We got The Call this evening. Kidlet's response: A quiet "Yeah!"
In a statement, Mayor Walsh said:
This is a public safety issue. I am confident that our roads are safe and drivable, and that our schools will be clear by tomorrow morning. But, I have grave concerns about the status of our sidewalks and the well-being of students walking to and from their bus stops, or needing to stand in the street when they are waiting for the bus. Our crews will continue to remove snow from the streets and bus stops tonight and our top priority is working with residents and businesses to clear sidewalks to ensure that school will be open on Friday.
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THAT...
By bibliotequetress
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 6:50pm
... will certainly get a few batshit crazy housebound parents to shovel the sidewalk.
its the plows in dorchester
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 6:56pm
I just filed a complaint with the city, about a nine foot pile of snow pushed onto the corner blocking the sidewalk in both directions. I keep hearing anouncements about not shoveling snow into the street, what about plows pushing snow up on the sidewalk? thats the real problem.
Seriously?
By MatthewC
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:08pm
It's not two days after the storm. What are they supposed to do at this point? People need to stop bitching and learn to suck it up when things get a little tough. I remember two years ago climbing over a 6' pile of snow on my way to work. I had a blast.
Do you live in Sobo and
By anon
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:39pm
Do you live in Sobo and commute into Boston?
Huh?
By MatthewC
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:27pm
It's Southie. Or South Boston. Don't say "Sobo". Ever.
Agreed.
By Wiffleball
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 6:53am
"Sobo" makes one think of this:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2up7su7CeMU[/youtube]
Holy Shit...
By MatthewC
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 5:06pm
I forgot this existed.
"Sobo" = Boston
By ElizaLeila
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 10:39am
You do know South Boston is Boston, yes? So you're accusing someone of commuting from Boston to Boston?
Brilliant.
Some of us
By ElizaLeila
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 10:37am
Are not in good enough shape to clamber over 6' snow banks. (yes I know, I did it to myself)
There is a lot of finger pointing from both sides to take care of the snow. The DPW folks have been working straight out to stay ahead of the storm, they're exhausted and doing their best. I don't envy them their jobs.
The homeowners and renters who shovel sidewalks because they're supposed to have worked hard, too. When a cleared sidewalk is shoved aside and destroyed because we need to have the streets clear, understandably frustration abounds.
When we have snow amounts as we did Tuesday, priorities need to be decided upon: streets or sidewalks. There aren't many places to put it. Choose one, do it well.
And have patience for at least 3 or 4 days.
The hard part is when sidewalks are done haphazardly depending upon address. I'm looking at you United Baptist Church in JP. You don't get to clear the Forbes side of your property around to the front door and ignore the Bolster and remainder of your Centre St property. Yes, it sucks - I know you all have your own homes and probably vehicles to clear, but you also have a responsibility at this address as well. Rent to Own is a past offender as well, but I didn't check them yet.
Absolutely
By FlyingToaster
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:13pm
HerrDoktorToaster just went out to deal with another stretch of "plowed onto the sidewalk". I did about 20 feet today, he'll try and do another 20 tonight. The piles are 30-36 inches high, and all the way across the sidewalk. Most of my neighbors who aren't on the corner have finished, and we hope to tonight.
bad advice again?
By Nancy L
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:32pm
Six of my neighbors and I helped each other get our stairs, walks and parking spots shoveled out Tuesday, from noon to six. Nobody worked Tuesday. The kids had Wednesday off too in case there was more work to be done. I think Marty Walsh is getting bad advice again.
Not every neighborhood...
By FlyingToaster
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:41pm
... is dense enough or has sane neighbors.
I don't live in Dot, but I do remember the communal shoveling in Somerville (which I did for 15 years). Watertown isn't as dense, and the plow put up a 3'+ wall along my corner -- I used my 7-year-old to measure it. We waited for the plows to finish, and then cleared the driveway cap, the front walk (for the postman who didn't actually make it down to my house), and then after dinner tonight the side and the corner. Across the street, they got done with their corner sidewalk about 15 minutes before we did -- theirs was closer to 4'.
One neighbor will help out gladly, the other is willing, but has no bandwidth to deal with anything but their own walk and (insanely steep) stairs.
I think Marty had himself driven around and saw the plowed-in corners.
Nothing New
By Colin.
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:35pm
Yeah, sidewalks often end up being the dumping grounds for snow in the streets. Walking around the Financial District, Fort Point, Government Center and up towards MGH wasn't too bad yet actually. They haven't plowed most streets fully yet, so the sidewalks are pretty clear. That'll change and the sidewalks will become single file as they push the snow off the roads. Just part of Boston's friendliness towards pedestrians.
Not sure where you are coming from
By gschoch
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:36pm
I don't know of a huge number of BPS students who live in Government Center. The sidewalks here in dorchester aren't safe for kids.
Just reporting
By Colin.
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:13pm
I wasn't really coming in for or against Walsh here (I don't have kids and couldn't care less about school being open or closed), just reporting on what I saw out there and talking about how bad the sidewalks usually are.
Car drivers don't care about
By Kinopio
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 12:03pm
Car drivers don't care about pedestrians. The snow they push onto sidewalks is a perfect example of this. They don't care because other people pay for the roads they use to be cleared.
Any better Friday?
By MadMax
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:59pm
Ya, I'm not understanding this logic from the Mayor's office. I seriously doubt the situation is going to be ANY different 24 hours from now.
Great question!
By Biggie_Robs
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:14pm
Another, related question: "What does "working with residents and businesses to clear sidewalks" even mean?
I think it means
By Anonymous
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 11:15pm
I think it means waiting for businesses and residents to clear the snow from sidewalks and crosswalks put there by plows that get paid by the city.
More specifically
By anon
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 9:52am
it means - waiting for PRIVATE businesses and PRIVATE residents to clear snow from PUBLIC sidewalks and crosswalks. In other words, forced labor.
Snow still isn't cleared at many schools
By Reggae Ambassador
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 1:59am
Smaller schools have one or two custodians to clear the parking lots and all stairs and walkways. They'll get help when it's available but this is a storm of historic proportions.
Imagine the liability if the mayor opened schools knowing there was still much snow and ice on walkways. Ain't going to happen in today's litigious society. Not when the alternative is a makeup day in ice-free June.
Poor kids
By Will LaTulippe
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:01pm
They go to awful schools, then they sit in them halfway through June.
What is this halfway you
By elizabeth a
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:20pm
What is this halfway you speak of? The anticipated last day of school is, June 26.
Halfway?
By DotMom
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:50pm
Boston Public Schools will be in session until June 25, assuming no more snow days after tomorrow.
Please
By anon
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 8:04am
As someone who grew up out of state, the amount of breaks BPS and Boston area kids get is ridiculous. Columbus Day? Veteran's Day? I was always in school. February vacation doesn't even exist outside of New England (most schools have Spring break in March-April).
If they don't want to go so late in the year, maybe they should go to more school in the fall/winter.
February break should
By Irmo
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 2:43pm
February break should definitely go. Boston school kids are not wealthy. Few if any of them are going to go skiiing.
You're wrong.
By bounce
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 9:38pm
I attend a BPS school, and I know quite a few people here who go skiing. Stop talking about what you don't know anything about. Furthermore, have you considered that there are reasons to have a vacation other than skiing, such as rest, time to get community service hours, and time to study for the SATs?
February break
By mbm
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 10:39pm
Feb break started as a reaction to the energy crisis, way back in the late'70s. Students go to school a prescribed number of days (180 in my district), so they are not getting any real time off with those holidays & breaks. Closing in Feb saves the school departments thousands of dollars by not having to heat the schools during that week. It's not as if they have to pay for air conditioning when the school year gets extended.
Yeah, no problem with....
By Michael Kerpan
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 9:47am
... kids stuck in sweltering hot, unairconditioned classrooms at the end of June.
Japanese Kids Way Tougher
By Stevil
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 4:50pm
None of the schools I visited (roughly 200) had central heat. Classroom mostly heated with 40 kids to a classroom. On the worst of the worst days they had a space heater. (where I lived climate was similar to Maryland/Virginia - but some schools were in the mountains and this was pretty standard throughout most of the country.
Air conditioning? What's that.
Oh - and no janitors - the kids cleaned the school.
Their system is far from perfect - but on the Three R's they kick our butt up down and sideways. I think school was closer to 220 days a year.
Add the Teacher's Union to the
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:28pm
list of people that tell Mahty what to do. God forbid a kid create an avalanche waiting for the bus.
what did the teachers union advise or are you making things up?
By Nancy L
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:34pm
what did the teachers union advise or are you making things up?
or get hit by a car
By cmbeat
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:47pm
while walking in the street because they can't walk on the sidewalk
Mumbles made things happen
By DrCheswick
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 7:38pm
Remember a few years ago, Mumbles had the snow melters and front loaders cleaning Downtown Crossing out? Dry pavement he had that down to.
It isn't so much the plowing, its removing the snow. Since they cannot dump it in the harbor and now they can't dump it in any of the parking lots in the Seaport District, they need to come up with a new strategy.
Snow Farms
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:46pm
As they keep building in the area, the snow storage situation will only get worse.
They also got busted when their contractors started trucking it to other communities - not that it was a bad idea, but some of the land owners did not have permits to store the snow and were located too near to environmentally sensitive areas.
Bring it to Conley and use
By kvn
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:42pm
Bring it to Conley and use the melter....
EPA just putting more costs elsewhere
By Markk02474
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 1:17am
The federal government is great at making regulations that make life more expensive for business and municipalities with no means to ease their suffering.
Not being able to dump snow in the ocean is just another example. Thanks EPA.
EPA saves the day
By Gary C
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 9:02am
Thanks to the EPA cars and trucks and factories don't spew thick clouds of exhaust. Take a look at China or India where they have no EPA and the air and water are foul. Thank you EPA for making the US a much cleaner and safer place to live.
The EPA has gone unreasonable
By Markk02474
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 10:09am
by calling CO2 "pollution" as one example. There has to be some practical limit to how much to regulate everything and the EPA is losing sight of that. There is a vast difference between little regulation in China where highly polluting vehicles like their scooters are simply banned from the worst cities, rather than making these vehicles cleaner, more expensive, and less fuel efficient as done here, and here where the EPA is calling the exhaust products of humans and other mammals pollution. Its as silly as when Regan used the example of trees polluting to make the same point.
Please read the Clean Air Act and Amendments of 1990
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 10:21am
Then try again.
You have absolutely zero understanding of the highly vetted scientific progress the EPA goes through in promulgating regulation. ZERO. You know absolutely nothing of the mandates of the CAA, either.
Go learn something - it is all available for you on line, completely transparent - before you continue this nonsense.
The salt, sand, grime, and
By anon
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 10:19am
The salt, sand, grime, and petrochemicals in the snow can't be dumped into the ocean for good reason. Every storm water system has catch basins to retain all that toxic muck to keep it out of rivers, streams, and ocean for good reason.
Not a big fan of breathing
By Kinopio
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 12:06pm
Not a big fan of breathing clean air or drinking clean water, Mark?
Have you seen China?
By Charlie
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 2:46pm
Yeah the EPA is such BS. We should just let private industry self-regulate. Oh wait...
http://time.com/3677893/china-pollution-film-jia-z...
Actually ...
By adamg
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 9:51pm
The city currently has two snow farms. One's on Tide Street on the waterfront (hmm, I should drive down there; must be something to see) and the other is, um, Franklin Park, which isn't where I'd want salt-laden snow to go, but, hey, I'm not a DPW director or park commissioner, so what do I know?
Sort of
By ElizaLeila
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 9:52am
I liked Mayor Menino as much as the next person, but he doesn't need to be on a pedestal.
Don't forget the snafu between DCR and the City when a student (or were there more? was killed walking in the streets along VFW Parkway because the sidewalks weren't cleared? Whether that was to have been the City's or DCR's job, assumptions were made and communication didn't happen.
Sure he made it nice for Downtown Crossing and the Seaport, but the City, for how small it is, is still pretty vast.
Boston needs to start take responsibilty for clearing sidewalks
By anon
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:17pm
Maybe the Mayor should take this as a moment to admit Boston needs to do a much better job clearing sidewalks. Not just leave it up to the residents and businesses (with little if any enforcement) but to have the city clear them as they do for streets. Cambridge DPW was out with snow blowers clearing sidewalks all day yesterday and school is open tomorrow. Clearly, Walsh needs to admit the current system of the city clearing streets but not sidewalks isn't working.
Why do our taxes go to
By anon
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:42pm
Why do our taxes go to clearing only part of the Right Of Way for cars and do NOTHING for pedestrians?
Demanding people shovel PUBLIC PROPERTY (sidewalks are part of the public Right Of Way) boils down to another layer of taxation. People are forced into manual labor or fined for something which they already paid for the city to take care of with taxes.
Please
By Stevil
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 8:56pm
75% of our taxes go to fixed costs, public safety and schools. EVERYTHING else gets done with 25% of the money and there isn't enough to go around to shovel the sidewalk. We don't and never have had enough money to shovel the sidewalks. It's not that big a deal - get off your video gaming couch and shovel - or hire someone. The deal is if you own a property you are responsible for the sidewalk. Don't like it - don't buy property. Simple as that.
THE SIDEWALK IS OWNED BY THE
By anon
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:32pm
THE SIDEWALK IS OWNED BY THE CITY!
It is public property just like the rest of the street. Why is it that the street gets plowed with our tax dollars for the benefit of wealthy car owners but the rest of us poor people that walk are expected to shovel the sidewalks we use to walk to work?
WRONG, as usual
By FlyingToaster
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:43pm
The sidewalk is owned by you; the public (in the name of the city) has an easement for its use.
I'm not sure that's accurate,
By Riggs not logged in
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 11:00pm
I'm not sure that's accurate, maybe you could cite your source of information. My experience has been quite different.
The City / State / <Govt. Agency> Definitely Owns The Crosswalks
By Elmer
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 11:47pm
If property owners have no rights to
By roadman
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 11:53am
restrict use of the sidewalks by the public, then they do not OWN the sidewalks - archane and outdated "easement" laws notwithstanding.
It's time property owners take this issue to the SJC for a proper ruling - that is, turning back ownership of PUBLIC property to the government.
Poor people?
By MatthewC
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:45pm
Seriously, shut up and get out there and shovel. Quit begging to the nanny state. You're not "poor". Just a lazy whiner.
Hey everybody!
By Scratchie
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 11:12am
We found out where to truck the snow that won't fit in Southie anymore! Just dump it on the sidewalks in Matthew C's neighborhood! He'll gladly shovel it because he's not a lazy whiner.
Stopping complaining...
By MatthewC
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 5:08pm
It's getting really old and no one wants to hear it. Seriously. Literally no one wants to listen to you complain anymore. You should find somewhere else to hang out.
Now go shovel.
missing the point
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 11:04am
Property owner should shovel their sidewalks. Its fair enough, at least. I mean we all know that its an owners responsibility. But when the city hard packs 9 foot piles of icy dense snow onto the sidewalk that's unfair. Especially since the city has been threatening people that push
snow into the street.
What is the city supposed to do?
By MatthewC
Sat, 01/31/2015 - 9:55am
You, as a citizen, can adapt and overcome. It'll take a hard work and will probably be frustrating, but people pouting and throwing tantrums achieves nothing.
Because that's the deal
By Stevil
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:49pm
I don't know where it came from - but that's part of the deal you make when you buy the property. don't like it - rent.
Either way I have to pay - they can raise my taxes and pay somebody a boatload of money to shovel it or I can employ the free market to get it done much cheaper, more reliably and more efficiently.
And I share about 40 feet of smooth sidewalk with 6 other homeowners. I'll pay for that - my share for having someone do that yesterday is probably less than $40.* I don't want to subsidize some house with 1 owner and 120 feet of broken sidewalk in some far flung corner of the city to have a public employee shovel their sidewalk. do you work for the DPW or something?
*actually it was this morning - our service provider got kicked out of the city yesterday because of the travel restrictions. If I had relied on the city to do that - I'd bet my sidewalk wouldn't get shoveled until next week - and that guy with 120 feet in the corner of the city wouldn't see someone until next month.
Simple economics
By Bob Leponge
Fri, 01/30/2015 - 12:05pm
There are really only two ways to get the sidewalk in front of your property cleared.
In either case, you are paying to get it done. Which way is a more efficient use of your money?
So pedestrians have to shovel
By Kinopio
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 12:09pm
So pedestrians have to shovel and walk through two feet of snow, but car drivers flip out if every snowflake isn't cleared for them by plows paid for in part by pedestrians who don't even use the streets? It isn't as simple as you claim.
why did the pedestrian cross the road...
By tenfortyseven
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 3:21pm
Pedestrians may not be driving a car on the street, but they do indeed use them, by way of the school bus that takes your children to school, the truck that delivers your mail, the police that come to your house when your macbook pro is stolen, the firetrucks...you get the picture?
unrealistic
By cybah
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:00pm
Unfortunately, it's just unrealistic to think that your town has the money or the man power to clear sidewalks everywhere. Unless you want your taxes to go up significantly. I think most people (with some exceptions like the elderly and disabled) can handle dealing with the snow removal on the sidewalk outside of your home in lieu of having taxes go up again.
Yes it stinks to shovel. Yes the fine stinks, but without it, there would be no incentive TO shovel. This way if we all do it, we all do a little piece and it gets done.
I don't mind doing the shoveling, I just wish the cities would offer more help in snow removal. First by helping to remove some of the large piles from people's shovel outs, then having alternative side a parking ban on streets so they can be plowed totally out (and the snow hauled away).
Edit: Also, you want to shovel anyways because if the Avon lady slips out front of your home, you're liable for alot more than a case of Skin-So-Soft.
Boston can use ATVs or
By anon
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:33pm
Boston can use ATVs or Bobcats like other cities do. It's not a question of labor but a will to do so.
did you miss
By cybah
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:45pm
did you miss my whole point about money? :) I didn't say it couldn't be done, its whether its the fiscally responsible thing to do.
What other cities? How many
By lbb
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 10:10pm
What other cities? How many miles of sidewalk are they clearing?
I can see a small town or a suburb doing this, because they just don't have that much sidewalk. I just can't imagine Boston owning a fleet of bobcats big enough to clear all the sidewalks before spring thaw takes care of the problem.
Oh no! Manual labor?!
By MatthewC
Wed, 01/28/2015 - 9:33pm
That's just for poors and deadbeats! The horror!
cars
By ag
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 8:19am
Car accidents are a higher public safety concern than slipping and falling on the sidewalk. Emegency services need clear streets. Prettt straightforward logic.
I would say education is more
By Kinopio
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 12:12pm
I would say education is more important than bad drivers ramming into each other. If you drive in a snow storm you are getting what you asked for. Joe SUV doesn't care that schools are shut down as long as the road to Wal Mart is clear. Our priorities are messed up.
Please no.
By Gary C
Thu, 01/29/2015 - 9:07am
I don't want to pay Brookline-level taxes to pay for the city to plow my sidewalk. As others stated, it's all part of the responsibility of owning property. I can't even imagine what it would cost for the city of Boston to plow every sidewalk....millions! Forget that.
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