UPDATE: Service canceled for Tuesday as well.
The T is cancelling all subway and commuter rail at 7 p.m. Some bus lines will still run, but, sorry, people who used the T to get into town today - after 7, you're on your own.
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Oh come on, really? Is it
By J
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:30pm
Oh come on, really? Is it that hard?
Drive into Kenmore. Unload.
Driver switches sides (takes 30 seconds)
Drives on magic loop to inbound side.
Driver switches sides (takes 30 seconds)
Boards train.
Zero risk of collision because no trains are coming inbound.
Unless I'm mistaken,
By roadman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:38pm
the exit switch on the westbound side of the loop is actually a "spring" switch. So it would be nearly impossible to run a train in the reverse direction up into the loop.
If thats the case, never mind
By J
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:45pm
If thats the case, never mind then.
It is not a spring switch, it
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:38pm
It is not a spring switch, it can be thrown by hand. Cars can change ends and go around the loop from westbound to eastbound. The signals aren't set up for that move, but as noted, if there aren't any other cars running, it would not be difficult to run a "manual block".
Kenmore loop
By Nicole
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:09pm
Kenmore loop was designed to turn C trains back around, if the B line was converted to subway service. So it faces in the outbound direction; a train coming from St. Mary's or Fenway can stop at Kenmore and then use the loop to head back out on the branches.
You have a plan, and get creative
By Ari O
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:16pm
You have a plan, and get creative. The T has no plan, and refuses to change operations besides shutting down portions of the line.
Before I get started on a rant: 5 feet of snow in two weeks is completely unprecedented. The previous 60-inches-in-a-month came over the course of a month, not two weeks, with some melting in between (it was 55˚ between the January and February blizzards in 1978—it hasn't been 40 this year since January 19). At this rate, we'll be at 10 feet in a month.
But one of the failures of the T is that it has no snow plan, other than a few bus routes. The DC Metro—no bastion of good management—does run some service in the snow: underground service. When they suspend rail service during a storm, they suspend above ground service, not all service. (They do this after little more than a flurry, but then again, they're DC). The T could, too, if they planned ahead for things like, I don't know, snow. I even wrote about this two years ago. For instance:
Green Line: run from Kenmore to North Station. There are pocket tracks to change ends outbound from North Station which are undercover—they use these every day for the C Line without issue. At Kenmore, you could have inspectors (or operators) get in the cars and take them backwards around the Kenmore Loop to the other side to start the trip inbound. It might take a few minutes, but it would allow service to operate. Yes, yards are above ground, but the T runs trains through even the biggest storms to keep them in service, and on the Green Line there are several routes from a major yard at Reservoir to the tunnel.
Blue Line: run from Airport to Bowdoin. I don't have a track map in front of me, but I would bet that there is a crossover at either Maverick or Airport. Or, since this is such a short distance, run one train set back and forth on one side of the line. You might only have service every 20 minutes, but that's at least more than nothing. Again, the T runs service out to the yards to keep the tracks clear, but without passengers, a stuck train is much less of an issue.
Orange Line: Run from North Station to Mass Ave. Again, I'd have to consult a track map re: crossovers. And again, you could run a back-and-forth service on one track.
Red Line: The Longfellow is an issue; it would be kind of silly to have one segment from Andrew (again, depending on the location of a crossover) to Park and an orphaned segment from Kendall to Alewife. But if you can get the trains across the Longfellow without dying and keep the bridge clear enough, then you can run an 8 mile-long section of line almost entirely underground. Storing the trains is easy: you could keep enough trains to run a 10-minute-headway skeleton service in the underground Alewife Yard. Except for the Longfellow Bridge, these trainsets would spend the entire time underground.
For Commuter Rail, the T could have a special schedule for days like today where each line, at rush hour, runs one train per hour making all stops. Then you send out the best equipment for the conditions, and actually run those trains, versus trying to run a full schedule and then failing miserably.
The problem is that the T doesn't have any such plan. They might make noise that the station entrances wouldn't be clear of snow, but this could be said for many storms, and people can be employed to keep them clear. Everyone would be a lot more forgiving if there was an actual plan that was implemented that focused on keeping service that could be run running rather than the ad hoc "OMG IT SNOWED!!!!1!" that seems to happen each time, uh, it snows. I think a lot of people (but not everyone, read comments here and elsewhere) realizes that things won't go completely as normal when it snows a lot. But the fact that the T seems to have to fly by the seat of its pants each time is unacceptable.
Creative
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:40pm
You mean, "creative", like Romney telling that low-income kid to just borrow $20K from his parents to start a business?
Right.
Creative solutions are for those with resources. The MBTA is at the end of its rope.
There is a cross-over at
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:46pm
There is a cross-over at Andrew and a cross-over at Airport.
Yes there is
By Kaz
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 4:46pm
Your premise is flawed.
In order for trains to run between Kenmore and Symphony, they would have to turn around on the Kenmore side up at the Blandford crossover track...in the snow. At Symphony, I don't know where the next closest crossover is, but I'd guess it's outside somewhere too.
You could run a loop between Government Center and North Station I think...but then you're only shuffling people between North Station and Haymarket since Government Center is closed. An entirely useless loop.
Next crossover with a storage
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 4:54pm
Next crossover with a storage pocket track is immediately after Northeastern University's station. The #39 could pick up/drop off passengers at that end of the line. Assuming the #39 isn't as dead as the rest of the MBTA
Nearest crossover
By roadman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:02pm
to Symphony is at Northeastern, which is above ground. And, like Blanford, it's not a direct crossover. Similar to both Blanford and North Station, trains would have to run into a 'turnback' siding, then run out the other way.
And the inner loop at Government Center is currently unusable, as it is currently blocked by the contractor's equipment for the station rebuild.
There is a cross-over between
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:42pm
There is a cross-over between Symphony and Prudential
Possible, But I'm No Expert
By Suldog
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:07pm
In order to clear things, power to the third rail may need to be cut. If so, I believe that necessitates cutting all power on whatever line you do it. That would explain Red, Orange and Blue, but not necessarily Green.
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The third rail is broken up
By anonymoose
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 10:59pm
The third rail is broken up into sections and can be shut off a section at a time. Generally, large sections are controlled automatically from the central control room, and it might be possible to disconnect more specific sections with manual switches (with the power off for the operation).
Let blame Baker
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 4:21pm
He's been Gov'na for a month, and if that doesn't work. .......,. BUSH!
History
By anon²
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:20pm
What the frak is it?
Not that getting out of that mess was all his fault, but it is ironic that his quick fix to the Big Dig problem is now right back in his face with the MBTA. When you shift things like that, you're supposed to be far away when the bills comes due.
Baker is far away, he doesn't
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:41pm
Baker is far away, he doesn't take the T! Real men like Charles and Scott Brown drive!
The irony is thick here, Charlie.
By MC Slim JB
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:46pm
As anon^2 notes, Baker's financing decisions on the Big Dig when he was Secretary of Admin and Finance are directly responsible for the underfunding of the T to the tune of $1B a year since. His current proposed budget cuts another $40M.
It's egregiously hypocritical of him to act incensed at the T's performance now.
karma
By massprince
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 8:50pm
its a bitch when it hits you back
While I think Deleo and
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:24pm
While I think Deleo and Murray are the most at fault for declining again and again to properly fund the T for the future, Bakers Billions of dollars of Big Dig debt he pushed onto the T to hide it to help his boss Weld get re-elected are a HUGE source of the MBTAs problems.
And now...
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:46pm
And now their website seems like its about to join their rail service in the great beyond. Seems to be taking several minutes to load fully.
mbta.com down
By Stranded... maybe?
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:50pm
Looks like their web server died too. Can't reach mbta.com to check anything. I wonder if their admin uses the T to get to work.
All day Tuesday!?!?!
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 5:53pm
Does he think everyone can just work from home?
You have a better idea?
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 6:58pm
Please share it - but it has to be workable given current equipment and conditions.
NO COMMENT?
By lodger
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 6:02pm
Beverly Scott's explanation is an official 'No Comment'?
I thought the 7pm closing would ensure they could fix things for the morning commute when the storm would be over. But to shut down the whole city area without an explanation? I live on the C line and the trains seem to work ok. Why not keep some routes open?
She at least owes us all an explanation. I can't imagine this happening in NYC or Philadelphia.
I can't imagine
By Waquiot
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 8:48pm
NYC or Philly dealing with 6 feet of snow in 3 weeks, with barely any temps above freezing in the process. We are living in hell, but NYC got paralyzed after less snow a few years back.
If the T announced yesterday that they would shut for today, people would be up in arms. In hindsight... Romney and Patrick should have dealt with the system's deficiencies, but we still would be up shit's creek with this snow.
I think you misunderstood my
By lodger
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:24pm
I think you misunderstood my point: I meant that NYC/Philly wouldn't close everything without an explanation.
I don't doubt that this snow situation has brought up unprecedented challenges. Or that Baker's decades-earlier efforts to cut funding are related MBTA's current shortcomings.
What I object to is the lack of explanation. We know the third rail can ice over. We know there are signal issues, we've been hearing about that forever.
But when you close down an entire public transport system, especially in the midst of a storm that makes it impossible to drive, the public is owed an explanation.
The explanation is
By Waquiot
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:53pm
Everything fell apart and they need a day to reset.
Of course, I might just be reading into things.
Someday, when things calm down, hopefully MassDOT will explain everything. I just don't know if we will ever see that day.
Subtle clues to seriousness of situation
By anon
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 11:03am
I noticed that for several days' worth of announcements now, one is that the CharlieCard store at DTX is closed. Reading between the lines I was wondering if this is because they're pulling every able-bodied T worker into snow-clearing or repair/maintenance duties; that they don't have the personnel to man the store. Can anyone confirm?
"I meant that NYC/Philly
By J
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 12:33am
"I meant that NYC/Philly wouldn't close everything without an explanation."
Lol.
Two weeks ago Cuomo announced that the MTA was closing at 11pm and not opening the next day. Hours after the MTA officials held a press conference announcing how they were going to manage service.
Turns out, Cuomo called the MTA 15 minutes before and told them about his brilliant plan to shut everything down.
Nyc has several tracks
By anon
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 6:07am
Nyc has several tracks running along some lines that they use for express cars and maintenance so if a train does break down they can shift the other trains to those tracks. Boston does not. Dont know anything about philly.
You really need more explanation?
By anon
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 11:00am
The system is in such a state of disrepair that a mere 22 hours isn't going to be enough to clear all the snow and ice, and assess and then repair all the equipment that broke by being operated on Monday? That it's so beyond broken at this point they need (at least) another entire day to get things back up to speed?
I thought the performance of the system over the last two weeks demonstrated this quite proficiently.
prioritiies
By massprince
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 6:11pm
olympics vs new trains and efficient snow removal system?
This will jam up the still-running bus lines
By Ron Newman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:24pm
I don't understand the decision to run all scheduled bus service, instead of cutting some of that back and diverting some of it to bustitution shuttles.
Any bus line that even vaguely parallels a subway line will get jammed beyond capacity. I'm thinking of 1, 39, 43, 55, 57, 77, 83, 92, 93, 96, and all of the Silver Lines.
Thank you!
By cybah
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:43pm
Yes I was just thinking about this also! They really shouldn't try to run the buses because of this.
And then of course any bus that starts/ends at a rail connection and serves as a spoke route (i.e. 134, 101, 116, 112, 97, 99, etc) are just going to be pointless except for local trips on the same bus (or a bus to bus connection)
And yeah, the Gov would like us to stay home but we all know the roads are going to be jammed, especially without train service. So it'll delay the buses even more.
I fear for anyone riding the 111 tomorrow (or any bus for that matter), because it will now serve as the sole link from Chelsea into town. It'll be the 9th circle of hell all day long, as the 111 is already a packed bus. And you know people will switch from the 116/117 to it in Chelsea Center (as they do when the BL is hosed). Oy. Glad I can WfH tomorrow.
At least what little bus
By octr202
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:01pm
At least what little bus service runs will be stuck in gridlocked traffic.
Assuming there are even enough rested drivers left to cover service with all the rail replacement shuttles running.
What rail replacement shuttle buses?
By Ron Newman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:11pm
As far as I can tell, the T doesn't plan to run any -- just regularly scheduled bus lines.
The ones they've been running
By octr202
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:13pm
The ones they've been running for the last several days. There's only so many drivers to go around.
The same thing's likely been hampering commuter rail - just there the crews are on even tighter limits by the Feds on their hours of service. When trips that are scheduled for two hours turn into 3-5 hour adventures, they run out of time to do their next assignments without getting rested.
Can the T get a waiver on those regulations
By Ron Newman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:14pm
given the current state of emergency?
Doubtful. I don't know a
By octr202
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:25pm
Doubtful. I don't know a whole lot, but usually those require immediate life-safety issues (i.e., I recall the NYC commuter railroads were excused from hours of service rules on 9/11 when evacuating the city). This isn't on that level.
seriously?
By Lyndsay
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 3:11am
The T drivers and workers are human beings, not robots that can be dragged out to work on an endless loop because you need to get to work. They need rest and a day off like the rest of us. Plus, how are THEY getting in to work I would like to know. The lack of commuting options affects them too.
No bus replacement
By cybah
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:19pm
I agree with roadman, there's no subway bus replacement service.
Even on the T's winter page there's a message stating:
What this is saying (and gosh they could have worded this better) is that there's no replacement service so if you take a bus that ends at a station (and expect replacement bus service), you're screwed.
Overloaded busses
By AllstonHipster
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 10:12pm
The 66 was over capacity all last week, and I have to chalk that up in part to the problems with the red line. Many people were taking the bus rather than the green and red lines....
Reimbursement
By anon
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 7:40pm
You cannot run your equipment because this winter is worse than usual? OK, that's astoundingly inconvenient, but fine. I get it. That being said,
I think the T should reimburse every single rider who purchased a monthly pass 1/30 (or 1/28 to be more specific) of the value of that pass for every day they told riders not to actually use the T or it was just totally shut down.
Working from home (for some people) is all fine and good, but a ton of commuters ALREADY PAID for their commute.
I mean, if you bought tickets for anything else and they cancelled it, you would expect a refund, right?
One caveat
By anon
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 11:12am
Whereas I agree with this, I would suggest they merely make the offer available and require people to pro-actively come in and claim it. (Not that someone has to prove they would have used the T on a shut down day, just that a monthly pass-holder has to go on the website and click a button or something.)
The T is already losing enough money from the lost single-ride fares over these shut down days, and however many millions they're dumping into maintenance and snow-clearing, without making them give refunds to people who might not even care to claim them.
Roads ARE superior to rail!
By Markk02474
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 8:10pm
Yes, folks, the MBTA has given up on rail, yet buses on roadways steam along!
Hubway was shut down, but nobody seems to be complaining about that!
I get how iced over 3rd rails cripple subway cars, but that should not impact diesel-electric locomotives!
Oh, in Europe and elsewhere, overhead catenary wires are used to power electric trains and trams. No third rail problems and reduced dangers to people who might touch them..
bikes
By Ron Newman
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 8:14pm
[quote]Hubway was shut down, but nobody seems to be complaining about that![/quote]
However, I saw quite a few bicycles out this evening. The major roads around me (Mass Ave, Elm Street) seem pretty well plowed.
Yeah
By BostonDog
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 10:33pm
Bikes end up being the best way around. The T is shot to hell. Cars get stuck in the snow and are too big to get by poorly parked cars on roads that are 1/3 their original size.
But if you're on a bike you can always just lift it over a snow bank or walk it through an unplowed street. They can go around poorly parked cars and crippling traffic.
It's a cold ride and harder to pedal but, as normal, it's the fastest most reliable way around even with the snow.
Charlie Baker got schooled !!
By debp
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 9:56pm
Charlie Baker is on tv complaining about MBTA service due to the weather. Then, Poof!! MBTA announces it's shutting down in 3 hours, and will be closed tomorrow. Then Charlie is back on tv answering a million questions about why? why? why? did they close, did Baker know it was happening...blah, blah, blah. Mr. Charlie Baker just learned an important lesson today...don't piss the people off that can leave you holding the bag.
And a few T Employees will learn an even more important lesson
By Stevil
Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:39pm
Don't piss of the guy with the bigger bag.
so what?
By Lyndsay
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 2:55am
All he did was turn around and blame the T so he wasn't holding anything. He'll definitely fire Bev Scott (even though it's not her fault, but she's pissed him off with statements clearly in opposition to him), maybe the head of the MTA, and that'll be his "solution" to the problem, AC motors aren't going to materialize overnight here, nor will the trains from China - those aren't scheduled to arrive for four more years!
It's odd how Beverly Scott
By john smith
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 6:43am
It's odd how Beverly Scott has gotten little criticism and blame for the failures at the T, but when Dan Grabauskas and Richard Davies and others were General Managers, they were often blamed when anything went wrong at the T.
Grabauskas was apparently
By anon
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 11:16am
Grabauskas was apparently targeted for political reasons. I don't think Scott has been selected (yet?) for the same kind of scapegoating.
whats the pool at?
By Lyndsay
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 2:50am
So anyone want to start a pool on how many days Bev Scott has left on her job?
I'm going to say she's out by Friday.
So, any updates?
By lbb
Tue, 02/10/2015 - 9:10am
Anyone seen any snow-clearing, train-repairing or other activities? I'm curious about what they're doing. There's a plan, right? Any guesses as to whether we'll have service tomorrow?
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