That MBTA report is finally out and basically concludes Charlie Baker and legislative leaders need to take over control of the authority through a new "Fiscal and Management Control Board" to replace the new MassDOT board Deval Patrick and legislative leaders set up to take over control of the authority.
The report calls for an end to restrictions on fare increases - in fact, it criticizes the T for offering pass holders higher discounts than other transit agencies in the US and England and says that's "unsustainable."
The state should look at creating a special property-tax levy in the communities served by the T to fund capital improvements and pay off the T's debt - with a state commitment to pay off Big Dig related debts but no new ones.
Oh, and New Bedford? You might want to rethink those plans that assume you're getting commuter rail anytime soon.
The recommendations also include making the T figure out how to spend the capital money it already has - and just on capital projects, not salaries - and crack the whip on workers, too many of whom the panel concluded are system-abusing layabouts.
The report also calls for a halt to any spending on system expansion that doesn't already have federal funding until that program is actually in place. That means the Green Line Extension, which recently received a commitment of nearly $1 billion in federal funds is OK, but plans for an electrified commuter-rail line to New Bedford should be shelved.
The report estimates a 20-year period for "the complete restoration" of the T's physical assets.
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Okay, that's it, Baker and
By DTP
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:30am
Okay, that's it, Baker and his panel of "experts" must be living in another planet.
I hate to say it
By moxie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:31am
But I think that it's so hopelessly broken that some form of receivership is the only solution. The people who run it, fund it, and work for it are completely incapable of doing their jobs.
The MBTA had very limited control of its destiny...
By b from Ros
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:49pm
Receivership was inevitable. Current state restrictions and laws hamstring the organization. Hopefully, they give it the proper tools to function (which could include human, fiscal, or legislative capital).
If Chuckie
By roadman
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:50pm
and his panel were truly interested in fixing the T, then it stands to reason they would recommend changing (or just flat out eliminating) those restrictions and laws. Instead, they're just looking for an excuse to underfund the system even more.
I do not know his plans in that regard...
By b from Ros
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:06pm
But this report is certainly a clear shot across the bow for fare hikes. This will open doors to increased "user fees" associated with public transportation.
Is it right or wrong? I guess we will find out...
The report specifically
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:14pm
The report specifically recommends exempting the T from some of those laws hamstringing it. Page 20 talks about exempting them from the anti-privatization law ("Pacheco law") and some others; page 12 mentions legislation necessary to allow them to raise fares. And the entirety of page 38 is an exhaustive list of legislation needed to free the T from laws restricting it.
Did you actually read the report, or are you just dismissing it because you don't like the source?
Worst expert panel....
By Michael Kerpan
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:36am
... ever.
And I predict Baker the (allegedly) Business-Savvy will prove to be one of the Commonwealth's worst governors ever.
At least
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:46am
He can address problems, unlike Deval. Everything including DCF was anecdotal.
Raise revenues, and monitor how it allocates available capital. OOOOooo The horror!
Address problems?
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:42pm
No. That isn't ALECs goal here.
Their goal is to destroy public transit and bust the public sector unions. Their fanboy doesn't give a shit about actually addressing the problems - more like exploiting problems.
SHOCKING
By erik g
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:05pm
I for one am shocked--SHOCKED--that running a state government is in no way similar to running a business, and that Charlie is out of his depth.
Deval
By RichM
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:34pm
Will be pretty tough to beat in that category.
Adorable!
By Elmer
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:41am
Confirmed
By moxie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:48am
Buddy of mine works thru a Laborers local, and did a few months third shift track work on the T, funded thru Federal recovery money. He says they averaged three hours of actual work per shift.
While Far From Perfect ...
By Elmer
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:01pm
... the report raises lots of questions that the Ⓣ ought to answer.
There's actually a number of recommendations I agree with, such as:
I question this also
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:21pm
While I agree many bus routes should be modernized, as many still follow the old trolley routes.
But I'd love to see the cost analysis of how much would be saved along with how much $ it would cost to do such a thing.
Ideas are great, but most cost money so we're kinda back to square one.. the T has no money!
They'll hire some consultants to get on that
By Markk02474
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:38pm
after much money is budgeted, its put out to bid, one is selected, they do the work, hold public hearings, return a report, hold more public hearings, people object to changes, and years later, not much changes when money can't be found to implement the route movements.
Nice friend you have there.
By anon
Thu, 04/09/2015 - 3:01pm
Nice friend you have there. Not everyone who works for a union is like that you know.
"As the service day
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:50pm
"As the service day lengthened, the night maintenance shift was reduced to only four hours each night – and fewer hours on weekends. "
I don't think the weekday service hours were ever shorter than they are now. They've been about 5 am to 12:45 am for several decades, probably all the way back until the trains ran all night in the early 60s. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)
"working on the trains" -- no, the issue is working on the tracks. Even if trains are running 24 hours, only a small proportion of the rush hour fleet will be running at night, so any trains that need work can be in the repair shop.
What a load of crap
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:50am
I'm reading some of the stuff coming thru, and it's clear baker and this committee have no clue about public transit or even ride it. And it's also clear that some of these plans are suggested by people who have no idea how public transit really works.. they seem more "business" moves than actual transit policy.
The other thing I am gathering from this report is this.
It's 100% a load of crap that lacks many details in it (and many half truths). It's to make Charlie Baker look good. Why? because not only is he the reason for the Big Dig debt issue, but he ran on a platform of "conservative spending" and "no new taxes". And he certainly doesn't want to "that guy" who had to reneg on their campaign promises (as many do once they realize they pretty much have to).
So do you think a panel that he appointed would come out and say "yeah its xyz reasons and you're the cause, and yes you're going to have to re-neg on your campaign promises"? No, of course they wouldn't say that, so the data is skewed. It's all to make him look good and look like he's doing something AND to keep his campaign promises. Typical Mass politics, never for the people, always for the politicians to keep face.
So look forward to service cuts, 10 dollar fares, and a system that just will be "more of the same"
PS - Love the board appointment thing.. so we can have more of Charlie's non-riding T friends on boards to make decisions they have know virtually nothing about.
On a different note, suggestions on getting a decent used car? I'm going to need one.. fuck this noise.
Ya anything
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:57am
but a Smart Car!
don't you mean
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:54pm
a Smaht Cah?
(and no I wouldn't.. death trap on wheels IMHO)
The British car show
By roadman
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:03pm
Fifth Gear recently did crash testing on Smart Cars. For their small size, they held up suprisingly well in moderate speed impacts.
Still wouldn't dare drive one out on Interstate 95 or 93 though.
ya i know
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:05pm
I saw that too.
Still seems like a death trap to me and not very good in the snow. But people drive them so my rental impression may be wrong.
And yes, that's the other thing, they aren't made for high speeds. The steering wheel starts to vibrate.. (I speak from personal experience.. I rented one once a while ago)
Re: Vibrating steering wheel
By Belmont
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:22pm
I've never driven a SmartCar but I have driven cars that needed wheel alignments (which can cause very noticable vibrations). Your rental car may
have hit a pothole or two previous to you using it.
That must be why they were so popular in Canada
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:30pm
They aren't good in the snow.
There are some videos out there from their launch in the US - they use one in a head-on with a small Mercedes. The smart car is a hampster ball - it demolishes the Mercedes, actually.
Why settle for just a decent
By Kinopio
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:04pm
Why settle for just a decent used car? Might as well splurge since its not like this state ever adjusts the gas tax or charges for parking permits in Boston or charges the market rate for metered parking. You can even get your own free personal parking space as long as you put a piece of garbage in the street. And if the snow removal budget goes over its fine, car drivers musn't be hassled by snow, they'll get the millions from elsewhere.
I take pride
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:07pm
I take pride in that I've never had a car payment, EVER, and I'd like to keep it that way.
I wouldn't buy a new car anyways, loses its value the minute you drive it off the lot.
You run the T
By ccd
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:48pm
Cybah, you seem to be a public transit expert. Perhaps you should be running the MBTA(insert sarcasm)! Last time I checked, when goods and service are exchanges for a fee(money) its a business and runs like a business. Yah know balance sheets, income statements capital expenses, revenue. "Transit policy" is irrelevant if the business side of things fail to operate...
bzzt
By cybah
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 2:51pm
whatever dude.. not even gonna waste my time explaining because you obvious don't get it. (did you even read the report in full?)
did you know
By Malcolm Tucker
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:30pm
Public transportation is meant to be a public service. Privatizing it (i.e., making it a business) would likely make it less accessible to the public, thus eliminating its usefulness as a public service. There are still facts and figures and budgets and such in public services, but it's not a business just because money is involved.
~*~the more you know~*~~
False dichotomy. Ever heard
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 6:38pm
False dichotomy. Ever heard of non-profits? Hospitals, food banks, all sorts of other public assistance programs, but not provided by government. They're private, but they're not for-profit businesses, and they're run for the benefit of the public.
Hospitals Are Non-Profit?????
By BlackKat
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 11:40pm
Gee, I did not realize Partners was so altruistic. I guess it was wrong to apply the Tunney Act and we should have just let them keep gobbling up hospitals like the Borg.
I'm reading some of the stuff
By Scratchie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:58pm
The deuce you say.
It's Beacon Hill that's broken
By necturus
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:01pm
The system has been starved of necessary investment for too long.
The T's woeful state is symptomatic of a larger problem: the Commonwealth's 18th century constititution, written for a society of gentleman farmers, dosen't work in the modern world. A document that gives Robert DeLeo, responsible only to a relative handful of voters in Winthrop, so much power over legislative priorities that affect the whole Commonwealth is clearly dysfunctional.
As Patriot's day approaches, it occurs to me that Massachusetts would probably be better off today if the British had won. Our Canadian neighbors have a much more sensible constitution.
Did you miss the part about unspent capital budget?
By moxie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:35pm
You know, that little $2.2B allocated for repair/improvement over the last five years, that wasn't spent on repair/improvement?
The management of this agency is quite simply befucked. The problem starts there.
What I need to know more about
By whyaduck
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:44pm
is whether the capital budget can be tapped for repair/improvement? Are there any restrictions on the same?
I do agree, however, that there has to be management changes.
The vast majority of time
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 2:55pm
The vast majority of time capital funds are tied to specific projects and cannot be redirected into other funds. There's also a lot of capital funds laying around that have been approved to be devoted to in-progress projects that are still unspent (ie paying for landscaping on the GLX, which they won't pay out until it happens, but is budgeted, so looks unspent)
Did you miss the part
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:04pm
About how federal funding works? Contracts?
Or do you simply have no clue about holdbacks and phased pay outs and all that? These funds are not fungible.
lolmbta
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 6:44pm
They figured out a way to use $66.5M of capital funds to pay for 444 employees' salaries (see p17). But they can't figure out how to use capital funds on other capital expenditures. Lol.
Indeed, this part of the
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 6:41pm
Indeed, this part of the report was truly mind-boggling. You'd think they'd at least find a way to squander that $2B on more six-figure do-nothing no-show executive positions. The T management is so incompetent and inept they can't even figure out how to waste available money efficiently.
Why oh why
By Criss
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:10pm
Why can't some (most it seems) commenters here accept anything Baker or this panel says? It's like suddenly everyone here is an expert on public transit.
And at least he's trying to do something with the T. What exactly did Deval or Mitt do to improve things?
Short memory?
By adamg
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:31pm
Patrick worked to expand dedicated funding for the T. Remember the increase in the gas tax? Also got funding for the new Red and Orange Lime trains.
Orange Lime Trains
By Steeve
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:50pm
Those sound delicious.
I've heard...
By dmcboston
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:21pm
...that some of them are lemons...
Hiyo
By Steeve
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:18pm
Hiyo
Also got funding for the new
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:55pm
Which, due to the structural problems in the T as pointed out in this report, won't actually be fully delivered for nearly another decade.
That's how long it takes
By Ari O
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 9:50pm
They were funded in 2013, spec'ed in 2014, bid in 2014, and the contract is now out and being signed (oh and came in well under budget).
Now why is it taking so long? Because the parochial powers that be made a perhaps political calculation that they had to be build in Massachusetts, rather than in another state that has a functioning transit factory. So they have to build a factory! That takes time. You don't just buy these things off a lot.
How long do you think it takes Ford to R&D, spec, design and assemble a car prototype before it rolls off the line? More than a year, that's for damn sure.
Exactly...
By octr202
Thu, 04/09/2015 - 8:07am
...had "we" decided these cars were of critical and urgent need, there are several car builders in the US with existing factories, some even with rapid transit cars rolling off the assembly lines right now. I'm sure Kawasaki could have taken the guts of their cars for NYC MTA or WMATA and put then in carbodies shaped to fit our tunnels quite easily. But that would have entailed letting them be built in New York or Nebraska. Can't have that, so we're going with untried and untested.
The T's procurement process is a mess. But somehow I don't see how putting the politicians in more control of it is going to improve the process.
And gave us Beverly Scott, and James Aloisi
By moxie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:39pm
I wouldn't go around talking up Deval's management accomplishments if you want to win an argument.
It's like suddenly everyone
By DTP
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:34pm
I guarantee you 90% of commenters on UHub are more knowledgeable about public transit than Charlie Baker and his cronies.
He hasn't done anything yet
By El Danimal
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:45pm
Many people before him have commissioned these expert panels to produce reports and recommendations. No one has really done much with them yet. I am willing to give Baker a chance and see if he actually tries to make some changes. If he actually takes the recommendations of the panel and takes over control of the MBTA, that would be a bold move. He would then own the entire problem himself and be judged on the outcome.
Right...
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:23pm
Yes, let's drive housing costs up even more! Big Dig debt should be moved back to the roads, plain and simple (this from someone who drives every day).
According to the report, the MBTA pays $108 million annually in big dig debt. I just looked at MassDot data for the tunnels and Tobin in Boston, and in 2013 (the most recent I can find) combined toll revenue was just south of $411 million. If there were a 5% toll increase, that's another $20.5 million per year right there that could all go towards the Big Dig, and these numbers may be higher based on updated data.
Not perfect, but it's a start and the increase would be negligible to drivers.
This will probably cause more harm than it's worth. Wheres the tipping point between paying a exorbitant amount for unreliable transit service (after all, this plan is supposed to take 20 years), and driving? I'd also be willing to bet fare evasion would increase due to people just on the cusp of being able to afford the T no longer being able to after a larger hike, and also because:
I've already pointed out in another thread that fare evaders get away with it, because you never actually see any T employees in stations, with the exception of some of the "Major" ones.
You're not going to win disengaged personnel back, and turnover comes at a very high cost in the form of training, recruiting, etc. It's a catch-22.
The halt on expansion is actually a good idea.
The public-private partnership idea NEEDS to be explored further and be brought front and center. I dedicated a year of graduate school to researching and redesigning a communications and social media strategy for the MBTA (which for the record is MUCH better than what they're doing now), and in the process also got into the business aspect a bit, particularly exploring PPP's. Setting these up with anyone who has a stop named after them would go a long, long way. BU, Northeastern, BC, MFA, Prudential, and other organizations with money have a lot to offer, and gain.
Get these organizations to fund cleaning and maintaining their respective stations in exchange for branding rights (as opposed to just selling them to random corporations as explored a few years ago) and either exclusive advertising rights in these stations, or a cut of outside advertising revenue for placements sold at these stations. You can also add free digital advertising for these organizations via social media at virtually no cost (posting/sharing/tweeting events, info, etc.)
There's way too much "old school" though in this report, and that's a big problem in such an "innovative" city.
The state should look at
By Irmo
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 12:55pm
For the record: if your town is populated by commuters who drive in, then you are served by the T whether or not you have bus/train service, simply because the T reduces the number of people you share the roads with.
I never said anything about proximity
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:02pm
So not sure where you're coming from. I simply said increasing housing costs via property taxes is NOT a good solution in this area.
From Business Insider this past February, which names the Boston area the 7th most expensive place to live in America:
I said that Big Dig debt should be placed back on the roads, aka the drivers (like myself), not the transit system.
Taxes aren't that bad in Boston
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:12pm
I pay taxes in another city in another part of the country and they are considerably higher and include more services.
Somebody must have asked someone in Southern NH.
So
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:20pm
The Taxachusetts moniker is inaccurate?
Seriously though, I won't get into a debate about Business Insider's sources, and if the article is inaccurate, fine.
Regardless, the cost of living in this area, especially housing, is extremely high for a variety of reasons. And while taxes may or may not play a role now, increasing property taxes increases the cost of housing, and that is not a good thing.
Yes
By leaving DTX
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 4:57pm
...I suspect you were kidding, but yes, the Taxachusetts moniker is inaccurate. I recently returned here from the Albany area, and NY taxes in nearly every category (auto, income, property, fees, whatever) are worse in nearly every way (higher, more tedious to calculate and pay, more paperwork, more fighting with the department over the true amount due). If you dislike MA/Boston taxes, I invite you to try New York State.
Born and raised my friend.
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 7:21pm
Spent 25 years there.
I'm not saying MA is the worst in the country, but there are a LOT of ridiculous taxes/charges here too.
What I'm saying is raising property taxes to pay for the T is stupid.
Yes
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 5:01pm
Yes. It is inaccurate. The high costs of real estate in the Boston area are due to the high cost of the real estate.
Massachusetts comes in at #31 - pretty much near the middle:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102566710
Considering our income and property values are quite high, the overall burden isn't bad at all.
Go live somewhere cheap
By Ari O
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 9:53pm
Go to Bakersfield. It's wicked cheap there. There's tons of pollution and no water, but it's cheap.
I'm good.
By ChrisInEastie
Thu, 04/09/2015 - 9:59am
Sigh. Reading comprehension.
This argument is that we shouldn't make housing MORE expensive to cover the mismanagement of our transit system.
Nothing to do with living anywhere cheap. Just not making it even more expensive here.
The report calls for an end
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:03pm
Yeah, something I don't understand with these other transit systems is that their monthly passes basically cost more than the number of trips a person would take to get to/from work each day. (See the "trip multiple" bubbles on page 11 of the report.) If you use the T only, or primarily, to commute to work, you'd use it 40x per month (2x day, 20 workdays/mo). So why would you buy a monthly pass that costs more than 40x a single-ride fare?
That's just one of the little tricks the report uses...
By octr202
Thu, 04/09/2015 - 8:43am
...to make the T look bad. Like a lot of the comparisons to other systems, they cherry pick the data to compare. WMATA is the outlier (throwing out London which is even more irrelevant a comparison than NYC), and they picked an artificially high pass (the 28-day FastPass), which is not intended for the same use as an MBTA LinkPass. The Metrorail system is still designed to have most riders pay by the ride, rather than via the unlimited ride system. A rider (as they illustrate on page 11) going from SIlver Spring to Metro Center would pay $3.60 per trip (peak price), and $144 for 40 one-way trips (average month). That FastPass they cite only makes sense for trips from outer areas (when the one-way peak fare hits the $5.90 max), but in those cases you're talking about trips that are comparable to commuter rail here. (And that's another insidious problem with the report - the Metrorail system isn't comparable to our subway - it's a hybrid of commuter rail and subway that reaches further into the suburbs than ours does, given that DC has a very limited commuter rail system.)
I also compared two trips I'm more familiar with. Melrose to Boston (commuter rail here) and New Carrollton to downtown DC (done by Metro, although there is a MARC commuter rail stop there as well). In DC, the trip costs $4.35 each way, or $174 per month (40x one-way). In Boston, that trip by commuter rail costs $5.75 one way, or a pass is $182. So there you actually get more frequent service at less cost than in Boston.
Their cherry-picking of data to compare with the T makes you wonder just how rooted in reality a lot of this report is.
And the big problem with
By anon
Fri, 04/10/2015 - 12:51pm
And the big problem with comparing with London and NYC is that in those cities, most people go everywhere by public transit, not just to work. So monthly passes are priced higher than the cost of 2 trips per weekday.
Also, Those Systems Are MUCH Bigger; And NYC Runs 24 Hours A Day
By Elmer
Fri, 04/10/2015 - 3:55pm
Also, Those Systems Are MUCH Bigger; And Run
By ChrisInEastie
Sat, 04/11/2015 - 10:53am
Fixed.
This is already almost the
By leaving DTX
Thu, 04/09/2015 - 9:03am
This is already almost the case on commuter rail. Monthly passes (the online variety) for my zone are slightly less than the cost of 32 rides (i.e. 16 days of roundtrips). Most months, all it takes is four or five days of work at home (and/or rides where my pass isn't checked) to make passes uneconomical.
So, past a certain point, raising the price of monthly passes can decrease revenue. Certainly in all cases there's a fixed point beyond which there is no more revenue to be gained by raising the price, and if the commuter rail pricing is any guide, the MBTA may already be close to that price.
yeah if it starts to cost
By whaler
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:29pm
yeah if it starts to cost more to take the T than to park...getting up super early and driving in is looking better and better.
Even just within the city
By ChrisInEastie
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 3:39pm
I live and work on opposite ends of the city, and even with Storrow traffic, it's a 20-30 min drive vs an hour to 1:15 train ride. And that's with going opposite rush hour traffic by the time I hit the Green Line.
Granted I have free parking at my office (yes, that does exist!), I'd pay in a heartbeat to avoid dealing with the MBTA. My car was in the shop for a week back in March, and that was one miserable week.
Remember, "Big Dig debt"
By anon
Wed, 04/08/2015 - 1:45pm
Remember, "Big Dig debt" actually means Silver Line and Greenbush Commuter Rail debt.
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