Amy Lord, white, female, 24, South Boston, 7/23: 11 stories, including an analysis of why she didn't run, a story about a neighborhood reeling in fear and a story in which reporters interviewed scared white suburban parents (including one who used to clip stories about urban murders to post on the family refrigerator).
Unidentified black male, Roxbury, 7/20: 1 story. Note: Although the victim is anonymous to Globe readers, the Herald identified him as Perris Haynes, 29, a father of two, and talked to his family and friends.
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Today most Whites see White
By GTCvDeimos
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:29pm
Today most Whites see White racism as a part of the American past, and anti-racist struggle as largely completed. Yet people of color – African Americans, Native Americans, Americans of Latin American or Asian or Middle Eastern ancestry – consistently report that they experience racism (Alter 2004; Bobo 2001; Feagin and Sykes 1994). These reports are not the product of oversensitivity or paranoia. Instead, they may even understate the impact that White racism has on the everyday lives of people of color (Bonilla-Silva 2003; Feagin and Vera 1995).
While American workplaces and public institutions are increasingly integrated, very few Whites have social friends among people of color (Bonilla-Silva 2003:107–111). White isolation makes it easy for them to dismiss the complaints of people of color as “whining†and “playing the race card.â€
Whites do not themselves experience harassment for “driving while Black,†or the stony inattention encountered when “ordering a restaurant meal while Indian.†Their conversations with family and friends are never interrupted by perfect strangers telling them to “Speak English! This is America!†Nobody has ever tried to seduce them by confessing that they’ve “ always wanted to make it with a hot Asian chick.†And they don’t have the kinds of conversations with people of color where they would hear about such incidents, which are so frequent as to be stereotypical. Everyday moments of discrimination are only part of the picture, though.
-Jane H. Hill
Your ridiculous post
By Boston_Bloke
Sat, 07/27/2013 - 11:10pm
You're citing, what, a bunch of tenured college professors who researched something with a pre-drawn conclusion? National Geographic reports that the most common inter-ethnic marriage is between White Men and Hispanic Women. Sounds to me like your description of a separate white world is baseless. Also, not all Hispanics are "people of color". My mother's family is in PR, whiter than you probably. It amazes me how many self- proclaimed racial justice advocates get upset by that, it's like our lightened complexion offends their definitions of race and victimhood.
As for driving while black, please explain to me how the police know the skin color of someone driving 85 miles per hour in the dark of night? How do they distinguish between Latinos and Italian-Americans?
And at restaurants, what makes you think there's never been bias against Jewish customers? My goodness, I've heard many anti-Semetic comments from the staff and kitchen, often coming from people of color.
I'm also curious how you assume that Italians, Russians, and Albanians never have issues with language barriers.
And what makes you think that racism comes from white folk, directed at minorities? Please read up on the targeting of Hispanic immigrants by black gangs as targets to rob. I personally know someone this happened to. They do it because they assume the immigrants use cash and are too scared to report it to the police.
Bonus points x a billion for
By anon
Sun, 07/28/2013 - 12:07am
Bonus points x a billion for citing Bonilla-Silva <3
Hey, don't knock Emerson
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 2:54pm
It's a very good safety school.
This is Noteworthy
By Not Logged In f...
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:04pm
This is noteworthy because they are both stories about apparently innocent, and sympathetic, victims of random murder but they have been given significantly different treatment. Based on the Herald's story, the man killed on Harold Street was a father of two, was not involved in crime, and appears to have been killed because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. This is horrifying. Two children have lost their father to random street violence. Had his story been given as much attention as that of Amy we might have an even more fulsom picture of this. Likewise, had Amy's story been given the same level of coverage by the Globe as the man from Harold Street, we would know that the body of a young white woman was found in Stony Brook Reservation. Police are asking witnesses to come forward with details. I do not buy an argument that the Globe deliberately gives more coverage to white people than to black people, but there is a sociological phenomenon at work when differences in coverage like this happen. It is worth thinking about for the Globe as a paper and all of us as readers of that paper.
Smart take Adam. Thanks.
By TheVanJones
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:37am
Smart take Adam. Thanks.
I know race baiting makes you
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:42am
I know race baiting makes you feel better about yourself Adam, but also break down the UHub reader response and comment activity over the same stories. I guess we are all ignorant racists.
Showing concern about people
By TheVanJones
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:48am
Showing concern about people of color and the struggles they face in their neighborhoods is race baiting? Nice buddy.
Concern?
By Zapatas
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:03pm
No, devising false constructs about the press favoring one group of victims over another is race baiting. What does Adam's post have to do with concern about people of color and the struggles they face?
False Constructs?
By whyaduck
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:17pm
Hmm.
Seriously. Who doesn't get
By Scratchie
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:28pm
Seriously. Who doesn't get that dead pretty white women get orders of magnitude more news coverage than dead black people (regardless of looks or gender)? Welcome to reality.
Funny thing about reality
By GTCvDeimos
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:20pm
Just because it's reality, doesn't mean it should be. And if you refuse to acknowledge the unpleasantness of a certain reality (like so many posters in this topic), then you can't change it.
Imagine if today, we still refused to acknowledge that people of the LGBT community wants the same rights as straight people. And every time someone brought it up, posters just screamed "oh, it doesn't exist, because I don't want it to" or "well they don't, to reality" then were would we be today?
Yes it's reality, but that's no reason to be complacent about it.
You missed his point by a
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 2:25pm
You missed his point by a mile. He's not saying we should become complacent because it's reality. We're not supposed to go "Eh, that's life" and shrug it away. He's saying that BECAUSE it's reality, everyone needs to acknowledge it, because that's the first step in fixing it.
What do you mean by false
By TheVanJones
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:18pm
What do you mean by false constructs.....it clearly shows the press favoring one story over another.
Seriously?
By Zapatas
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:36pm
The only way you have proof of the press "favoring one story over another" is if you are comparing apples to apples. To look at this as a story about differences in press coverage due to color, you have to ignore hundreds of variables: different neighborhoods, different nature of crimes, whether one death was accidental and/or a case of mistaken identity, the background and mental condition of the assailant, motive (including financial), etc.
That is some crazy logic, to ignore everything about the stories except for what fits one's preconceived views about the coverage of victims of color. Especially when it's the dreaded Herald that prints the identity of the black victim, which was ignored by the Globe.
How is the title "Comparison:
By Tom on RT-20
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 6:11pm
How is the title "Comparison: Globe coverage of Boston's two most recent murders" and then a straight, factual list of the coverage "devising false constructs"? Adam isn't even stating a conclusion. If anything, the intent is to simply spark discussion.
Of course, I tend to view anyone that unironically uses the term "race baiting" as someone who's main goal is to derail honest discussion.
The latest sighting of Elvis had him singing In The Ghetto:
By Stephen of Roxbury
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 7:53pm
...
People, don't you understand
The child needs a helping hand
Or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
Are we too blind to see,
Do we simply turn our heads
And look the other way
Well the world turns
And a hungry little boy with a runny nose
Plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto
...
That was from another era when there was a war on poverty, not a war on those in poverty.
The late Rev Ike is with you anons et al, the best thing you can do for poor people is not be one of them.
No
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 4:21pm
That's "White Guilt", which how a person trying to protect their unearned privileges pseudorationalizes their lack of concern over statistically demonstrated and validated evidence that racism is a problem in America that they personally benefit from.
And if you're surprised by this.....
By Moxie
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:43am
Then you've been paying as little attention to the Globe as the Globe has to Mattapan, Roxbury, and Dorchester.
Let's remember who their (current) ownership is, and where they come from.
Remember the recent Globe
By chaosjake
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 2:32pm
Remember the recent Globe list of "Bostonians of the Year," only one of whom was from Boston?
Well, they haven't referred to the location as SoBo...
By Moxie
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:44pm
Yet!
C'mon, Adam. You're better
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:45am
C'mon, Adam. You're better than this.
The real story here should be
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:49am
The real story here should be about our lawmakers' lack of response to all these murders. Deval Patrick won't sleep until he hikes the gas tax, but god forbid he and his merry band of incompetents do something... anything... about this serious problem.
Not a crisis
By alkali
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:17pm
Every violent crime is a sad event, but crime overall has dropped 5% this year vs. last year, and there have been 25 homicides in Boston though July 23 of this year vs. 26 during the same period last year. (Source.) That's after several years of drops. Boston also compares well with other urban areas: we had 58 homicides last year vs. 215 for comparably-sized Baltimore. (Source.)
In short, maybe there is something that legislators can do to reduce violent crime further, but right now these crimes appear to be a couple of unfortunate and unusual events.
it's worth noting.
By TheVanJones
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:29pm
it's worth noting. Here's an interesting take on the issue...http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lea...
MotherJones?
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 2:04pm
Citing motherjones.com is like a the KKK on race issues!
Wasn't citing Mother Jones on
By TheVanJones
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:17pm
Wasn't citing Mother Jones on race issues, but you probably didn't read the article.
a the
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 9:57pm
motherjones.com is partial to tar and feather but enjoy a good hanging. nothing like the smell of a burning cross in the morning. the kkk called themselves christians. amazing what some christians will do in the name of god.
25 murders? Do you believe
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:41pm
25 murders? Do you believe those stats to be true?
What basis would we have for
By jdrinboston
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:48pm
What basis would we have for assuming those stats are not true? Are you implying that number is higher? On what basis?
I do, actually
By alkali
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:09pm
The Boston Globe gives a slightly different number -- 29 through the end of June -- but either figure seems roughly correct to me. (Source.)
Can we assume that both the
By jdrinboston
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:19pm
Can we assume that both the Globe's and BPD's numbers include the marathon bombing victims?
The Globe numbers definitely do
By alkali
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:37pm
If you click the Globe link, you can see the list of murder victims by name, which includes the bombing victims. (The list does not include MIT police officer Sean Collier, who was killed in Cambridge, not Boston.)
The BPD link is a spreadsheet that covers several different kinds of crimes and does not name the victims individually.
The Globe link also includes
By Bea W
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 8:11pm
The Globe link also includes the 3 marathon victims and one murder that occurred after July 22. The BPD numbers are up to July 22, and don't appear to include the victims of the marathon bombing, which I presume would show up in the numbers for D-4. That would make up the difference of 4 right there.
I also noticed there is a murder from July 20 on Harold St Roxbury (B-2) missing from the Globe list. There is no way to know if that one is properly reflected in the numbers in the BPD report since there are no names listed and B-2 has 13 homicides.
I'd say 25-29 is about right, unless there is reason to think both the BPD and the Globe are under reporting murder stats to the public.
lol "the real story" gas tax
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:23pm
what does Deval have to do with two homicides in boston?
have you ever heard so much whining about raising the gas tax 3 cents a gallon from 23.5 to 26.5 a gallon? Mass. still has the second lowest gas tax in the north east. The increase will cost .36 a tank for a 12 gal. tank.
the red line broke down again this morning. when will it be renovated? the streets i drive on are full of potholes. when will they be fixed? route 128 95 south interchange in canton is backed up everyday during rush hour, can we fix that, too?
wait. this is a thread about two murders. sorry, i got sidetracked.
It is always open season on Gov Patrick for some.
By Stephen of Roxbury
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 8:21pm
The state police services have been offered to Mayor Menino/Davis but they declined.
Mayor Bloomberg(who rues his birthplace of Medford) injects himself into the Senatorial race of Scott Brown because of his position on guns.
Bloomberg supports NYPD Chief of Police Ray Kelly's policy of stop-and-frisk policing and ignores vocal opponents. That's not community policing.
The BPD from Roache to Davis does reports and then doesn't release them or enact their recommendations.
D.A. Conley/Boston Mayoral candidate would get high if not 100% endorsement from the Patrolmen's Association for officers cleared in brutality, and excessive force cases resulting in death.
The fiscal conservatives can voice their opposition to the Governor's priorities, but short of the National Guard what else is he to do. In the February snowstorm there were drivers who demanded their RIGHT to put themselves in harms way and would have been ripped about delayed response times.
Perris Haynes homicide...
By jedH
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:51am
...is the second homicide in 7 months that BPD located at or near 131 Harold Street http://www.bpdnews.com/?s=harold+st
the house at 131 is known as "the Poker House," which no reporter has picked-up on, and might suggest a different angle than the young men of H-Block and their enemies. I suppose if a reporter talked to neighbors, that might come out.
One of the family member's name in the Herald article seemed very familiar to me - I looked it up and she's a political supporter I know from a local church.
Speaking of H-Block
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 1:04pm
Remember that big bust all over the news a few months ago? There was a list of suspects published, how about someone digs around and finds out about charges and bails? I wouldn't be too surprised if a majority if those low-lifes were let out on sub-$1000 bails despite their long records.
Ok, you have my attention
By Billy
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 7:46pm
What does "the Poker House" mean?
Hmmm
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:52am
Could it be that left-leaning newspapers usually try not to report on anything dealing with the inconvenient truth that's very un-PC - i.e. certain neighborhoods are way more dangerous than other neighborhoods, and people there get gunned down on regular basis? Also, papers print what sells - gangland shooting is unfortunately a normal occurrence around here, people have been completely desensitized and it certainly won't generate any advertising dollars for the paper. I was actually surprised by the Herald article, it wasn't their usual fox news trash style.
It is about privilege
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:31pm
That simple. The Globe always reports from the perspective of wealth privilege. The Herald somewhat less so, but its readers are addicted to their unearned privileges.
"Left-leaning newspapers"
By Bea W
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 8:33pm
"Left-leaning newspapers" aren't reporting on the positive things that happen in those neighborhoods either. If anything is reported at all, it's about drugs, shooting, some guy scamming the OneFund, or some other terrible thing that hardly characterizes all of certain neighborhoods over other neighborhoods.
It's about time someone is
By Glenn
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:55am
It's about time someone is pointing out this kind of "reporting". Well done Adam...don't listen to the those who are so quick to turn facts into race baiting.
But....but this was AMY! I
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:57am
But....but this was AMY!
I was just talking to someone about this the other day. The disparity in coverage is nothing new, but thanks for calling it out. No need for "race baiting," "we" already know how it is.
Great...
By anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 11:59am
My day is now complete with this information!
Good discussion
By ss anon
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:00pm
This is definitely something that's worthy of a discussion at very least. I think the answer is simple, though. On the news org's end, it comes down to a business decision.
Actual statistics on one unnamed local news site: the original Southie story saw 52+ times the readership as the original Roxbury story... As in -- for every 1,000 readers for Roxbury, there were 52,000 readers for Southie.
Let that sink in.
The reality is that for-profit news orgs write for their audiences. If no one's going to read it, news orgs don't care.
This Again?
By Zapatas
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:00pm
One way for victims of color to have their murders "elevated" to the kind of coverage that Amy Lord is getting would be to for the inner city gangbangers to stopping offing them in record numbers. Sort of hard to give each of those murders special treatment when there's so many of them.
But there's no sex appeal in that message, especially when race baiting plays so well in this city.
Just out of curiosity, what are the odds that this message is reaching the illegal gun owners and career criminals of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods? Anyone think they care about the alleged racial disparity of press' coverage of the havoc they're wreaking?
Folks lamenting the difference in these stories will continue to do nothing about it, and/or will agitate for tougher gun laws that will make no difference to the inner city.
Oh, come on now...
By whyaduck
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:27pm
Really? Seriously?
I'm pretty new here
By Zapatas
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:43pm
I'm pretty new here, but is this what you do "whyaduck?" You just fart one word replies and pithy phrases into your keyboard, with zero actual intellectual contribution to the discourse? I think a lot of people are having the same reactions to a lot of these posts, from all sides, but how many run to the computer to type "Really?" and "Hmmm"?
Nice little niche you've carved for yourself.
Actually, no.
By whyaduck
Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:01pm
I only go the intellectual reply route when I feel that the poster that I am replying to offers something worthwhile to reply to.
Or maybe I am just a bit lazy this Friday.
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