What a horrible, disparaging, disenfranchising thing to say. Black people have now lost the vote and have to use separate toilets again all because of that cartoon. That 2-D drawing on newsprint set back the entire civil rights movement.
I'm not going to sit here and claim or pretend that it's easy to be a black American. I'm not going to claim that politicians and cops always do right by black folks. In fact, they often do wrong by them. But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody.
Is there some sort of historical correlation that I'm missing here? Did minstrel performers eat watermelon as part of the act or something?
This whole incident, and not a few of the reactions to it, are really straining credulity that anyone could be that oblivious. Should we be going with the alternate explanation instead?
But come on, you must have met at least one Black person before leaving Vermont.
Holbert and Cohen both see and admit that the cartoon was a bit ignorant, though they both claim that no ill intent was meant. Just leave well enough alone.
"But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody."
I think a black folk or two were angry about this and complained on this site. And for the record, complaining often does improve the quality of life. You know the squeaky wheel...
It might be easier to let slide if the Herald didn't play to its readers' basest bigotries on a daily basis in its reportorial choices and editorial content. Saying you're sorry really loudly about the cartoon rings hollow, and wouldn't begin to excuse the rest of the Herald's odious legacy on race, either. When you rely on fanning prejudice to make your daily crust, you can't suddenly pretend to care about it when you get called on a really blatant iteration of it.
I also wonder what rock people have been buried under that they can claim obliviousness to the watermelon stereotype. Let me guess: you don't know why white people donning blackface isn't cool, either?
Had white Americans been a minority long-oppressed by an African-American majority that enjoyed entertainments featuring belittling depictions of whites in music-hall acts, using makeup that played to grotesque racial stereotypes, you might have a point with the Wayans brothers' movie.
Satire only works when it afflicts the comfortable. This is why right-wing attempts at satire always flop: they enjoy targeting the afflicted, and so always end up looking like mean-spirited pricks and bullies. They're just not funny.
Here, try this instead. "Man, it's tough to be a white man in America, what with black Hollywood comedies mocking my people via whiteface. Those movies are symbolic of a kind of systematic racism against whites that is really making it hard for me to get an education, a job, a mortgage and a home in a safe neighborhood, and not get harrassed or shot by police and crazy hicks. End the oppression of white people: boycott the Wayans!"
If that sounds so stupid as to be humorous to you, you might be starting to understand why your argument is not just absurd, but offensive.
Mocking white people doesn't have the same effects and consequences as mocking a group that has been historically oppressed. You're smart enough to know the difference, but dumb enough to think that you can fool people into believing that the difference doesn't exist (or that you honestly don't see it).
Irish-Americans used to be greeted by "No Irish" signs at public accommodations and were subject to a host of other social, political and economic indignities. That was then.
This is now. Suggesting that they suffer anything remotely like the discrimination and bigotry that African-Americans still do today, with the attendant diminished quality of life, is utter horseshit.
Sorry, I already forgot: you're ineducable (read: too thick on the uptake) on this subject.
Don't you remember when that neighborhood watch guy harassed and shot an unarmed Irish teenager because he was wearing a scally cap and carrying a bag of Skittles?
A dribbler of a single for getting Scatchie's joke at your expense, but you whiffed on connecting it with my "getting shot by crazy hicks" comment above by pretending that Trayvon Martin is the only black kid to be victimized by armed white bigots in this country. Failing grade, thick-wit.
What the hell is this rambling monologue supposed to tell me? The only relevant sentence in the entire thing is:
On the night in question — the night the cartoon appeared on a page proof, the proof was not left in the proper bin. No senior news editor ever saw it.
Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No word on whether they've fixed whatever process failure led to them publishing something without the editors being involved at all. I mean, what's the point of editors and a newspaper if anyone can submit things and have them published without the newspaper looking them over first? The first time an editor sees it is in a physical page proof? What kind of publishing house is this? It's not 1953 any more.
Of course, there's nothing in there to say that had someone been doing their job it would have been blocked. There's no apology for leaving the original version on their website after the story had become huge and the syndicate had already made the cartoonist provide a revised version through their own editorial discretion. There's no discussion of how she has spoken to the cartoonist about why he didn't contact the Herald when he knew the syndicate had a problem with the original but he left the Herald out to dry on this. I mean, she defends him, but really, he had an opportunity to save the Herald some pain by letting them know the syndicate changed it before publishing for obvious reasons (that he claims STILL weren't obvious to him after they asked for raspberry instead of watermelon).
Finally, this bullshit notion that "news" and "opinion" are separate at the Herald is so far fetched. For the past umpteen years, "News&Opinion" has been their moniker and claim to fame. They let their news writers get away with murder in their articles and their opinion writers write about news the way O'Reilly does and Glenn Beck used to at Fox News. They do a "news show" on a "news station" but call it their "opinion schedule" and expect everyone to lose sight of the difference allowing conjecture to become news. The Herald is cut from this same cloth and intentionally blurs the line she supposedly sees so clearly because she has to go downstairs to see the news room.
The guy who did the cartoon. He sounded like someone who had been hit squarely in the forehead with a ball peen hammer. I'm not quite willing to give him or his employers a pass on this, but he really didn't sound like he was about to convene a Klaven.
Maybe that's worse than intentional, out and out racism. I don't know.
I've heard that from a few sources (or maybe it's a few people repeating the same sources). But how is that even possible? It would require ignorance of several things that any editorial cartoonist would reasonably be expected to know -- particularly one working for that particular fishwrap, and professing to have the (non-racist) views that he claims.
People absent-mindedly leave their kids in hot cars to die. I'm able to more swallow the idea that he really did see his kid's toothpaste and ran with it without even giving it a second consideration. Let's give him that pass this time. It's not like he has a history of bigotry in his comics.
I do still hold him accountable for not contacting the Herald when his syndicate made him go through a re-write. I mean, come on, guy. The syndicate made you fix something and you didn't think the Herald might want to know about it too? If it was a misspelling where you wrote Obuma accidentally, would you have forgotten to tell the Herald?
However, this is the editor apologizing for not being an editor. And doing a piss-poor job of an apology (although a far sight better than anyone who gives an "I'm sorry YOU can't interpret me correctly" type of apology...so to her credit with that in this times we live in where non-apologies happen where apologies should).
I noticed she doesn't bother to try to explain how she could have looked at that cartoon and not seen what should be immediately and glaringly obvious.
She says she should have noticed and didn't. Trying to explain it away would be trying to excuse her lapse. Instead, she's taken responsibility for it.
She explained how text gets an eagle eye, while images tend not to get the scrunity.
She also explained how Holbert got death threats for doing cartoons in favor of ending the segregation of public housing in Boston.
It was a good piece, and note that she penned it weeks after the incident. She nutted up and explained how she failed. That's how good apologies work. Or does one need the IQ of me, a Herald reader, to know that?
A bit crass, but I can't think of a good female equivalent. I suppose if I had thought about this for a bit, I would have come up with something less offensive, but no offense intended.
Of course, this is what Holbert has been thinking for the past few weeks, too.
...and certainly not saying you think that integrity is a virtue with a strong connection to testes; however, if it helps in the future, I can think of quite a few non-gendered equivalents such as step up, own up (works in this case), take responsibility, do the right thing, etc.
(but at the same time I confess that the expression "nutted up" makes me giggle every time I see it. Yeah, I'm childish and easily amused.)
All apologies should be this straightforward - no "but", no "someone else should have", no "sorry if you were offended." Just "I screwed up, this is what happened, no one else is to blame, I'm sorry."
As a semi-regular writer for this paper some here continually disparage, I've actually had opportunity to meet Rachelle Cohen, dine with her, see what she's like as a person. She is sharp and she is also as straightforward as her apology. She is also - despite the sexist way of putting it - what we used to call in Dorchester "a stand up guy". That's obvious from the way she didn't lay it on anyone else.
Then why does her paper promote ignorance and bigotry on an almost daily basis? Based on that alone, Ms. Cohen, who I'm sure is a lovely person, in no way qualifies as a "stand up guy", at least not in anyway I was taught growing up.
well she might be a nice person to you in person but she makes a living promoting racism, sexism and homophobia, so perhaps we have different opinions on what what a stand up guy means. Or maybe she is just after the buck and knows how to market to the bigot demographic.
Or let's put it another way, Suldog writes pieces that are sometimes run in the Herald. Are you saying he is racist, sexist, and/or homophobic?
Do you understand the difference between an editor, who has overall control over the content of a newspaper, and an occasional author, who has control over the content of the pieces he occasionally writes?
Do you therefore, by extension, understand the difference between holding the editor of the Herald responsible for the content of the Herald, and holding Suldog responsible for the content of the articles in the Herald that he did not write?
Comments
Hey everybody, the black guy eats fruit
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 6:34pm
What a horrible, disparaging, disenfranchising thing to say. Black people have now lost the vote and have to use separate toilets again all because of that cartoon. That 2-D drawing on newsprint set back the entire civil rights movement.
I'm not going to sit here and claim or pretend that it's easy to be a black American. I'm not going to claim that politicians and cops always do right by black folks. In fact, they often do wrong by them. But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody.
Is there some sort of historical correlation that I'm missing here? Did minstrel performers eat watermelon as part of the act or something?
Oh, please
By lbb
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 6:41pm
Do you seriously have the crust to accuse others of trolling after writing a piece of drama like that? Really?
lmgtfy
It was a sincere question
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 6:46pm
I want the best historian in here to tell me why "black people eat watermelon" became a thing in the first place.
You don't need a historian
By moxie
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 6:56pm
Can I google that for you? Specifically "black stereotype watermelon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype
But I think that you probably already knew that, eh?
Exact origin unclear.
By anon
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:17am
Exact origin unclear.
Btw, why so hostile?
Btw, why so disingenuous?
By lbb
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:35am
Btw, why so disingenuous?
This whole incident, and not a few of the reactions to it, are really straining credulity that anyone could be that oblivious. Should we be going with the alternate explanation instead?
Fixed it!
By erik g
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:24pm
You can go home, everytbody. Will has solved racism.
Who knew that all it needed was a keen eye and a complete disregard for historical precedent?
The Herald
By bulgingbuick
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:02pm
is what a bird in a cage sees when it looks down. Herald readers, what the bird drops on the Herald at the bottom of the cage.
That made me die laughing.
By anon
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:38pm
That made me die laughing. Herald Readers have the IQ of room temperature.
should read everything...
By teric
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:08am
including the herald; makes you smahta...is that room temp in a heating or cooling season?
Oh, Will, your roots are showing
By Waquiot
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 8:37pm
But come on, you must have met at least one Black person before leaving Vermont.
Holbert and Cohen both see and admit that the cartoon was a bit ignorant, though they both claim that no ill intent was meant. Just leave well enough alone.
Do some reading
By Kaz
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 9:34am
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversity/african/...
C'mon guys, lighten up
By Scratchie
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 9:51am
If a stupid white guy from Vermont can't understand why the stereotype isn't offensive, then it isn't offensive. Q.E. Fucking D.
Hey, don't insult Vermonters
By lbb
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 11:15am
Hey, don't insult Vermonters like that.
Not insulting ALL Vermont folks....
By Michael Kerpan
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 11:32am
... only stupid ones.
Are There No Black Complainers on UHUB?
By Sunny
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:21am
"But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody."
I think a black folk or two were angry about this and complained on this site. And for the record, complaining often does improve the quality of life. You know the squeaky wheel...
Not buying it, not even a bit.
By MC Slim JB
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:00pm
It might be easier to let slide if the Herald didn't play to its readers' basest bigotries on a daily basis in its reportorial choices and editorial content. Saying you're sorry really loudly about the cartoon rings hollow, and wouldn't begin to excuse the rest of the Herald's odious legacy on race, either. When you rely on fanning prejudice to make your daily crust, you can't suddenly pretend to care about it when you get called on a really blatant iteration of it.
I also wonder what rock people have been buried under that they can claim obliviousness to the watermelon stereotype. Let me guess: you don't know why white people donning blackface isn't cool, either?
EBT, Obama, EBT
By bulgingbuick
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:06pm
Illegals, EBT Deval, EBT, Illegals, Marsha. You can actually print a whole newspaper with just 5 words.
Don't forget
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 8:25pm
Whitey.
Who?
By SoBoYuppie
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:59am
Who is that?
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
Ah - Black Face
By relaxyapsycho
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:18am
You must have been deeply offended when the Wayans brothers released a major motion picture called "White Chicks".
Another specious example that ignores history
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:53am
Had white Americans been a minority long-oppressed by an African-American majority that enjoyed entertainments featuring belittling depictions of whites in music-hall acts, using makeup that played to grotesque racial stereotypes, you might have a point with the Wayans brothers' movie.
Satire only works when it afflicts the comfortable. This is why right-wing attempts at satire always flop: they enjoy targeting the afflicted, and so always end up looking like mean-spirited pricks and bullies. They're just not funny.
Here, try this instead. "Man, it's tough to be a white man in America, what with black Hollywood comedies mocking my people via whiteface. Those movies are symbolic of a kind of systematic racism against whites that is really making it hard for me to get an education, a job, a mortgage and a home in a safe neighborhood, and not get harrassed or shot by police and crazy hicks. End the oppression of white people: boycott the Wayans!"
If that sounds so stupid as to be humorous to you, you might be starting to understand why your argument is not just absurd, but offensive.
So in summation...
By relaxyapsycho
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:55am
Mocking white people is fair game. Got it.
If that's all you took away from my explanation,
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:59am
I can't help you further, or rather, I can't be bothered to help you further.
Mocking white people doesn't
By lbb
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 9:30am
Mocking white people doesn't have the same effects and consequences as mocking a group that has been historically oppressed. You're smart enough to know the difference, but dumb enough to think that you can fool people into believing that the difference doesn't exist (or that you honestly don't see it).
Historically oppressed
By relaxyapsycho
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:09am
Irish people have never been able to relate to that...
But there's a difference between then and now
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:57am
Irish-Americans used to be greeted by "No Irish" signs at public accommodations and were subject to a host of other social, political and economic indignities. That was then.
This is now. Suggesting that they suffer anything remotely like the discrimination and bigotry that African-Americans still do today, with the attendant diminished quality of life, is utter horseshit.
Sorry, I already forgot: you're ineducable (read: too thick on the uptake) on this subject.
Don't you remember when that
By Scratchie
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 12:46pm
Don't you remember when that neighborhood watch guy harassed and shot an unarmed Irish teenager because he was wearing a scally cap and carrying a bag of Skittles?
Ahh, poor lil guy
By relaxyapsycho
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 1:41pm
Are you referencing the incident where eyewitnesses placed the unarmed teen on top of the man carrying a licensed firearm?
You go 1 for 2 there
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 2:23pm
A dribbler of a single for getting Scatchie's joke at your expense, but you whiffed on connecting it with my "getting shot by crazy hicks" comment above by pretending that Trayvon Martin is the only black kid to be victimized by armed white bigots in this country. Failing grade, thick-wit.
Wait....
By Lmo
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:33pm
George Zimmerman is white?
Depends
By orangekrate
Fri, 10/17/2014 - 12:02pm
Depends on who you ask.
Also
By Kaz
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:21am
What the hell is this rambling monologue supposed to tell me? The only relevant sentence in the entire thing is:
Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No word on whether they've fixed whatever process failure led to them publishing something without the editors being involved at all. I mean, what's the point of editors and a newspaper if anyone can submit things and have them published without the newspaper looking them over first? The first time an editor sees it is in a physical page proof? What kind of publishing house is this? It's not 1953 any more.
Of course, there's nothing in there to say that had someone been doing their job it would have been blocked. There's no apology for leaving the original version on their website after the story had become huge and the syndicate had already made the cartoonist provide a revised version through their own editorial discretion. There's no discussion of how she has spoken to the cartoonist about why he didn't contact the Herald when he knew the syndicate had a problem with the original but he left the Herald out to dry on this. I mean, she defends him, but really, he had an opportunity to save the Herald some pain by letting them know the syndicate changed it before publishing for obvious reasons (that he claims STILL weren't obvious to him after they asked for raspberry instead of watermelon).
Finally, this bullshit notion that "news" and "opinion" are separate at the Herald is so far fetched. For the past umpteen years, "News&Opinion" has been their moniker and claim to fame. They let their news writers get away with murder in their articles and their opinion writers write about news the way O'Reilly does and Glenn Beck used to at Fox News. They do a "news show" on a "news station" but call it their "opinion schedule" and expect everyone to lose sight of the difference allowing conjecture to become news. The Herald is cut from this same cloth and intentionally blurs the line she supposedly sees so clearly because she has to go downstairs to see the news room.
I heard Holbert on WBZ a few nites later
By moxie
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:06pm
The guy who did the cartoon. He sounded like someone who had been hit squarely in the forehead with a ball peen hammer. I'm not quite willing to give him or his employers a pass on this, but he really didn't sound like he was about to convene a Klaven.
Maybe that's worse than intentional, out and out racism. I don't know.
I've heard that from a few
By lbb
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:30pm
I've heard that from a few sources (or maybe it's a few people repeating the same sources). But how is that even possible? It would require ignorance of several things that any editorial cartoonist would reasonably be expected to know -- particularly one working for that particular fishwrap, and professing to have the (non-racist) views that he claims.
People leave their kids in cars
By Kaz
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 10:25am
People absent-mindedly leave their kids in hot cars to die. I'm able to more swallow the idea that he really did see his kid's toothpaste and ran with it without even giving it a second consideration. Let's give him that pass this time. It's not like he has a history of bigotry in his comics.
I do still hold him accountable for not contacting the Herald when his syndicate made him go through a re-write. I mean, come on, guy. The syndicate made you fix something and you didn't think the Herald might want to know about it too? If it was a misspelling where you wrote Obuma accidentally, would you have forgotten to tell the Herald?
However, this is the editor apologizing for not being an editor. And doing a piss-poor job of an apology (although a far sight better than anyone who gives an "I'm sorry YOU can't interpret me correctly" type of apology...so to her credit with that in this times we live in where non-apologies happen where apologies should).
I noticed
By Gregl
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:19pm
I noticed she doesn't bother to try to explain how she could have looked at that cartoon and not seen what should be immediately and glaringly obvious.
That's part of not making excuses
By mg
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:43pm
She says she should have noticed and didn't. Trying to explain it away would be trying to excuse her lapse. Instead, she's taken responsibility for it.
So, you didn't read the article
By Waquiot
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 8:42pm
She explained how text gets an eagle eye, while images tend not to get the scrunity.
She also explained how Holbert got death threats for doing cartoons in favor of ending the segregation of public housing in Boston.
It was a good piece, and note that she penned it weeks after the incident. She nutted up and explained how she failed. That's how good apologies work. Or does one need the IQ of me, a Herald reader, to know that?
"nutted up"?
By lbb
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:31pm
Oh my. In view of her gender, is this supposed to be an improvement over "man up"?
Going old school
By Waquiot
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 12:23am
A bit crass, but I can't think of a good female equivalent. I suppose if I had thought about this for a bit, I would have come up with something less offensive, but no offense intended.
Of course, this is what Holbert has been thinking for the past few weeks, too.
Not questioning your intentions
By lbb
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:40am
...and certainly not saying you think that integrity is a virtue with a strong connection to testes; however, if it helps in the future, I can think of quite a few non-gendered equivalents such as step up, own up (works in this case), take responsibility, do the right thing, etc.
(but at the same time I confess that the expression "nutted up" makes me giggle every time I see it. Yeah, I'm childish and easily amused.)
I finally got one
By Waquiot
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 12:24pm
"sucked it up" Yes, some might take a sexual connotation, but one would have to be thinking that when they read it. Step up is a good one.
Still, she could have assumed that it had blown over, but she did the right thing, albeit after the fact.
A very nicely done apology
By mg
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:27pm
All apologies should be this straightforward - no "but", no "someone else should have", no "sorry if you were offended." Just "I screwed up, this is what happened, no one else is to blame, I'm sorry."
Rachelle Cohen
By Suldog
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 8:22pm
As a semi-regular writer for this paper some here continually disparage, I've actually had opportunity to meet Rachelle Cohen, dine with her, see what she's like as a person. She is sharp and she is also as straightforward as her apology. She is also - despite the sexist way of putting it - what we used to call in Dorchester "a stand up guy". That's obvious from the way she didn't lay it on anyone else.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Really?
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 8:28pm
Then why does her paper promote ignorance and bigotry on an almost daily basis? Based on that alone, Ms. Cohen, who I'm sure is a lovely person, in no way qualifies as a "stand up guy", at least not in anyway I was taught growing up.
Shelly Cohen
By bulgingbuick
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 9:35pm
hasn't been relevant in 20 years. A newspaper hacks hack and a quota filled.
well she might be a nice
By anon
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:01pm
well she might be a nice person to you in person but she makes a living promoting racism, sexism and homophobia, so perhaps we have different opinions on what what a stand up guy means. Or maybe she is just after the buck and knows how to market to the bigot demographic.
Does she really
By Waquiot
Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:23pm
Make a living promoting racism, sexism, and homophobia? Have you ever read the Herald?
Or let's put it another way, Suldog writes pieces that are sometimes run in the Herald. Are you saying he is racist, sexist, and/or homophobic?
Do you understand the difference
By Bob Leponge
Thu, 10/16/2014 - 12:31am
Do you understand the difference between an editor, who has overall control over the content of a newspaper, and an occasional author, who has control over the content of the pieces he occasionally writes?
Editor
Author
Do you therefore, by extension, understand the difference between holding the editor of the Herald responsible for the content of the Herald, and holding Suldog responsible for the content of the articles in the Herald that he did not write?
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