By adamg on Mon., 6/1/2015 - 4:08 pm
This is a confederate flag right? pic.twitter.com/D29Nd2YzEf
— Sarah J. Jackson (@sjjphd) June 1, 2015
Somebody carries a confederate battle flag every year in the parade. Anybody know why?
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Ha
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 7:02am
Please tell me how it could be worse than flying a nazi flag....
Because Germany at least
By erik g
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 8:44am
Because Germany at least doesn't have the gall to hang swastikas outside state government buildings in the 21st century. They disavowed and apologized for the entire era of their history, because they're ashamed by it. Which is what the South should be doing.
Nope
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:01am
Still not even close to the same thing. If your problem is with slavery, then you should also have an issue with flying the American flag too.
Maybe they should embroider that on their flag
By Michael
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 11:10am
"The Confederate States of America (1861-1865): Not As Bad as Nazi Germany"
Maybe we should embroider this on out flag
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 11:57am
"The United States of America (1776 - ): Only completely eradicated the indigenous population of one continent." People, or country's in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.
At the end of the day it's just a flag. There are still people enslaved in parts of the world today, but no one on here really gives a shit about slavery, they just want something to get worked up about.
They're not eradicated. Open
By Dot net
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 1:54pm
They're not eradicated. Open your jaundiced eyes. Your view of history is incomplete, and just flat out wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_reserv...
Are you kidding me, Smalls?
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 2:38pm
Just because not every single Native American was killed, doesn't mean they weren't stripped of their land, massacred and the remaining forced to move to tiny reservations.
If you don't think that they were wronged, then give me your address, I'm moving into your house. Don't worry though, I'll give you a corner of the yard for you to hang out in.
Currently at the Smithsonian in Washington....
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 2:41pm
... at the National Museum of the American Indian is this pertinent (and excellent) special exhibit:
http://www.nmai.si.edu/explore/exhibitions/item/?i...
Please don't redefine what
By Dot net
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 2:51pm
Please don't redefine what eradication means. In that way, you are belittling the experience of every American Indian and other American indigenous that lived, and still live, in the last 520 odd years.
I think they were wronged, in case it isn't clear.
The point was and still is
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 3:18pm
It's hypocritical to condemn one piece of cloth and turn around and salute another with an equally dark past. I'm not saying the stars and bars should be displayed anywhere, but American's sure do have a slippery memory when it comes to atrocities committed under the stars and stripes.
"equally dark past"
By Michael
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 3:52pm
The US flag carries some serious baggage, sure, and I despise those who loudly wave it (or god help us, wear it as a t-shirt) without acknowledging that, but it's also the flag of Iwo Jima, D-Day and the moon landing. When exactly did the Confederacy put *any* positive points up on the scoreboard?
Then...
By lbb
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 9:42pm
...don't use big words like "eradicated" when you clearly don't know what they mean, mmmkay?
"eradicate" defined
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 9:51pm
to do away with as completely as if by pulling up by the roots
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eradicate
Now, if you had said, "the US tried really really hard to eradicate most of the indigenous population of our part of the continent" you would have been correct.
Or not.
By lbb
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:28pm
I'm no expert, but weren't the majority of Native people in New England killed by epidemic diseases rather than government policies? Not that there was a "US" at the time, anyway.
A tribe by tribe issue
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:52pm
But we did plenty of wholesale slaughtering in colonial New England. For instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic_massacre
About twenty years ago a
By Refugee
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 4:47pm
About twenty years ago a white frosh at Harvard thought it would be fun to hang a Confederate flag from her dorm window. A black frosh at Harvard was offended, and thought it would be a good protest to hang a Nazi flag out of her dorm window.
It quickly became apparent that displaying a Nazi flag in Harvard Yard is way worse than displaying a Confederate flag.
Godwin's Law
By Covertequation
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:15am
When you compare something to the Nazi's you automatically lose.
What is the law...
By Scratchie
Wed, 06/03/2015 - 9:30am
... that says that people citing Godwin's Law will misunderstand it?
Massage?
By Tim Tam Girl
Mon, 06/01/2015 - 10:22pm
Sorry, I don't understand the massage reference. Could you please explain? Because it sounds a bit like you're implying that it was ridiculous that she'd be upset by that, and the mention of a massage - to which she didn't herself allude - sounds like you're working overtime to paint her as trifling and indulgent. I do hope I'm wrong. Please elaborate.
And so long as I'm asking for explanations, I'd be interested in what you think the 'rightly' of that 'rightly or wrongly' would look like. I can't imagine a compelling, or even passably rational, 'right' reason one would identify with that symbol of slavery.
Maybe because it's not a
By anon
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 6:23am
Maybe because it's not a symbol of slavery to everyone?
Maybe because you belonged to one of the American military units who have flown it in every war since?
I can think of a lot of maybes, but please go on being a knee-jerk reactionary unable to imagine any viewpoint but his own. Just do it at 4chan or some other home for trolls.
You're right
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:09am
It is a symbol of treason.
Also
By Michael
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:22am
Skynyrd
Is the Star Spangled Banner
By anon
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 4:29pm
Is the Star Spangled Banner not a song about treason and rebellion?
Oh wait, we won that war. I guess that makes it not treasonous.
To the victors go the spoils ...
By adamg
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 8:38pm
We won that war. And the Civil War.
Star-Spangled Banner
By Michael
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 8:53pm
Written during the War of 1812. A song about a fort in Baltimore surviving a night of barrage by the British, who we had been separated from for decades at the time. Not sure how you get treason and rebellion there.
To neo-Confederates....
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 9:08pm
... any old stupid trash is good enough to spout.
Treason and rebellion
By Sock_Puppet
Wed, 06/03/2015 - 7:15am
To the British (and to the Tories), our founding fathers were all traitors. To the British, the colonies were in rebellion. It's perfectly fair and correct for them to characterize history that way. George Washington committed treason agains the Crown. Fine. You know what, he's not buried in Britain. He's not honored in Britain, and no Briton should be expected to honor him.
The difference is that Lee and the Confederacy committed treason against the United States of America. No citizen of the United States of America should honor him for that.
Except we didn't win the War
By peanut
Thu, 06/18/2015 - 12:43pm
Except we didn't win the War of 1812.
Oy vey...
By Tim Tam Girl
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:55am
Yes, my crazy reactionary brain will go associating the confederate flag with slavery. Silly little me. I'll go sit quietly in the corner while the real intellects scuttle about trying to disconnect the avowed symbol of the slave-owning American South from racism and all other ugliness.
We're in Massachusetts
By perruptor
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 3:09pm
Anybody who displays a Confederate battle flag in Massachusetts is proclaiming their asshole racism, not any love of American history. No matter how many hairs are split trying to prove the Civil War wasn't about racism, that flag is always going to be about it, and the farther it travels from the onetime CSA, the more clearly a symbol of racism it is.
Follow up
By zetag
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 7:05am
She mentions the massage in a follow up tweet, I'm not painting her as anything. Also there were many more differences between the north and the south besides slavery, and this is one of the reasons many southerners still associate with the flag.
Yes, many more differences, let me name just a few...
By whyaduck
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 11:08am
Jim Crow laws, vagrancy laws (Southern Black Codes), and then denying the freed slaves their constitutional right to vote and...
Massage reference
By roadman
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 9:44am
I thought of Monty Python. As in "And now, a massage from the Swedish Prime Minister."
Will Gov. Baker be issuing a
By anon
Mon, 06/01/2015 - 9:26pm
Will Gov. Baker be issuing a comment on the Confederate flag controversy?
https://twitter.com/KarynPolito/status/60553366472...
Robert Gould Shaw & 54th Regiment
By cscott
Mon, 06/01/2015 - 11:22pm
I wonder if they would have the nerve to troop that slaver's rag past the memorial to the 54th? What's up with no one from the Ancient Order stepping up and telling them not to fly that thing? I gotta be honest, there's something a little weird about your hardcore reenactor types anyways.
Not Anacient and Honorables
By Bob Bean
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 9:42am
his flag is NOT being carried by the Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company but is being carried by a historic organization from Georgia. They come to Boston every year as many other historic chartered military organizations do.
And by including them in what is a celebratory march ...
By adamg
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:04am
Are we in effect condoning, even lauding the reasons that organization came to fly that flag in the first place?
Bunch of
By bulgingbuick
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:17am
half POGS.
Because it's part of AMERICAN history!
By Anne Weatherbee
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:44am
....
Yes, it's part of AMERICAN history
By Bob Leponge
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 2:19pm
Just like the swastika is part of GERMAN history.
What's your point, again?
Ancient and Honorable Artillery Company
By O-FISH-L
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 10:54am
Invincible in peace. Invisible in war.
Maybe instead of fighting about it on a website
By UHub fan
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 12:00pm
someone should just ask the event organizers directly?
C'mon, Adam, commit an act of journalism!
Cannon
By Ubermonkey
Tue, 06/02/2015 - 2:09pm
They needed somewhere to point the cannon?
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