boston revenge
Bill hates the NYJ football club. He would be all happy inside if he can take one of their failures and use him in some way to beat them. I'm thinking slot receiver or halfback for TT.
Great Move
Tebow is a winner. And Belichick has brains enough to utilize his skills, unlike Ryan and the Jets. Obviously, he's not going to play a lot of downs at QB with Brady around, but he's fine insurance as a backup and I can envision all sorts of interesting formations with him as RB, allowing an option on every play he's in.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
3rd String
I think his QB skills will be used as "emergency quarterback" unless they can get something really tempting for Mallett.
I like that The Onion said we signed a "deep snapper."
wonn't tebow's charms fail in
wonn't tebow's charms fail in this godless land of heathen?
he knows this is the land of intelligent people, right?
Not the land of jesusfreaks...?
Intelligent, yes
Tolerant, not as much as people like you would like to think.
So, he helps them to another Super Bowl, will you still be upset that he is a Christian, and pro-life to boot? Yup, someone is closed minded.
On an actual sports note, the organization does a great job taking talent and molding it to the system. This could be fun.
Sorry too busy
Sorry too busy pseudo-intellectually masturbating to derogatory stereotypes of people outside the northeast to be tolerant.
The problem is mr
The problem is mr self-righteous is all about self - the Patriots are abut TEAM.
No Clue
Have you ever listened to the guy in interviews? He never praises himself. He always gives the love to teammates, coaches, relatives, friends...
Even when people piss all over him, he never says a word against them or in his defense as a football player. He is, by far, the least "me - me - me" guy in professional sports today.
You have no clue.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Really? You went there, anon?
There are plenty of intelligent people who follow some form of Christianity whether it's the Catholic Church, Episcopalian, Methodist, Congregationalist or even - gasp - born again Christians.
Don't believe me? Go sit in a lecture at the Harvard or BU Divinity Schools.
Really?
Religion is a bigger scam than scratch cards.
Sorry if I was offensive
There are plenty of intelligent Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and members of other religions. It's just that when I think of Tim Tebow, my brain goes right to Christianity.
Uggghhh...
Teblow...I hope his stay is very short lived. We trade Welker, and Woodhead and they bring in Tebow? Egads!
Somehow I managed to miss
Somehow I managed to miss those trades...
The power of Belichick
Maybe Belichick managed to do what no other coach could - convince him to be the 3rd QB and play running back or tight end. Maybe Tebow finally cracked and realized that was the only way he could stay in the NFL.
On another note, I see that the anti-religious haters are already out in full force. It's so tired and predictable that I'm sleepy just thinking about it.
If you're going to criticize him, pick on his football skills. When you spew vitriol about his religious views, you're just rehashing everything that's been said about him since he was in college. You can insult better than that, Boston.
OK, I'll bite.
Purely as a professional football player, Tebow is a disappointment. He's a quarterback with terrible throwing mechanics and questionable accuracy, a who couldn't win a starting job from Mark frigging Sanchez in camp a year ago. He's an above-average athlete, but he isn't a better pure running back or receiver than anyone on the Patriots' roster right now (and isn't likely to become one with two months of positional coaching), which means he'll be relegated to spot duty in gimmick plays. There is no way, ever, that BB will take a future Hall of Famer off the field to put Tebow in, so now we're talking gimmick plays to try to catch opposing defenses with their pants down. These worked, briefly, for Miami three years ago, but with the resurgence of mobile quarterbacks and the read option, every defensive coordinator in the NFL is now prepared to see a Wildcat snap or three against a team with a mobile quarterback on the roster.
Tebow is a jack of all trades and a master of none. You can get away with that if you're Bo Jackson, but most guys without a clear role to play don't last very long in this league. He doesn't scare anyone under center, he's not a threat as a pure running back, and if you put him somewhere else, the best you can hope for is to get a linebacker lined up against him in man coverage while he runs a quick post route.
In exchange for this three-plays-a-game utility, you get one of your 53 roster spots filled, and you get the full force of the national media machine focused on the wrong part of your franchise, essentially hoping for some lulz out of a guy whose religious roots now look even more out of place in a city that isn't as comfortable with Born Again folk as Gainesville, FL was.
I don't see it. Even if he's just a camp casualty, the Pats look worse for all of this. There's no possible outcome that justifies the cost.
Nice analysis
But Bo Jackson wasn't a Jack of all trades, he was a master of many trades. One of the greatest athletes you'll ever see in your lifetime.
To paraphrase:
I heard Mark Sanchez threw Tim Tebow a going away party...
... but it was intercepted and returned for a touchdown.
I think part of the beef with
I think part of the beef with Tebow isn't that he's religious (who the heck cares what you do on your own time?), but that he politicizes his religious beliefs with things like anti-abortion ads. That's problematic for me. He can go to church all he wants, but stay OUT of my uterus!!!!
Tebow's Mom Refused An Abortion
You understand why he's anti-abortion, right? While his mother was pregnant with him, she was advised to have an abortion. The fetus (Tim) had suffered some sort of injury, the thought was that he would be a stillbirth, and they did not want to put any risk on his mother's life. She refused the abortion on religious grounds and Tim Tebow was born.
I think, given the circumstances, it's quite easy to understand why he would be anti-abortion.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
No one forced her to abort, either
No woman should be forced to abort.
No woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term.
That's why it is called "the right to choose".
His mother had the right to choose. That's the way it should be - her body, her values, her decision.
Period.
You do know that, in the years BEFORE Roe versus Wade made abortion discussable and introduced the notion of CHOICE, Tebow would never have been born. That's because her doctors would have terminated the pregnancy and then told her she lost the baby when she woke up.
Inconvenient history, yes? Cuts both ways.
Sure
I have a decent grasp of history. I have only stated why Tebow is strongly anti-abortion. Had his mother chosen abortion, he wouldn't be here. Seems clear cut and reasonable, given the human desire for self-preservation, for him to have such an opinion. Therefore, I fail to see why he is so demonized, personally, for holding that position.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
No, I don't get it
I appreciate many of the choices my parents made too. That doesn't lead me to have a desire to take those choices away from other families.
eeka, Do You Understand What I'm Saying?
For those who believe that abortion is akin to murder, you are just as intransigent in your beliefs and just as willing to take away a most fundamental right - that of being allowed to live.
Look, I didn't come here with the intent to argue for or against Roe v. Wade. For the record, when I ran for state rep (many many years ago) I said that I was pro-choice in my campaign materials and in published interviews. That's not the point here. The problem is that many - such as yourself - seem to feel that your right to use your body in a way you might prefer (which I understand, as reference the statement above in this paragraph) somehow utterly trumps any possibility that the other side of the argument may have a scientific leg on which to stand regarding life. If you wish to get into that damn argument, I can find loads of respected doctors and scientists who would argue that they believe abortion is repugnant, reprehensible, and morally wrong. You can bring in a bunch on the other side, then we'll bash each other over the head with them and probably wind up convincing no one of anything more than when we began. My intent was to perhaps show why Tebow feels the way he does, maybe bring one or two people to an understanding and a "truce", rather than have folks stewing about it and arguing. I have obviously failed. Geez.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
What I find funny
is the fact that you never see anti-abortion protesters engaged in protest against wars.
So, while they're in the womb, they are deserving of zealous protection, but once they come out, fuck em?
OK, I Have To Ask
Did you take a survey at the anti-war rally?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
What
Anti-war rally?
The One You Attended, I Suppose
You said "... you never see anti-abortion protesters engaged in protest against wars." So I assume you must have asked a bunch of people at some anti-war protest whether they were pro-life or pro-choice, and they must all have said they were pro-choice. How else would you know?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
And I said...
"What anti-war rally" referring to the fact that there really aren't any due to the fact that we've been so conditioned to the mindset that to protest the war is now anti-American and a slap in the face to those in uniform.
To me this follows the strange logic that pervades America today in that we can vilify people for taking pennies from the government in welfare, but no one seems to complain when Gawker points out...
A plane that doesn't even work.
Because it is your body you
Because it is your body you have the right to put the living being growing inside you to death? Once the baby is born can you kill it or is it now to late.
No it is too late.
Scientists decide when a baby is a baby, and the courts help those scientists verbalize those decisions. If the baby is inside you, scientists will decide whether or not it is a baby, or not a baby, and the courts will help out letting you know whether you have the right to control what is in your own body or not.
Yes, that's been reported ad nauseum.
And it doesn't make me appreciate his politics any more. His mother was welcome to make her choice; I want to make my own.
Ad Nauseum
What is ad nauseum to you may be news to another. I was just pointing out a reason for his stance.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
So disagreeing with a point
So disagreeing with a point of view on abortion is somehow getting in your uterus? We are not to speak of such things??
I have no opinion to offer on the matter but I say it's a free country (?) and everyone is allowed to have their very own opinion. But, not to like a sports figure because of a personal belief says more about you.
It's less of a free country
It's less of a free country when your right to choose becomes illegal, no?
Look, I don't give two craps about Tebow, I was only trying to point out a non-religion-hating reason why some people dislike the guy. Advocating for my health care decisions to be legislated seems like a legit reason not to want to hear more from him.
Also, I'm fine if that "says more about [me]"....it says I care what politicians in this country do, and what people with public platforms say to influence them.
Not just "disagreeing with a point of view"
Advocating to criminalize a personal and medical decision.
He is welcome to express his opinion. He is welcome to advocate that others choose not to have abortions. He and his mother are more than welcome to tell their own stories about their own experiences and choices.
He is not welcome to make that opinion a law governing the bodies and choices of women and the practice of medicine.
As the poster above noted, he wouldn't be here if someone hadn't given his mother a choice. Women in serious medical circumstances in the first three-quarters of the 20th century were not given any choices until women spoke up and demanded those choices. I've read medical records from the 50s and 60s - medical records where a woman with cancer was either not told she was pregnant (and was given an abortion without consent), or was "treated" by a physician who thought she shouldn't be pregnant so she could undergo cancer treatment, resulting in a "miscarriage" without either her consent or knowledge of the procedure - at least to the standards we have today. Women in extreme medical situations often weren't told that they had any choice - and they were sometimes not even informed of what was going on. They were given abortions to save their lives by a well-meaning but insensitive and sexist medical system.
Women had things done to them by people who didn't consider their consent or choices in the matter. Do you really want to go back to that? Or should you, Tim Tebow, and all others retain decision making capacity for your own uteruses.
Once again, tolerant much
So, he's allowed an opinion, but only about certain things?
In some countries, you are welcome to an opinion, as long as you do not speak Ill of Islam.
In some countries, you are welcome to an opinion, as long as you don't say homosexuality is okay.
In Massachusetts, aparentally, you are welcome to an opinion, as long as you don't claim that the thing in a uterus is a person?
Look, I don't want to get off on an abortion tangent. The point is that if the Pats can improve, it shouldn't matter what a player's views on abortion, marriage, tax codes, or whatever are. As long as the guy doesn't end up in the police blotter, I could care less.
Funny you should mention Islam
They have a term for "the rules of our religion should be the law for all people".
It is called "Sharia Law"
Why is that any different when certain other people of other faiths think their "laws" should be everybody's laws?
Saying "your religiously-based rules stop at my body" and "you are free to persuade me but not force me to follow your religion using the law" isn't intolerance.
It is affirming the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
I suggest you read it and some of the body of case law that it entails.
Have YOU read the first amendment
Saying that Tebow shouldn't have an opinion on the origin of life would seem to run counter to the First Amendment, but you seem to be okay with that.
You seem to be saying that the First Amendment does not protect opinions counter to your own.
But hey, we're all entitled to our own opinions. And if you held this view that others cannot express their opinions and could help the Pats defensive woes, I wouldn't have a problem with you signing with them.
That's the difference between you and me. Yet I'm the intolerant one?
We're sorry
The fallacy you have reached is not in service at this time.
Refusing to validate your bigotry by letting your religious beliefs dictate the medical care for 180 million Americans is not intolerant.
Please note 200 years of case law, and try again.
When losing the argument, misdirect!
I haven't seen any suggestions that he not be allowed his own opinion. I have seen some people express their disagreement, even disapproval of his opinions. Are they not equally allowed to their opinions?
For the record, I find his showy piety over the top and obnoxious. I don't think it will play well here in New England. Given how little he played last year and the apparent difficulties finding him a place on the field, I just hope it'll be worth the circus he'll no doubt be bringing with him. Time will tell.
My whole thing came from a Swirly quote
She said
Oops, I misread that. I could just slink off and not reply, but heck, I was wrong. I read "he is not welcome to make the opinion" My bad. Sorry.
Still, you have to admit, there are much worse things athletes could do or say. He's not a politician. Were he, his views on these issues would hold weight. From what I've heard from non-fundamentalists, the guy is genuinely nice, so when he gets attacked for thinking what he thinks, it irks me.
If he pulls an Ochocinco (on the field, not off, which won't happen) feel free to ride him out of town. However, if he turns into the next Moss, Welker, or perhaps Brady (on the field, again), chill.
All is forgiven
We all misread things from time to time. :)
And if Tebow has a spectacular season, we'll all be singing Bill's praises!
All is forgiven
Duplicate. Ignore this and the next one. Sigh.
All is forgiven
N/t
Thank you
I was wondering why you thought I was banning opinions. I'm not.
So awesome that you owned up on the second read (bows in your direction).
In all honesty, I'd not be annoyed if Tebow were going door to door to spread the gospel if he thought that was part of his Christian duties. I'd be happy to hear him out, and then explain to him why choice is important, and why religion and laws shouldn't mix.
He maybe should worry that the Minutemen will get a bit carried away with the cosplay and stuff him in the stocks for "Tebowing" ;-)
I dont think religon has
I dont think religon has anything to do with taking a babys life. A lot of non religous people believe babies should be allowed to live. I don't get why because the baby is inside of someone it should be they're right to end his life. I'm not at all religous or conservative.
I've been off the grid for a
I've been off the grid for a few days, and didn't pick up on the hoodies reference, but....
Tebow's coming to New England = The end times are surely coming.
Kafka on The Messiah
-Franz Kafka (not Mike Kafka)
(not Mike Kafka)
As Gregor Samsa awoke one morning from uneasy dreams, he found himself transformed into Tim Tebow.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com