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Spring continues to slowly wheel in: Hubway returns to South Station
By adamg on Tue, 03/31/2015 - 9:52am
Claire Blechman watched workers reinstall the Hubway station outside South Station this morning.
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I've wanted to know
and I know it'll stirr the pot.
but does anyone know if Hubway rents the spaces it puts its bikes? I'm sure hubway has permission but whether they are paying for usage (and lost of parking spots).
I just ask because if we interchange "hubway rack" for "space saver" people on here are all up in arms about public spots being taken for private use, yet say little about Hubway. Same argument could be used about hubway not paying a dime.
Not trying to stir the pot so to speak, but curious to know if they do pay the city or how that works at all.
Owned by Boston
The Hubway bikes and stations are city property. Boston contracts out the management of the system but they still own the physical equipment.
I think I knew that
I know Cambridge or somerville owns the racks and bikes also
OK issue solved! It's owned by the city!
I own a bike
So I would never use Hubway and I own a car so I need the parking meters. WHY doesn't Hubway put their racks in locations that aren't parking meters? I never understood that. They could fit on the sidewalk, in the park or anywhere that doesn't take away legal parking spots (and revenue) .
I own many bikes
And yet I still use hubway sometimes. (And the T and Cars.) 1-2 parking spots to go to hundreds of people benefiting per day instead of just a few? Sure seems like a good use of limited space to me.
The problem with putting them on the sidewalk is that you encourage people to ride on the sidewalk, hubway users need to lift the bike over to curb and/or around parked cars and many sidewalks are too narrow. The city does put many of the racks on sidewalks, such as North/South stations. But when there is limited sidewalk space the street makes a lot more sense.
The better question is why is a large chunk [6' x 8'] of city property only going to a few users per day at $1.25/hour (daytime, free at night) when it can be used by so many more people as a hubway spot or parklette. Or alternatively why isn't the city charging market rates for these spots for drivers.
So how much parking revenue from All those parked bikes?
compared to cars at "only" "$1.25/hour" in Boston, Cambridge, Somerville, and Brookline where Hubway stations displace metered parking?
Oh, and nice picture. Are those diesel flatbed trailer-trucks and not a team of bicycles bringing in those stations, or, at worst, city friendly vans? :-)
[edit] Regardless of the lost space and revenue, any signs of spring are happy.
You know what is truly amazing?
There are these things called "search engines". They have names like "google", "bing", and "yahoo" and the like.
They can be used to find out information that is readily available within the public domain! All you have to do is use a few key words and you can find out a lot of information! You can do this on your own, without demanding that other people provide information for you or accept your baseless assertions.
You should try them sometime - they even work on non-porn websites.
I'll save you the trouble
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question
We all know that Hubway is a net loss compared to using the space for paid parking spaces, and the service really only takes away from MBTA revenues, not private car use.
We do?
CITATIONS PLEASE!
You do realize the irony of
You do realize the irony of this comment in combination with the one before it, right?
Bike aren't free
Are you aware that people pay money to use the bikes? Part of that money goes to the city. That money is worth more then a few parking spots over the course of the year.
In regards to the MBTA they reduce crowding on the trains. Please find me a MBTA user (cyclist or not) who is opposed to something which reduces the number of people they need to squeeze in with. And hubway bikes don't slow down busses the way additional auto traffic will.
Ground control to Major Tom...
The dent, if any, riding a Hubway bike, puts into MBTA ridership (i.e. packed cars) is negligible at best.
And why yes, I do have a Hubway membership and ride from time to time.
Hubway Goes where the T Fails
The most popular rides and biggest aggregate time savings are the South to North Station area and North Station to Seaport.
Most of these folks already have MBTA passes and are just solving that "last mile" problem to get to work in 10 minutes rather than 20 or 30 with multiple connections, so no "loss" to the MBTA.
Another huge time saver route: Dudley to Aggainis Arena and BU areas. Again, a terminal station is involved, meaning T passes or T fares already paid.
http://hubway.virot.me/
Many parking spots all over
Many parking spots all over the city have no meters, free parking for anyone, are you outraged by that? And of course, they are reserved for cars and trucks, I cant store anything else there. Does that make your blood boil? Do you know how much people pay to get a sticker for parking in resident spots? Get ready, your going to get angry...nothing.
The Hubway revenue to the
The Hubway revenue to the city is worth more than the meter revenue. Meter revenue is waaaaaaaaaaay below market rate compared to what Hubway pays out from profit sharing.
Many are NOT on the street
I'd would estimate that about 65% of the Hubway stations are in auto parking spaces and the rest up on the sidewalk. (Note that the huge ones at North and South station are on the sidewalk.) If your point is that more of them should be on the sidewalk when possible, then I completely agree. With that said, if the street is the only option, then eating up one or two auto spots to fit Hubway is a fair trade-off.
They're off-street when possible
Each station goes through a long vetting process by the city and other stakeholders before being placed, and they're sometimes relocated after the fact. When possible, both Hubway and the city usually prefer to locate stations off-street. Hubway prefers off-street because it makes snow removal easier and prevents drivers from accidentally bumping it, and the city certainly prefers keeping more parking spaces available.
But they also have to be careful not to make sidewalks too narrow, and they want to locate Hubway near activity centers where it's convenient to get to and use. It's like a bus stop - the station has to be where people want to go.
Interestingly, Cambridge managed to place every single Hubway station (except one) off-street, and that's a big part of why it's practical for them to keep the system open through the winter. That's a testament to how many plazas and wide sidewalks Cambridge has.
Why have parks at all? Just
Why have parks at all? Just pave over the Common and turn it into a parking lot and let the money roll in. And then fill in the Charles river and add more lanes to Memorial Drive. We can't stop until every square inch is for drivers use only.
Does anyone know if trees
Does anyone know if trees rent the sidewalk space? Or those big belly trashcans? Or benches? Thats valuable real estate.
What an idiotic question.
Um
No it's not.
Hubway is a private business. Last time I checked, trees, trashcans or benches were not a a private business, and were owned by the city. See the difference?
Your comment is a idiotic one because it just doesn't make any sense except for a jab at me.
Not quite
It's a private/public partnership
Yes adam
But Hubway's parent is a private business first, then they went into partnership with cities to host the bike and bike racks.
But yes public/private partnership in the end.
Edit: edit my reply after doing a quick check. No, hubway isn't a private business, it's just a brand name of the partnership for this area. The parent company, Motivate, is a private business that helps cities provide bike sharing services. In the end, it's still a business.
Not jabbing at all but
I think the better compassion might be those free newspaper boxes, though obviously the profit sharing element w Hubway explains a lot. The free paper boxes became so cluttered and unsightly and provided no public benefit at all.
this I agree with
This I agree with. No jab taken.
You do have to 'register' those boxes with the city otherwise they will take them away as trash.
So you think the comparing
So you think the comparing hubway to something you describe as providing no public benefit at all is the better comparison?
Comparing a public/private bike sharing service
with city-provided street furnishings like trashcans and street trees seemed inaccurate to me. I consider Hubway a huge public benefit and a good example of private/public partnership as well as a perfectly fine way of using public street and sidewalk space. Feel free to offer another analogy.
Hubway is not a private
Hubway is not a private business, the company that Boston contracts to run Hubway is private but Hubway docks and bikes are owned by the city.
Hubways is owned by the cities
"Hubway is owned by the governments of the Cities of Boston, Cambridge, and Somerville, and by the Town of Brookline." --http://www.thehubway.com/mediakit
Hubway is contracted out to a
Hubway is contracted out to a private business to operate. Big Belly are also a private company that the city buys from.
You appear to not understand how the most basic of government business operates.
lol
Mostly you, and a handful of other non-drivers or non-residents who have an opinion on everything. You don't hear as much out of the people who are actually saving spots for their car in Boston.
Tourists love hubway -- great
Tourists love hubway -- great news that it'll be available again with the snow melt. Local businesses could definitely use the the money!
Hubway's media kit is public
Hi. You can find a lot of info being discussed via Hubway's online media kit at www.thehubway.com/mediakit. It is typically updated each quarter.
Not updated in 3 quarters it seems
Its 2015 and the last data seems to be from 6/2015.
The Carbon offset is total crap, based on unstated assumptions that are surely false!
Also missing are the more interesting financials of total revenue, expenses, subsidies etc.
recommendation to clear cache
Thanks. I've made sure the requests for additional content have been sent to appropriate reps to take into consideration for future updates. The most recent update of numbers was in January 2015 (not last June - I think you meant 2014). We've heard that the page is getting stuck on previous updates for some folks. It's recommended to clear your cache, and you should be able to access the latest revision, which has #s through the end of 2014.
The formula used for the carbon offset numbers on that page is ~0.67*(mile traveled). This is derived from http://godcgo.com/home/tools-for-getting-around/carbon-calculator.aspx, which assumes that a mid-size car is driving 10-20 mph.
Problem for carbon offset is not all car trips being shifted
You are making a very poor assumption that Hubway rides are all replacing single occupant car trips, rather than other modes like walking, car-pooling, and public transportation too.
Do you have any good data on where your mode shift comes from, percentage-wise?
BTW, the source for the web page indicates how long a cached copy will be valid, so that's completely under your control.