Steven Locke is a professor at Mass. College of Art and Design. He's won awards for his work. And he's black. Yesterday, on his way to the school, he parked in the lot behind Bukhara on Centre Street in JP, and started to walk out towards the Purple Cactus to get a burrito. And briefly became a suspect for a break-in, detained by a number of Boston cops, at least one who took care to unsnap his gun holster. Locke recounts the incident, including the hug a black woman who stopped to witness it all, gave him as he stood there afterwards.
"Thank you," I said to her. "Thank you for staying."
"Are you ok?" She said. Her small beautiful face was lined with concern.
"Not really. I'm really shook up. And I have to get to work."
"I knew something was wrong. I was watching the whole thing. The way they are treating us now, you have to watch them. "
"I'm so grateful you were there. I kept thinking to myself, 'Don't leave, sister.' May I give you a hug?"
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Wow, my heart started beating
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 9:48am
Wow, my heart started beating fast just reading his whole write up of the encounter there...I can't imagine it for real for him.
I see no problem with that encounter.
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 9:51am
The officers were polite and respectful. He matched a description. I suppose the professor thinks home invasions shouldn't be investigated? The responses to his blog post border on hysterical.
Doesn't really qualify as "investigating"
By mseskin
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:13am
Yes, police should investigate break ins. They should not, however, detain random people based on nothing but a vague description.
This is just taking a shot in the dark, so to speak.
He writes so
By Kathode
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:16am
well about what it is like to not be believed and to have one's fate in the hands of others -- the victim and the police. Terrifying.
elephant in the burrito
By Nancy L
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:30pm
I think it would be hard to be presumed suspect of committing a crime once or throughout the course of your life, no matter your station. And not because you're dressed to go to your job as a professor but simply because you're black skinned.
If it were me, I'd want to be able to live a life where I was presumed innocent.
And on top of being suspected of crimes, you're suspected of being violent. In your presence, an officer unsnaps his gun holster. What he is saying is, I'm getting ready to use this. Yeah, that would suck.
That doesn't happen to me.
So let's presume he didn't commit any crime, let's presume his innocence and that no evidence was found to the contrary. Do you think the officers should get a refresher course on implicit bias?
Do you think
By Anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 4:59pm
Crime victims should get a course on implicit bias? It might have really been a white guy that robbed their house, but bias and racism made their eyes see a black man.
Are they public servants?
By Nancy L
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 5:33pm
.
Public servants
By Anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 7:45pm
Are looking for a black man because they were told by the victim the perpetrator was a black man. Should they have the victim count to 100 or so before describing the perp, just to ensure it wasn't in fact a white guy?
Did you read the blog post?
By Felicity
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:32am
Did you read the blog post? He did NOT match the description, except for his skin color.
Then the officer makes a belittling and condescending dig at his weight. Completely uncalled for, rude and disrespectful.
doesn't fit
By Ralph
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:48am
What you/and the writer consider a dig, I think was the second officer acknowledging the first officer was wrong and we know he is wrong. The dig at his weight was intended to tell him this will be over soon. The one over zealous officer has detained the wrong person and we can't override his decision, so we have to just wait for it to play out.
If you see no problem, you
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:20am
If you see no problem, you are not an effective reader.
I suppose the professor
By MattL
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:21am
Nice strawman. I suppose you think the police should just preemptively throw everyone in jail.
Even nicer strawman
By Anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:28am
Checking on someone who matches the description of the suspect is not throwing someone in jail. And, contrary to what your bleeding heart dictates, a white guy matching the description would have been stopped as well.
Even nicer strawman
By MattL
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:59pm
And they say conservatives have no sense of humor!
All White People Look The Same
By BlackKat
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:03pm
If the description was a white guy of average height and build and wearing a winter jacket and winter hat was the description... would the police stop nigh every white guy they saw, them all pretty much fitting that vague description this time of year?
I dunno
By Roman
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:21pm
did the cops stop every black guy on the street or just this unlucky guy?
This happens to white people
By Robert
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 1:06pm
This happens to white people all the time. It has happened to me 3 times in my life. Each time I was running. The first time I was outraged. But if you cooperate, they eliminate you quickly and continue the search for the criminal. It is upsetting, but this is part of the fallout from crime.
I've ben detained
By downtown-anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:45am
Granted it was for less than a minute. I am white and over 50, but somehow I fit the description. At the time I was detained I was wearing flip-flops - not the tools of a reasonably bright crime perpetrator. Anyway the woman that had complained to the cops saw me and immediately dismissed me as not the person she had complained about. I had other things to do so I didn't stick around to find out what the issue was.
I suppose the brevity of my detention was at least partially due to my skin color though.
In case you couldn't wrap you
By Republican
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:17am
In case you couldn't wrap you mind around it, the cop stopped him because he matched the description of a home invasion suspect. This by no means is a racial attack by police. Only a fool would believe that. Goodbye.
And unsurprisingly you are a
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:19am
And unsurprisingly you are a self-proclaimed republican
Yes, because because all
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:58am
Yes, because because all republicans are evil people. Democrats are just sweet, delicate little flowers who want to sit in their safe spaces and eat happiness cake all day.
anybody that staunchly identifies
By Scumquistador
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:07am
as either political party is a piece of human garbage in my book to be honest
dividing a complex situation and thought process into literal red and blue teams where the middle ground is frowned upon by both was one of the least intelligent political concepts in history as far as modern governance is concerned
the only team i bat for is america, your red and blue be damned
Sorry, but,
By boo_urns
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:30am
The comment was perfect. He "fit the description."
Routine?
By mseskin
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:21am
So, when's the last time you were stopped because you matched a suspect's description?
And in the late fall early winter, who doesn't match the description "puffy coat, knit hat." Oh... wait. Also black. Yeah, clearly not about race (it's never about race).
Wait
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:29am
How is it racial if the suspect they were looking for is black? Should they stop a few whites guys just to make the PC babies feel a little better?
Laughably vague
By mseskin
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:38am
The point is that giving a description of "white guy in a puffy coat and knit hat" would be recognized as laughably vague and result in no stops of random people on the street.
And in the incredibly unlikely event that that did happen, it still wouldn't be the same because of the systemic problem of racial bias that exists in this country.
Do you really lack empathy to such a degree that you can't read this piece and appreciate what this man was going through?
What?
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:47am
Are you suggesting that the police would ignore a description of a suspect because he was white? Are you fucking high?
Again, what were the police supposed to do? Break in happens, suspect fits the description near the scene - do they walk away because he's black (although black was a key indicator in the description)? Because feeeeeeeeeeelings.
you're clearly high
By Ralph
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:51am
He was the wrong size, he didn't fit the description. They literally just stopped anyone and put them through this. It is the cops feelings that were wrong, acknowledged by the second cop telling him he did not fit the description.
His blog is such an echo chamber.
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:53am
The bleeding hearts were falling all over themselves to prove how compassionate and sensitive they were to his tragic situation. Sweet Lord some people need to toughen up. This whole thing is comically overblown. I don't think you can reason with people who come into a situation with the same bias which they have wrongly attributed to the officers.
If we are going to have a fruitful discussion about community policing etc we have to ignore the lunatic fringe. They will never be satisfied, are irrational and will not be part of any solution.
Quick question. Seeing as
By MattL
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:23am
Quick question. Seeing as there are plenty of cops out there on a daily basis looking for suspects who are white, how often have you and your friends been stopped by the cops? Because I know the answer for me is exactly 0.
Not sure what answer you are
By kvn
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:48am
Not sure what answer you are looking for here. I am white and have been questioned under arms on a few occasions. I was just in the wrong place at the right time. Answering the questions asked politely, I was left to go about my business as the officers went about theirs. Two of the times were in response to an armed robbery in process, and I was just proximate to the action. But I wouldn't want to have to make that split second descision , friend of foe, you get it.
I'm a white guy who was
By anon_wd
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 1:19pm
I'm a white guy who was stopped and put in the back of a squad car in Watertown under the auspice of a burglary investigation about 12 years ago- for choosing to walk down the driveway to the back entrance of my building- Even after showing ID that I lived there the cops insisted on making ride with them around the block to the front entrance of my building before cutting me loose- I got the strong feeling that at least 1 of them felt this was more entertainment for them then police work
this happened to me
By Scumquistador
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 1:45pm
i lived in newton for a fairly long time and in spite of my spanish heritage am pretty pale. i was in a cab with a similarly pale friend of mine and we got pulled over for 'matching a description' (two white males).
at first i was mainly like "oh god WTF did this cabbie do that he is getting pulled over" and then very shortly i was like "WTF how do you actually get pulled over for being white in newton MA"
im not really trying to compare the situations because theyre not remotely similar, but it seemed relevant enough and im still incredulous about getting pulled over for being caucasian in newton of all places
I've been detained more than once and I am white
By Jeff F
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:11pm
I've even written about the scarier experience here on UHub several times. I was waiting for the 39 with a group of about a half dozen other commuters near the Pru. Apparently some teens had been witnessed making fake 911 calls from public pay phones in the area. Two patrol cars screeched up, several uniformed officers jumped out and surrounded me, and proceeded to interrogate me on the street.
Turned out I was the wrong height, wrong weight, wrong hair length, wrong age. But the police kept me for about 20-30 minutes and went through all my stuff. At least twice I was told I was about to be arrested. One of my fellow commuters even lied and indicated yes when asked by one cop if I had been using the nearby phones.
The senior officer was polite and professional (and eventually released me), but a couple of the other officers present were far more threatening and gruff.
You bet your ass that I told them exactly what I was doing when I reached for my wallet and when I handed over my backpack and smartphone (rare in those days).
***
Here's a question for you Matt et al - is there any number of counter-examples that would convince you to abandon your implicit 'only black men have occasion to fear the police' meme?
is there any number of
By MattL
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 10:44am
Sure, just as soon as your limited personal experience becomes statistically significant. Until then, I'm going to side with what is proven statistically significant evidence.
MattL
By Pete Nice
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:13am
You have stats on Identification FIOs after crimes? I'd love to see them.
Pete Nice
By MattL
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 11:40am
If you want to build some excuse around FIO IDs that shows somehow that African-Americans are not disproportionately caught up in the criminal justice system, I'd love to see THAT.
In an area where African Americans are committing crimes?
By Pete Nice
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 8:08am
Those stats really do not have anything to do with anything, but you were the one claiming to have stats, not me.
have stats, not me.
By MattL
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 1:41pm
Well, that's pretty obvious.
You haven't shown us your "proven statistical evidence"
By Pete Nice
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 1:53pm
Which is probably comical.
Be careful about invoking statistics
By Jeff F
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 3:11pm
Matt, first you tried to make an unqualified argument about the absense of unpleasant/fearful/possibly-unjust interactions between white citizens and police, based on your personal anectdotal experience, now you are invoking statistics apparently as a way of discounting other UHubbers accounts of same. That's a bit hypocritical.
Detailed statistics about policing in the US are hard to come by. It's currently impossible to tell how many incidents take place each year like the one reported by Prof. Locke (and me, and all the others here), much less figure out how many were legit from both a public safety+civil rights pov.
But if we look police-citizen interactions of the worst possible kind - the ones where someone ends up dead, then we can see that this year has been pretty typical in that only about 1 out of 4 persons killed by police was black, and nearly twice as many whites as blacks have been shot and killed by police so far in 2015. (And also - that about 1 in every 30 Americans killed with a gun was killed by a cop!)
Only about 1 out of 7 Americans are black, so clearly, blacks are engaged by the police in numbers way disproportionate to their representation in the general population (the numbers above translate into a black individual being ~3x more likely to be shot by police than a white individual). Undeniably, racial bias in policing is a problem we need to deal with. But it's a weird sort of myopia to conclude that racial bias drives all negative police/citizen interactions.
I think a lot of middle class whites (of all ideological stripes) like to tell themselves this is so. Then they can feel righteously indignant but still personally unthreatened. But statistics don't support the 'only black men have occasion to fear the police' meme. (They do support the 'there's too many people being killed by police' meme, and the 'black men have more occasion to fear the police' meme.)
first you tried to make an
By MattL
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 3:50pm
LOL, Jeff. Five paragraphs to make a straw man argument is a lot of spilled e-ink.
It would be if I had
By Jeff F
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 12:02pm
You apparently fail the reading comprehension test on your own posts.
You apparently fail the
By MattL
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 1:12pm
Said the guy who doesn't realize he made a straw man argument, and then doubled down with an ad hominem.
How do we know how close by
By handmaid999
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:21pm
How do we know how close by this alleged break in happened? Cop pointed non-specifically toward Hyde Square, according to Professor Locke.
I have had my home invaded as
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:38am
I have had my home invaded as I sleep and understand the importance of catching such criminals. Did you miss the part about they were looking for a burglar? I guess so...
And he notes the police were polite
By adamg
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:33am
The key thing for me in his account was what it was like being detained like that. I kind of know the feeling - somebody once reported me as a child molester or kidnapper - but there's one key difference: I had absolutely no reason to think the cop (well, trooper) wouldn't believe me. As a white person, why should I? It's just not the same for a black person, not even in Boston in 2015 (he looks old enough to have been around during the whole Stuart fiasco), not even on Centre Street in JP. Although I don't know Locke, I'm glad the woman stayed to watch the whole thing and gave him a hug.
Those confusingly polite
By Republican
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:46am
Those confusingly polite racists cops will trick ya everytime, huh Adam?
One thing that struck me in his account
By adamg
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 1:02pm
Was that the two times he reached into his pocket for ID or his car keys, he told the police first what he was about to do. I would have never thought to do that; cop asked to see my ID, I just would've reached for my wallet. But then, I'm not a member of a group that has, in other parts of the country (and in the past here in Boston) been assumed guilty and threatening just by standing there (one of the perks of being a Shlub-American).
"I would have never thought
By Patricia
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 10:41am
"I would have never thought to do that; "
That's on you. I'm white but there's no way I'm reaching in a pocket, or fidgeting with anything while being questioned by police.
Come on... weren't you ever told by your parents how to behave when pulled over and/or questioned by police?
I had the unfortunate incident of having a warrant served at my address at 1:30 in the morning about a month ago. Street lined with cops and staties, also surrounding my house. They got another household member outside in the backyard emptying pockets. Lucky for him, he also knows how to act when being questioned by police.
Fortunately for me the person's name on the warrant no longer lived at the address (I moved in about 4 months ago), but the whole time I was aware they were on "alert". No sudden movements, I invited them in and when the declined I stepped outside. Answered questions that were asked calmly, albeit half asleep.
Come on Adam. Now you're either being naive or trying to make a point.
agree
By Scumquistador
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 11:00am
these things are just common sense
Some people were courteous to their slaves, too
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 11:33am
Individual politeness can still exist within a systematically racist organization or society.
But we know from earlier threads that you aren't capable of thinking much about such things.
You might want to read this: http://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/scientists-are-be...
I get that it was an unpleasant experience for him.
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:57am
Nobody likes to be detained on the street, with people assuming you did something wrong. I don't think anybody is saying it should have been a pleasant experience for him. But it's part of the deal we strike in a democratic society. We have made a decision as a society that we want police officers, and have drafted laws that constrain their conduct. We can't cry racism when the police act within the law, performing a function that we have determined is a net good to society.
You know what's worse
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:42am
Than being stopped and questioned, having your home ransacked by a scumbag.
Oh, no doubt
By adamg
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:58am
Did you miss the part where it was an attempted housebreak?
its true
By Scumquistador
Mon, 12/07/2015 - 11:01am
scumbag is my cousin and he'll leave a mess if you arent careful
the description?
By bibliotequetress
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 2:17pm
Half of the men in the city of Boston wear a "wool cap & puffy black coat" from November through April.
If the housebreaker had been described a, "White male, knit hat, puffy coat" you can sure as hell bet that a well groomed, polite white guy with a work ID on a lanyard around his neck, a car nearby, the wrong build, and wearing khakis (!) would not have been held for 35 minutes on the street, especially after saying he was on his way to work. I bet they would have asked for his license, looked at his work ID, perhaps asked to see inside his car (though probably not), and let him go to work.
It all depends.
By Pete Nice
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:10pm
A story that sticks out in my mind goes as follows: I went to a bank robbery in the spring about 5 minutes after it happened. The bank had just locked the doors when the robber left, and we were about to conduct interviews with witnesses that were in the bank when the robber passed a note. The robber (as seen on the film) was a light skinned hispanic male who was bald wearing a red hooded sweatshirt. A black female witness who was right behind the man stated that he was a black male with dreadlocks wearing a red sweatshirt. When we asked her if she got a good look at him, she said she looked him right in the eyes when he left and saw him drop the note, and the video later confirmed that. Most of the other bank tellers were close in describing the man, although one of them said he was a young white kid with short blonde/brown hair. Long story short, descriptions by witnesses are not always accurate, and a good police officer should know that and do their job seeing if anyone in the area even matches that description.
Bank robbers and home burglars will also often take off layers of clothing and throw them somewhere during their escape, especially if their crime is interrupted and someone saw them.
Why the long wait? Sometimes you want to bring the witness around for a live showup, and when you do that, you need to read them a statement before you do that showup. That often takes time as well.
Also very common for thieves who commit thefts (mostly daytime office/hospital thefts) to wear official looking lanyards and IDs that are sometimes stolen/expired
I think it would be interesting if a city decided to just have all black cops. I really think that would be a good idea actually, and studies would probably be very valuable for everyone involved. (In my opinion, black cops would have done the same thing)
You lose that bet, bibliotequetress
By Jeff F
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:27pm
See my comment above. You were, I am pretty sure, a Uhub member the last time I described my experience being stopped by the police while waiting for the bus. They were looking for someone seen making fake 911 calls. I was the wrong height, wrong weight, wrong hair length, wrong age. The police still detained me for about a half hour and went through my stuff before letting me go.
It was scary as hell, and I totally sympathize with Prof. Locke. But taken by itself, his account is not an example of racial bias in Boston policing.
sorry, I missed your earlier account, jeff f
By bibliotequetres...
Sun, 12/06/2015 - 2:39pm
And Pete, thanks for the thoughtful response.
I should qualify my post to indicate that I don't think that it never happens to white guys, but that the likelihood is higher that a black guy will be treated with the assumption that he is guilty, and is more likely to be not taken seriously while declaiming his innocence, than a white guy in a similar situation.
Why is this a story?
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:27am
The guy fit a description and the police were doing their job. Are you going to report on every traffic stop/questioning of a POC?
Jesus, to be a cop in this day and age must absolutely fucking suck. Cops in Boston are really tame compared to other cities around the country, but damned if they do, damned f they don't.
I'm a Boston Cop and reading
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:34am
I'm a Boston Cop and reading this, my jaw hit the floor. You're right, it SUCKS.
Adam, your opinion on this encounter? Because I'm starting to believe by even posting this ridiculous rant, you're not a fan of us either.
My co-workers were polite, explained the basis for the stop, had enough reasonable suspicion to justify it, and were JUST DOING THEIR JOBS!! What were they supposed to do? See the black guy with the unique winter hat who fit the description and just keep going?! Should they have thought, "Gee, that really could be him, but if I stop him I might hurt his feelings"?
Ridiculous. Absurd. The whole paragraph about him thinking "I'm going to die" was shocking to me.
America is doomed. White, Black, Latino, Gay, Straight, it doesn't matter - we are doomed. That's what I've learned on the streets.
"it doesnt matter. we're
By anon
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:47am
"it doesnt matter. we're doomed"
healthy attitude from a public servant i pay to protect me.
you sound burnt out. maybe get a new job? or did you, for some reason, take a job as a public servant expecting the ground you walk on to be worshipped?
you are not exempt from criticism.
"you're not a fan of us either. "
By Shauna Pauloma
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 3:55pm
If I have a problem with the way I was treated by a Boston Police officer, I have a problem with the way that officer treated me, and I don't hold it against the BPD.
If I have a bad experience with many officers I encounter (which has not been the case) then you'd lose me as a fan boy.
This prof's post isn't about 'the Boston Police Department, it isn't even specifically about the officers who detained the man who stopped for a burrito. It is about the man's experience.
If you read about his experience to learn about his experience (instead of defensively,) you might begin to learn why people policemen suspect wrongly of a crime feel threatened, and ask yourself if the things policemen do that make citizens feel threatened a necessary part of safely detaining them?
I think the answer in this case is no.
Sorry to hear my man. It's
By Republican
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:48am
Sorry to hear my man. It's truly pathetic I agree. Thank you for putting your life on the line.
Sincerely,
Conservative Republican
Sincerely, Partisan Hack
By MattL
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:27am
I'm sorry you feel that way.
By Ralph
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 10:56am
It seems to me the second cop acknowledged that he didn't fit the description it was just one over zealous cops opinion that he did and everyone had to waste how many officers time for 30-40 minutes to just let the whole thing play out.
It seems that when one officer makes a bad call, someone else should step up and say, look, this guy doesn't fit the description.
why do you think
By Scumquistador
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:04am
he thought he was going to die?
i mean, its pretty terrifying to me that youre supposed to be protecting people and your mentality is:
"America is doomed. White, Black, Latino, Gay, Straight, it doesn't matter - we are doomed. That's what I've learned on the streets."
i mean fuck it, if thats how you feel maybe people should just start offing your coworkers as soon as they approach us and take the law into our own hands. instead of police stations we'll have public armories. i won't need a team of badges to protect me, just as many rounds as I can fit in my magazine. the one in the chamber can be the chief.
Seriously, dude?
By adamg
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 11:57am
Try counting to ten next time you want to talk about murdering people.
sorry im not sorry
By Scumquistador
Sat, 12/05/2015 - 12:09pm
but that was pretty obviously not meant to be taken literally, and was used to illustrate the absurdity of how i perceive the fact that there is a literal nihilist in charge of public safety.
you need to chill the F out with the way you interact with me kid. you try to make a mountain out of a molehill every time you initiate an interaction with me now.
alternate response:
murdering people? here we just call that police academy
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