A weary citizen in East Boston sighs:
I'm not sure if this is asking too much, but on border st and white st in East Boston, I've already shoveled out 5 parking spaces, and everytime I come home at night people have moved put of theirs and into my shoveled out spots. I'm exhausted from having to shovel a new one every night. By that point, it's hard and icy. Is it possible that the snow can be removed during the day, because my neighbors aren't doing their part?
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spot saver...
By ColombianBean
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:02am
After losing my 2nd spot to a neighbor I would have pulled out a SPOT saver!!!
You knew to this Town?? they are the best and you can use anything and for the most part people do respect them!!!
Good luck Neighbor!!!! and welcome to Boston!!!
You are missing two key
By Jessica Allan
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:23am
You are missing two key points.
You're also forgetting people
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:00am
You're also forgetting people like me who just drive in and out of unshoveled spots in their SUVs. In all fairness though, I use the same spot so i'm not altering the balance of supply or demand.
That's not exactly true.
By davery
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:12am
That's not exactly true. Plenty of people just drive out of their spot which then gets packed down into 4 inches of ice. Also some places don't let you park on one side of the street for a snow emergency so they can plow, except they never actually do plow all the way to the other side of the street, so the spots are reduced by half because no one is going to shovel out a spot out of the snowbank on the other side of the street if someone else is just going to steal it.
No shoveling = no space savers
By davem
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 7:57pm
My next door neighbors prefer to spin their wheels with the five cars they have every morning and night to get in and out of spaces they don't shovel, but put space savers in anyway. I can empathize with the OP, as while I have a driveway I park on the street in front of my house during storms because it makes the driveway easier to clear out. I enjoy shoveling and am pretty anal about it, so I shovel the full width of the sidewalk and all the snow in the two spots in front of my house into my yard, plus the old lady's sidewalk next door. Come home and find that the aforementioned neighbors drove out of their unshoveled spots through mine, dumping snow all over the sidewalk and street in the process, which is now a sheet of ice. Meanwhile, the guy who parked in front of the old lady's house cleared his car off onto her sidewalk, and someone else had the audacity to put a space saver in one of the spots I cleared.
Best part: the neighbors cars all have "what would Jesus do" bumper stickers.
Or mabye not
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:34am
I am "aggresive enough" (not sure what that means since I don't consider myself to be an aggresive person) to use a space saver, but I wouldn't move someone elses, mainly for 2 reasons:
1. I wouldn't want someone to move my space saver, so I wouldn't move theirs (you know, that whole love thy neighbor thing...)
2. I don't want my tires slashed/nail gunned, car keyed or windshield smashed
I think your broad judgement about people who use space savers is way off base.
I learned a lot about my
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:36pm
I learned a lot about my neighbors this week. The ones who threw a chair on the street and claimed it as their own are low-lifes. I made some enemies forever this week and I won't forget it. Note to decent people: Don't move the space savers and throw them in a yard as you go down the street--I know it seems like a good idea and I commend your intentions. Unfortunately, the scumbags who put them out don't know who threw the chair aside and the unsuspecting driver gets the full thug-life experience when she gets home. We have to make the city do something about this. Winters might be just tolerable if we do.
The city definitely needs to
By AES
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 9:39am
The city definitely needs to crack down on this. Maybe something for the new regime can address???
What if you pile all the
By anon
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 2:41pm
What if you pile all the space savers together, with a sign saying "I returned 15 parking spaces to public use. Don't blame the people parked there now."
Aggression comes in many forms...
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 2:31pm
Space savers aren't backed up by any laws, even though they're quasi-tolerated by law enforcement. It'd be great if fairness and cooperation were what drove most people to "respect" the "rules" of space saving, but you yourself pointed out the real reason these ridiculous practices continue: the threat of violence and property damage.
When people see your space saver, they don't know that you're non-aggressive. The reason they're not throwing your garbage in the garbage and parking in "your" spot is because you might be a psychopath who is willing to do hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of damage to their car in the night, or perhaps even start a physical altercation if they catch you parking in "your" space. The only reason your space saver works is because there are plenty of psychopaths out there doing the same thing. The fact that you aren't backing up your threats with real violence doesn't change the fact that your space saver is threatening everyone who might want to park on your street with violence. That's all space savers are, and that's why they need to be done away with. I don't know what should be done instead, but I think we can do better than this Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome bullshit, especially when it is immediately abused. Once it is established that every space saver might be defended by a psychotic ape that is somehow unaccountably living in a major city, people (probably psychotic, maybe just douchey) can and have started setting up "space savers" when it's not snowing, just to reserve a spot. Why not? At worst you lose a cone - or a vacuum cleaner or whatever, and if you're lucky, you get to park wherever you like, at the city's and your neighbors' expense. It's a bunch of giant assholes enabling lesser assholes, and while you may not quite be an asshole yourself, you're riding on their coattails and supporting their freakish system.
Wow! A paranoid
By tenfortyseven
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 9:20am
Diarrhea-of-the-keyboard diatribe worthy of Know-It-All Swirley. Congrats!
Thanks!
By anon
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 9:49am
Seriously though, everything I said. People can rationalize it however they want, but it's a really really really stupid way to try to get by in a city. And participating in it while thinking you're above it is pathetic.
Reminder to self
By Michael Kerpan
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 11:41am
Not all trolls are anonymous trolls...
... some are pseudonymous trolls.
Spot saver destroyer
By Spot saver
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:07pm
I just drive up, and onto anything in the street. You want to save your spot leave your registered motor vehicle there. Anything else is violating the boston city code.
Spot savers beware my BMW 535 loves cones, chairs, and anything else used to save a spot. Hell most of you have already banged into my bumper and dinged it up. So a chair certainly is not going to hurt the bumper any worse. Hopefully you have a table for (6) maybe you can make it through the week.
It's over move on.
Except...
By AES
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:38am
Quite a few people do not seem to understand that space savers are only for during/immediately after (48 hours) a snow emergency. Although there was a lot of accumulation, a snow emergency was never declared so this resident is actually in the right by not having used one. No snow emergency = no space saver. It's a pretty simple concept that seems to be wildly misunderstood.
pretty simple concept that seems to be wildly misunderstood
By anonĀ²
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 2:15pm
So is assault and felony property damage it seems.
Way to be part of the problem
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:45am
Way to be part of the problem! You're not entitled to that spot, and I hope you don't feel the need to respond with a nasty comment towards me for thinking that. It won't change my mind!
Self Interest & Parking Spots
By R Hookup
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:35am
But I do think this points to a flaw in the "no space saving" approach. When people can save their spaces, they tend (though not always) to put more work into them. They might get the spot down to bare pavement and make it easy to get into and out of.
With the likelihood you will not return to that spot, drivers aren't investing their time at all, especially on all the crap that is under their cars but which will freeze hard and make it hard to park in that spot in the future. That's especially true if a few days of melt/freeze happens and the spots are impossible to shovel out without a blow torch.
I absolutely agree that we don't have any rights to a particular spot on the street, but our own inherent laziness (and lack of a reward for effort invested) makes the parking situation much worse.
Yes. The irony is that even
By davery
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:23pm
Yes. The irony is that even though space savers are selfish and lazy, they are only necessary because everyone is selfish and lazy.
Also...
By DotMom
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:50am
There are the people who park in garages or their own driveways during a storm, then park on the street later. In addition, there are visitors, house cleaners, repair people, delivery people, people who were out of town during the storm, people who were working during the storm, etc.
This is why street cleaning
By Obvious solution
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 10:50am
This is why street cleaning should continue year round with plows substituting for sweepers.
Yes, yes, yes to that
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:41pm
Yes, yes, yes to that statement
I doubt the city has the
By Rob
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 5:35pm
I doubt the city has the resources to do this. But putting that aside for a moment, it would cause new issues like plowing in driveway entrances again along with pedestrian ramps at crosswalks after they've been shoveled. Maybe that's acceptable if it opens up parking, but it's not without its own set of problems either. Also, would be a lot harder for cars to move to different streets like they do on street sweeping days since presumably less spots would be available if snowed in.
Move to suburbs
By Markk02474
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:06am
Just another reason to get out of Boston and live where there is more affordable off street parking.
Or the rest of Boston
By adamg
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:10am
There are large swaths of Boston where people have their own driveways. Some even have garages. Incredible, but true.
OK, I had one
By Markk02474
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 5:13pm
At one time I lived in the Charlestown Navy Yard and rented a spot in the garage under the apartment building to fit both my Ninja 1000 and Honda CRX. Never lost a window and radio like those parking on the street.
Or sell your car!
By Nicole
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:44am
Hey, if you want to encourage people to live your lifestyle, I'm going to encourage people to live mine :P
In BH
By downtown-anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:37am
It is car owners be dammed. Homeowners just shovel everything from the walkway into the parking spot - Any spot left open during a storm is home for a giant ice pile.
I am really glad to see the rain coming this weekend. Don't look forward to weeks of driving by these ice pile homes every night.
Not exactly "Car owners be damned".
By Bob Leponge
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:44am
The law requires the property owner to clear the full width of the sidewalk, or a path 42" wide. It's only 36" from the front of the building to the curb. Where would you propose that the homeowner put the snow?
This happens only where there are open parking spaces
By downtown-anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 1:45pm
In front my home I put it on the sidewalk next to the parked car flowing into the street next to the car. Total maybe a 18" wide spot. Most homeowners do this on my street and most of Beacon Hill. There are just a few spoiled people who decide that they need more space than others on the street.
This 18" is all that is available to both homeowners that have parking in front of their home and those who have only a travel lane.
There just isn't a lot of space snow we all have to share.
When I need to park where someone has dumped the sidewalk snow completely into the parking space, I generally end up carrying it across the street to the other side for fear of damaging someone's closely guarded spoils (namely more cleared sidewalk then the rest of the street).
What is BH?
By DotMom
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:52am
It's probably something obvious, but I'm just not getting it.
BH
By Kyle
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:52pm
= Beacon Hill.
Beacon Hill is my guess.
By ZedThou
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 1:16pm
Beacon Hill is my guess.
Butt Hole
By tenfortyseven
Fri, 12/20/2013 - 9:25am
Butt Hole
Update: City says it did what it could
By adamg
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 11:40am
The City could do a better
By anon
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:14pm
The City could do a better job plowing snow off the streets and removing it. Now it just creates pathways down the middle of most residential streets surrounded by snow/ice walls. I've noticed Downtown consistently gets better treatment.
You do not own the streets!
By NormalHumanBeing
Thu, 12/19/2013 - 12:29pm
I shoveled out three spots so far and honestly I enjoy the exercise, but this is what makes me mad. These are city owned streets and not anybody's property. I'm sorry you shoveled and someone took that spot but it is not "yours." Also, someone had the audacity to put a barrel in a spot I actually shoveled in which case I ran the barrel over and threw it in their yard.
It's the winter and sometimes you're going to have to do a little extra work, but that doesn't mean taking ownership of city owned property. If you want your own spot, build yourself a driveway or buy a space.
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