What a horrible, disparaging, disenfranchising thing to say. Black people have now lost the vote and have to use separate toilets again all because of that cartoon. That 2-D drawing on newsprint set back the entire civil rights movement.
I'm not going to sit here and claim or pretend that it's easy to be a black American. I'm not going to claim that politicians and cops always do right by black folks. In fact, they often do wrong by them. But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody.
Is there some sort of historical correlation that I'm missing here? Did minstrel performers eat watermelon as part of the act or something?
This whole incident, and not a few of the reactions to it, are really straining credulity that anyone could be that oblivious. Should we be going with the alternate explanation instead?
But come on, you must have met at least one Black person before leaving Vermont.
Holbert and Cohen both see and admit that the cartoon was a bit ignorant, though they both claim that no ill intent was meant. Just leave well enough alone.
"But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody."
I think a black folk or two were angry about this and complained on this site. And for the record, complaining often does improve the quality of life. You know the squeaky wheel...
It might be easier to let slide if the Herald didn't play to its readers' basest bigotries on a daily basis in its reportorial choices and editorial content. Saying you're sorry really loudly about the cartoon rings hollow, and wouldn't begin to excuse the rest of the Herald's odious legacy on race, either. When you rely on fanning prejudice to make your daily crust, you can't suddenly pretend to care about it when you get called on a really blatant iteration of it.
I also wonder what rock people have been buried under that they can claim obliviousness to the watermelon stereotype. Let me guess: you don't know why white people donning blackface isn't cool, either?
Had white Americans been a minority long-oppressed by an African-American majority that enjoyed entertainments featuring belittling depictions of whites in music-hall acts, using makeup that played to grotesque racial stereotypes, you might have a point with the Wayans brothers' movie.
Satire only works when it afflicts the comfortable. This is why right-wing attempts at satire always flop: they enjoy targeting the afflicted, and so always end up looking like mean-spirited pricks and bullies. They're just not funny.
Here, try this instead. "Man, it's tough to be a white man in America, what with black Hollywood comedies mocking my people via whiteface. Those movies are symbolic of a kind of systematic racism against whites that is really making it hard for me to get an education, a job, a mortgage and a home in a safe neighborhood, and not get harrassed or shot by police and crazy hicks. End the oppression of white people: boycott the Wayans!"
If that sounds so stupid as to be humorous to you, you might be starting to understand why your argument is not just absurd, but offensive.
Mocking white people doesn't have the same effects and consequences as mocking a group that has been historically oppressed. You're smart enough to know the difference, but dumb enough to think that you can fool people into believing that the difference doesn't exist (or that you honestly don't see it).
Irish-Americans used to be greeted by "No Irish" signs at public accommodations and were subject to a host of other social, political and economic indignities. That was then.
This is now. Suggesting that they suffer anything remotely like the discrimination and bigotry that African-Americans still do today, with the attendant diminished quality of life, is utter horseshit.
Sorry, I already forgot: you're ineducable (read: too thick on the uptake) on this subject.
Don't you remember when that neighborhood watch guy harassed and shot an unarmed Irish teenager because he was wearing a scally cap and carrying a bag of Skittles?
A dribbler of a single for getting Scatchie's joke at your expense, but you whiffed on connecting it with my "getting shot by crazy hicks" comment above by pretending that Trayvon Martin is the only black kid to be victimized by armed white bigots in this country. Failing grade, thick-wit.
What the hell is this rambling monologue supposed to tell me? The only relevant sentence in the entire thing is:
On the night in question โ the night the cartoon appeared on a page proof, the proof was not left in the proper bin. No senior news editor ever saw it.
Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No word on whether they've fixed whatever process failure led to them publishing something without the editors being involved at all. I mean, what's the point of editors and a newspaper if anyone can submit things and have them published without the newspaper looking them over first? The first time an editor sees it is in a physical page proof? What kind of publishing house is this? It's not 1953 any more.
Of course, there's nothing in there to say that had someone been doing their job it would have been blocked. There's no apology for leaving the original version on their website after the story had become huge and the syndicate had already made the cartoonist provide a revised version through their own editorial discretion. There's no discussion of how she has spoken to the cartoonist about why he didn't contact the Herald when he knew the syndicate had a problem with the original but he left the Herald out to dry on this. I mean, she defends him, but really, he had an opportunity to save the Herald some pain by letting them know the syndicate changed it before publishing for obvious reasons (that he claims STILL weren't obvious to him after they asked for raspberry instead of watermelon).
Finally, this bullshit notion that "news" and "opinion" are separate at the Herald is so far fetched. For the past umpteen years, "News&Opinion" has been their moniker and claim to fame. They let their news writers get away with murder in their articles and their opinion writers write about news the way O'Reilly does and Glenn Beck used to at Fox News. They do a "news show" on a "news station" but call it their "opinion schedule" and expect everyone to lose sight of the difference allowing conjecture to become news. The Herald is cut from this same cloth and intentionally blurs the line she supposedly sees so clearly because she has to go downstairs to see the news room.
The guy who did the cartoon. He sounded like someone who had been hit squarely in the forehead with a ball peen hammer. I'm not quite willing to give him or his employers a pass on this, but he really didn't sound like he was about to convene a Klaven.
Maybe that's worse than intentional, out and out racism. I don't know.
I've heard that from a few sources (or maybe it's a few people repeating the same sources). But how is that even possible? It would require ignorance of several things that any editorial cartoonist would reasonably be expected to know -- particularly one working for that particular fishwrap, and professing to have the (non-racist) views that he claims.
People absent-mindedly leave their kids in hot cars to die. I'm able to more swallow the idea that he really did see his kid's toothpaste and ran with it without even giving it a second consideration. Let's give him that pass this time. It's not like he has a history of bigotry in his comics.
I do still hold him accountable for not contacting the Herald when his syndicate made him go through a re-write. I mean, come on, guy. The syndicate made you fix something and you didn't think the Herald might want to know about it too? If it was a misspelling where you wrote Obuma accidentally, would you have forgotten to tell the Herald?
However, this is the editor apologizing for not being an editor. And doing a piss-poor job of an apology (although a far sight better than anyone who gives an "I'm sorry YOU can't interpret me correctly" type of apology...so to her credit with that in this times we live in where non-apologies happen where apologies should).
I noticed she doesn't bother to try to explain how she could have looked at that cartoon and not seen what should be immediately and glaringly obvious.
She says she should have noticed and didn't. Trying to explain it away would be trying to excuse her lapse. Instead, she's taken responsibility for it.
She explained how text gets an eagle eye, while images tend not to get the scrunity.
She also explained how Holbert got death threats for doing cartoons in favor of ending the segregation of public housing in Boston.
It was a good piece, and note that she penned it weeks after the incident. She nutted up and explained how she failed. That's how good apologies work. Or does one need the IQ of me, a Herald reader, to know that?
A bit crass, but I can't think of a good female equivalent. I suppose if I had thought about this for a bit, I would have come up with something less offensive, but no offense intended.
Of course, this is what Holbert has been thinking for the past few weeks, too.
...and certainly not saying you think that integrity is a virtue with a strong connection to testes; however, if it helps in the future, I can think of quite a few non-gendered equivalents such as step up, own up (works in this case), take responsibility, do the right thing, etc.
(but at the same time I confess that the expression "nutted up" makes me giggle every time I see it. Yeah, I'm childish and easily amused.)
All apologies should be this straightforward - no "but", no "someone else should have", no "sorry if you were offended." Just "I screwed up, this is what happened, no one else is to blame, I'm sorry."
As a semi-regular writer for this paper some here continually disparage, I've actually had opportunity to meet Rachelle Cohen, dine with her, see what she's like as a person. She is sharp and she is also as straightforward as her apology. She is also - despite the sexist way of putting it - what we used to call in Dorchester "a stand up guy". That's obvious from the way she didn't lay it on anyone else.
Then why does her paper promote ignorance and bigotry on an almost daily basis? Based on that alone, Ms. Cohen, who I'm sure is a lovely person, in no way qualifies as a "stand up guy", at least not in anyway I was taught growing up.
well she might be a nice person to you in person but she makes a living promoting racism, sexism and homophobia, so perhaps we have different opinions on what what a stand up guy means. Or maybe she is just after the buck and knows how to market to the bigot demographic.
Or let's put it another way, Suldog writes pieces that are sometimes run in the Herald. Are you saying he is racist, sexist, and/or homophobic?
Do you understand the difference between an editor, who has overall control over the content of a newspaper, and an occasional author, who has control over the content of the pieces he occasionally writes?
Do you therefore, by extension, understand the difference between holding the editor of the Herald responsible for the content of the Herald, and holding Suldog responsible for the content of the articles in the Herald that he did not write?
Ms. Cohen is editor of the op-ed page, not of the newspaper as a whole. If someone has a problem with the overall content of the Herald, they need to cast a wider net to come up with the person or people responsible.
In case anyone here doesn't understand their function, the op-ed pages are where opinions are allowed to thrive. These may or may not be the stance or slant of the paper as an entity. For example, Jeff Jacoby appears on the Globe op-ed pages and regularly takes a more conservative view than that for which his paper is noted. Another example? Letters to the editor, which often state that something was incorrectly reported or may vie to make an opposing viewpoint to that expressed by a Herald writer.
So, Ms. Cohen may rightly be held responsible for what appears in her section of the paper - and she embraced that notion in her piece - but her section is also where many are given a chance to express views which may or may not be hers personally. For anyone - not necessarily you, Bob, but there are many here - to excoriate her for other perceived notions they have concerning the Herald's content is pure ignorance.
I'm sorry, there's nothing perceived in a newspaper that regularly panders to the fears and prejudices of people who weren't taught better.
I would ask you then am I perceiving something in error when Laurel Sweet finds it pertinent to mention in a story on a black offender's being " a practicing Muslim" or the racist rantings of Howie Carr? Or the ridiculous rantings of morons like Jennifer Braceras and the execrable Adriana Cohen?
You'll forgive me, Suldog, but this is not a paper that prides itself as a beacon of the First Amendment, it prides itself as the rag of choice of the ignorant. Therefore, if Ms.Cohen chooses to associate herself with such drivel, you'll understand why I don't give her a pass on this one. She knew exactly what she was doing and who that cartoon was supposed to appeal to.
But perhaps I confused things with what I wrote. The editorial pages of the Herald, by and large, reflect a conservative viewpoint. Not a racist viewpoint, nor a sexist viewpoint, nor a homophobic viewpoint. I would not even try to claim that all of those whose work appear on the pages are not racist, sexist, or homophobic (and I would not give that claim to the Globe's writers, either), but read some of Jonah Goldberg's columns and you will see that conservative and these things are not the same.
People get all worked up by the Herald. The opposite side gets worked up by the Globe. These are major newspapers. They do offer tempered viewpoints of the right and left respectively. Tarring Cohen as done above would be akin to saying that her equivalent at the Globe makes his living by promoting socialism and America bashing. It's just a horrible charge.
Tarring Cohen as done above would be akin to saying that her equivalent at the Globe makes his living by promoting socialism and America bashing. It's just a horrible charge.
One which Cohen and her colleagues are only too happy to make, over and over again.
Have you met her? Have you sat down with her and discussed the state of the media in Boston? Suldog has, and he seems to note otherwise.
There's a columnist at the Herald who used to write in the sports pages (as he likes to mention). I have heard from others that he is not the nicest of guys, and while his columns (and this is on the news side, not the editorial page side) display a strong social conservativism, he never speaks ill of other newspapers in the city, in fact penning a column noting how bad things would be in Boston if the Globe went out (which, as you remember, the New York Times was threatening).
Again, make all sorts of accusations about the readerships of Boston's dailies, and even though I would challenge them (I subscribe to the Globe, buy the Herald at the newsstand en route to work, and do the Metro's Sudoku), I would see the points given. Howie Carr (a "news" columnist, not an editorial columnist) aside, the papers present quite moderate versions of their ideological leanings. They are professionals, and if you read what Cohen wrote, she feels horrible about the failure to go the job well that has lead to all of this.
Would there be the same outrage if the late JFK was depicted enjoying a boiled dinner or Guiness? Former Mayor Menino enjoying pizza, pasta, or wine? No there absolutly would not be.
Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans were routinely depicted as eating those traditional foods in a stereotypical way that disparaged them as simple-minded, child-like, ignorant rustics, the way African-Americans eating watermelon were.
The slur dates back to the days of slavery and is a stubborn one: there are emails widely circulated among racist right-wingers that depict the President gleefully eating watermelon, and signs at Teabagger rallies doing the same.
Nice try at excusing the Herald's sorry-not-sorry racism, though.
The Irish aren't commonly depicted as brawling, beer pounding fall down drunks? You've never encountered the stereotype of the fat ignorant "gabagool" munching italian man? White guilt really does blind some people.
Maybe it's all that "white guilt" that allows some of us to recognize distinctions that evade those of you who view the world in black and white (literally as well as figuratively). For instance, I can (and do) see the drunken Irish stereotype or the goombata Italian stereotype as offensive, objectionable and harmful to a degree, while at the same time understanding that at this point in history, those stereotypes do not significantly restrict the social, economic or political options of people of Irish or Italian descent. These stereotypes might cost you the friendship or esteem of someone who's fool enough to give any weight to them, but they won't cost you a job. If it's "white guilt" that makes me capable of understanding this distinction, then yay white guilt, bring it on.
Stereotypical depictions of Italian- and Irish-Americans are indeed offensive, but their impact on the lives of their targets are no longer within two orders of magnitude of how virulent bigotry, reinforced by pejorative black stereotypes, manages to tightly, adversely circumscribe the lives of African-Americans. Attempts to conflate the two in 2014 are ridiculous and even offensive.
We live in a white supremacist society. White Irish, Italian, etc are privileged in it. Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed for centuries.
I read too much about crazy conspiracy theories, and I spent too much time in Buffalo one summer (nothing against Buffalo, it was a great trip) so I put 1 + 1 together and made up my own JFK conspiracy.
I just need one for James Garfield. I think watching Die Hard 3 a bunch of times in a row will help me out. Won't help anyone around me, but I'll have all the presidential assassinations covered.
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Hey everybody, the black guy eats fruit
What a horrible, disparaging, disenfranchising thing to say. Black people have now lost the vote and have to use separate toilets again all because of that cartoon. That 2-D drawing on newsprint set back the entire civil rights movement.
I'm not going to sit here and claim or pretend that it's easy to be a black American. I'm not going to claim that politicians and cops always do right by black folks. In fact, they often do wrong by them. But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody.
Is there some sort of historical correlation that I'm missing here? Did minstrel performers eat watermelon as part of the act or something?
Oh, please
Do you seriously have the crust to accuse others of trolling after writing a piece of drama like that? Really?
lmgtfy
It was a sincere question
I want the best historian in here to tell me why "black people eat watermelon" became a thing in the first place.
You don't need a historian
Can I google that for you? Specifically "black stereotype watermelon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_stereotype
But I think that you probably already knew that, eh?
Exact origin unclear.
Exact origin unclear.
Btw, why so hostile?
Btw, why so disingenuous?
Btw, why so disingenuous?
This whole incident, and not a few of the reactions to it, are really straining credulity that anyone could be that oblivious. Should we be going with the alternate explanation instead?
Fixed it!
You can go home, everytbody. Will has solved racism.
Who knew that all it needed was a keen eye and a complete disregard for historical precedent?
The Herald
is what a bird in a cage sees when it looks down. Herald readers, what the bird drops on the Herald at the bottom of the cage.
That made me die laughing.
That made me die laughing. Herald Readers have the IQ of room temperature.
should read everything...
including the herald; makes you smahta...is that room temp in a heating or cooling season?
Oh, Will, your roots are showing
But come on, you must have met at least one Black person before leaving Vermont.
Holbert and Cohen both see and admit that the cartoon was a bit ignorant, though they both claim that no ill intent was meant. Just leave well enough alone.
Do some reading
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversity/african/3-coon/5-chickwatermel...
C'mon guys, lighten up
If a stupid white guy from Vermont can't understand why the stereotype isn't offensive, then it isn't offensive. Q.E. Fucking D.
Hey, don't insult Vermonters
Hey, don't insult Vermonters like that.
Not insulting ALL Vermont folks....
... only stupid ones.
Are There No Black Complainers on UHUB?
"But when non-black people troll about this, it makes me take the complainers and their complaints less seriously, and that doesn't improve the quality of life for anybody."
I think a black folk or two were angry about this and complained on this site. And for the record, complaining often does improve the quality of life. You know the squeaky wheel...
Not buying it, not even a bit.
It might be easier to let slide if the Herald didn't play to its readers' basest bigotries on a daily basis in its reportorial choices and editorial content. Saying you're sorry really loudly about the cartoon rings hollow, and wouldn't begin to excuse the rest of the Herald's odious legacy on race, either. When you rely on fanning prejudice to make your daily crust, you can't suddenly pretend to care about it when you get called on a really blatant iteration of it.
I also wonder what rock people have been buried under that they can claim obliviousness to the watermelon stereotype. Let me guess: you don't know why white people donning blackface isn't cool, either?
EBT, Obama, EBT
Illegals, EBT Deval, EBT, Illegals, Marsha. You can actually print a whole newspaper with just 5 words.
Don't forget
Whitey.
Who?
Who is that?
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
Ah - Black Face
You must have been deeply offended when the Wayans brothers released a major motion picture called "White Chicks".
Another specious example that ignores history
Had white Americans been a minority long-oppressed by an African-American majority that enjoyed entertainments featuring belittling depictions of whites in music-hall acts, using makeup that played to grotesque racial stereotypes, you might have a point with the Wayans brothers' movie.
Satire only works when it afflicts the comfortable. This is why right-wing attempts at satire always flop: they enjoy targeting the afflicted, and so always end up looking like mean-spirited pricks and bullies. They're just not funny.
Here, try this instead. "Man, it's tough to be a white man in America, what with black Hollywood comedies mocking my people via whiteface. Those movies are symbolic of a kind of systematic racism against whites that is really making it hard for me to get an education, a job, a mortgage and a home in a safe neighborhood, and not get harrassed or shot by police and crazy hicks. End the oppression of white people: boycott the Wayans!"
If that sounds so stupid as to be humorous to you, you might be starting to understand why your argument is not just absurd, but offensive.
So in summation...
Mocking white people is fair game. Got it.
If that's all you took away from my explanation,
I can't help you further, or rather, I can't be bothered to help you further.
Mocking white people doesn't
Mocking white people doesn't have the same effects and consequences as mocking a group that has been historically oppressed. You're smart enough to know the difference, but dumb enough to think that you can fool people into believing that the difference doesn't exist (or that you honestly don't see it).
Historically oppressed
Irish people have never been able to relate to that...
But there's a difference between then and now
Irish-Americans used to be greeted by "No Irish" signs at public accommodations and were subject to a host of other social, political and economic indignities. That was then.
This is now. Suggesting that they suffer anything remotely like the discrimination and bigotry that African-Americans still do today, with the attendant diminished quality of life, is utter horseshit.
Sorry, I already forgot: you're ineducable (read: too thick on the uptake) on this subject.
Don't you remember when that
Don't you remember when that neighborhood watch guy harassed and shot an unarmed Irish teenager because he was wearing a scally cap and carrying a bag of Skittles?
Ahh, poor lil guy
Are you referencing the incident where eyewitnesses placed the unarmed teen on top of the man carrying a licensed firearm?
You go 1 for 2 there
A dribbler of a single for getting Scatchie's joke at your expense, but you whiffed on connecting it with my "getting shot by crazy hicks" comment above by pretending that Trayvon Martin is the only black kid to be victimized by armed white bigots in this country. Failing grade, thick-wit.
Wait....
George Zimmerman is white?
Depends
Depends on who you ask.
Also
What the hell is this rambling monologue supposed to tell me? The only relevant sentence in the entire thing is:
Somebody was asleep at the wheel. No word on whether they've fixed whatever process failure led to them publishing something without the editors being involved at all. I mean, what's the point of editors and a newspaper if anyone can submit things and have them published without the newspaper looking them over first? The first time an editor sees it is in a physical page proof? What kind of publishing house is this? It's not 1953 any more.
Of course, there's nothing in there to say that had someone been doing their job it would have been blocked. There's no apology for leaving the original version on their website after the story had become huge and the syndicate had already made the cartoonist provide a revised version through their own editorial discretion. There's no discussion of how she has spoken to the cartoonist about why he didn't contact the Herald when he knew the syndicate had a problem with the original but he left the Herald out to dry on this. I mean, she defends him, but really, he had an opportunity to save the Herald some pain by letting them know the syndicate changed it before publishing for obvious reasons (that he claims STILL weren't obvious to him after they asked for raspberry instead of watermelon).
Finally, this bullshit notion that "news" and "opinion" are separate at the Herald is so far fetched. For the past umpteen years, "News&Opinion" has been their moniker and claim to fame. They let their news writers get away with murder in their articles and their opinion writers write about news the way O'Reilly does and Glenn Beck used to at Fox News. They do a "news show" on a "news station" but call it their "opinion schedule" and expect everyone to lose sight of the difference allowing conjecture to become news. The Herald is cut from this same cloth and intentionally blurs the line she supposedly sees so clearly because she has to go downstairs to see the news room.
I heard Holbert on WBZ a few nites later
The guy who did the cartoon. He sounded like someone who had been hit squarely in the forehead with a ball peen hammer. I'm not quite willing to give him or his employers a pass on this, but he really didn't sound like he was about to convene a Klaven.
Maybe that's worse than intentional, out and out racism. I don't know.
I've heard that from a few
I've heard that from a few sources (or maybe it's a few people repeating the same sources). But how is that even possible? It would require ignorance of several things that any editorial cartoonist would reasonably be expected to know -- particularly one working for that particular fishwrap, and professing to have the (non-racist) views that he claims.
People leave their kids in cars
People absent-mindedly leave their kids in hot cars to die. I'm able to more swallow the idea that he really did see his kid's toothpaste and ran with it without even giving it a second consideration. Let's give him that pass this time. It's not like he has a history of bigotry in his comics.
I do still hold him accountable for not contacting the Herald when his syndicate made him go through a re-write. I mean, come on, guy. The syndicate made you fix something and you didn't think the Herald might want to know about it too? If it was a misspelling where you wrote Obuma accidentally, would you have forgotten to tell the Herald?
However, this is the editor apologizing for not being an editor. And doing a piss-poor job of an apology (although a far sight better than anyone who gives an "I'm sorry YOU can't interpret me correctly" type of apology...so to her credit with that in this times we live in where non-apologies happen where apologies should).
I noticed
I noticed she doesn't bother to try to explain how she could have looked at that cartoon and not seen what should be immediately and glaringly obvious.
That's part of not making excuses
She says she should have noticed and didn't. Trying to explain it away would be trying to excuse her lapse. Instead, she's taken responsibility for it.
So, you didn't read the article
She explained how text gets an eagle eye, while images tend not to get the scrunity.
She also explained how Holbert got death threats for doing cartoons in favor of ending the segregation of public housing in Boston.
It was a good piece, and note that she penned it weeks after the incident. She nutted up and explained how she failed. That's how good apologies work. Or does one need the IQ of me, a Herald reader, to know that?
"nutted up"?
Oh my. In view of her gender, is this supposed to be an improvement over "man up"?
Going old school
A bit crass, but I can't think of a good female equivalent. I suppose if I had thought about this for a bit, I would have come up with something less offensive, but no offense intended.
Of course, this is what Holbert has been thinking for the past few weeks, too.
Not questioning your intentions
...and certainly not saying you think that integrity is a virtue with a strong connection to testes; however, if it helps in the future, I can think of quite a few non-gendered equivalents such as step up, own up (works in this case), take responsibility, do the right thing, etc.
(but at the same time I confess that the expression "nutted up" makes me giggle every time I see it. Yeah, I'm childish and easily amused.)
I finally got one
"sucked it up" Yes, some might take a sexual connotation, but one would have to be thinking that when they read it. Step up is a good one.
Still, she could have assumed that it had blown over, but she did the right thing, albeit after the fact.
A very nicely done apology
All apologies should be this straightforward - no "but", no "someone else should have", no "sorry if you were offended." Just "I screwed up, this is what happened, no one else is to blame, I'm sorry."
Rachelle Cohen
As a semi-regular writer for this paper some here continually disparage, I've actually had opportunity to meet Rachelle Cohen, dine with her, see what she's like as a person. She is sharp and she is also as straightforward as her apology. She is also - despite the sexist way of putting it - what we used to call in Dorchester "a stand up guy". That's obvious from the way she didn't lay it on anyone else.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Really?
Then why does her paper promote ignorance and bigotry on an almost daily basis? Based on that alone, Ms. Cohen, who I'm sure is a lovely person, in no way qualifies as a "stand up guy", at least not in anyway I was taught growing up.
Shelly Cohen
hasn't been relevant in 20 years. A newspaper hacks hack and a quota filled.
well she might be a nice
well she might be a nice person to you in person but she makes a living promoting racism, sexism and homophobia, so perhaps we have different opinions on what what a stand up guy means. Or maybe she is just after the buck and knows how to market to the bigot demographic.
Does she really
Make a living promoting racism, sexism, and homophobia? Have you ever read the Herald?
Or let's put it another way, Suldog writes pieces that are sometimes run in the Herald. Are you saying he is racist, sexist, and/or homophobic?
Do you understand the difference
Do you understand the difference between an editor, who has overall control over the content of a newspaper, and an occasional author, who has control over the content of the pieces he occasionally writes?
Editor
Author
Do you therefore, by extension, understand the difference between holding the editor of the Herald responsible for the content of the Herald, and holding Suldog responsible for the content of the articles in the Herald that he did not write?
A Further Distinction
Ms. Cohen is editor of the op-ed page, not of the newspaper as a whole. If someone has a problem with the overall content of the Herald, they need to cast a wider net to come up with the person or people responsible.
In case anyone here doesn't understand their function, the op-ed pages are where opinions are allowed to thrive. These may or may not be the stance or slant of the paper as an entity. For example, Jeff Jacoby appears on the Globe op-ed pages and regularly takes a more conservative view than that for which his paper is noted. Another example? Letters to the editor, which often state that something was incorrectly reported or may vie to make an opposing viewpoint to that expressed by a Herald writer.
So, Ms. Cohen may rightly be held responsible for what appears in her section of the paper - and she embraced that notion in her piece - but her section is also where many are given a chance to express views which may or may not be hers personally. For anyone - not necessarily you, Bob, but there are many here - to excoriate her for other perceived notions they have concerning the Herald's content is pure ignorance.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Perceived notions?
I'm sorry, there's nothing perceived in a newspaper that regularly panders to the fears and prejudices of people who weren't taught better.
I would ask you then am I perceiving something in error when Laurel Sweet finds it pertinent to mention in a story on a black offender's being " a practicing Muslim" or the racist rantings of Howie Carr? Or the ridiculous rantings of morons like Jennifer Braceras and the execrable Adriana Cohen?
You'll forgive me, Suldog, but this is not a paper that prides itself as a beacon of the First Amendment, it prides itself as the rag of choice of the ignorant. Therefore, if Ms.Cohen chooses to associate herself with such drivel, you'll understand why I don't give her a pass on this one. She knew exactly what she was doing and who that cartoon was supposed to appeal to.
The example was in her column
But perhaps I confused things with what I wrote. The editorial pages of the Herald, by and large, reflect a conservative viewpoint. Not a racist viewpoint, nor a sexist viewpoint, nor a homophobic viewpoint. I would not even try to claim that all of those whose work appear on the pages are not racist, sexist, or homophobic (and I would not give that claim to the Globe's writers, either), but read some of Jonah Goldberg's columns and you will see that conservative and these things are not the same.
People get all worked up by the Herald. The opposite side gets worked up by the Globe. These are major newspapers. They do offer tempered viewpoints of the right and left respectively. Tarring Cohen as done above would be akin to saying that her equivalent at the Globe makes his living by promoting socialism and America bashing. It's just a horrible charge.
Tarring Cohen as done above
One which Cohen and her colleagues are only too happy to make, over and over again.
Are you sure?
Have you met her? Have you sat down with her and discussed the state of the media in Boston? Suldog has, and he seems to note otherwise.
There's a columnist at the Herald who used to write in the sports pages (as he likes to mention). I have heard from others that he is not the nicest of guys, and while his columns (and this is on the news side, not the editorial page side) display a strong social conservativism, he never speaks ill of other newspapers in the city, in fact penning a column noting how bad things would be in Boston if the Globe went out (which, as you remember, the New York Times was threatening).
Again, make all sorts of accusations about the readerships of Boston's dailies, and even though I would challenge them (I subscribe to the Globe, buy the Herald at the newsstand en route to work, and do the Metro's Sudoku), I would see the points given. Howie Carr (a "news" columnist, not an editorial columnist) aside, the papers present quite moderate versions of their ideological leanings. They are professionals, and if you read what Cohen wrote, she feels horrible about the failure to go the job well that has lead to all of this.
Yes I have read the Herald,
Yes I have read the Herald, and yes she makes a living promoting the filth that populates it.
Would there be the same
Would there be the same outrage if the late JFK was depicted enjoying a boiled dinner or Guiness? Former Mayor Menino enjoying pizza, pasta, or wine? No there absolutly would not be.
You might have a point if
Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans were routinely depicted as eating those traditional foods in a stereotypical way that disparaged them as simple-minded, child-like, ignorant rustics, the way African-Americans eating watermelon were.
The slur dates back to the days of slavery and is a stubborn one: there are emails widely circulated among racist right-wingers that depict the President gleefully eating watermelon, and signs at Teabagger rallies doing the same.
Nice try at excusing the Herald's sorry-not-sorry racism, though.
The Irish aren't commonly
The Irish aren't commonly depicted as brawling, beer pounding fall down drunks? You've never encountered the stereotype of the fat ignorant "gabagool" munching italian man? White guilt really does blind some people.
"White guilt"
Maybe it's all that "white guilt" that allows some of us to recognize distinctions that evade those of you who view the world in black and white (literally as well as figuratively). For instance, I can (and do) see the drunken Irish stereotype or the goombata Italian stereotype as offensive, objectionable and harmful to a degree, while at the same time understanding that at this point in history, those stereotypes do not significantly restrict the social, economic or political options of people of Irish or Italian descent. These stereotypes might cost you the friendship or esteem of someone who's fool enough to give any weight to them, but they won't cost you a job. If it's "white guilt" that makes me capable of understanding this distinction, then yay white guilt, bring it on.
Exactly.
Stereotypical depictions of Italian- and Irish-Americans are indeed offensive, but their impact on the lives of their targets are no longer within two orders of magnitude of how virulent bigotry, reinforced by pejorative black stereotypes, manages to tightly, adversely circumscribe the lives of African-Americans. Attempts to conflate the two in 2014 are ridiculous and even offensive.
I think you're being intellectually dishonest.
We live in a white supremacist society. White Irish, Italian, etc are privileged in it. Blacks in America have been systematically oppressed for centuries.
Quality of current cartoons?
What current cartoons are of that great quality of the cartoons that followed President Theodore Roosevelt?
https://www.google.com/search?q=theodore+roosevelt+cartoons&tbm=isch
Teddy Roosevelt had William McKinley assassinated
And the whole thing was swept under the carpet.
Citation?
Pretty outrageous -- unless unmarked snark.
Somewhat snarky
I read too much about crazy conspiracy theories, and I spent too much time in Buffalo one summer (nothing against Buffalo, it was a great trip) so I put 1 + 1 together and made up my own JFK conspiracy.
I just need one for James Garfield. I think watching Die Hard 3 a bunch of times in a row will help me out. Won't help anyone around me, but I'll have all the presidential assassinations covered.
Oh, please.
"The Boston Herald unaware of possible racism in cartoon".
Suuuure.