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Police search for man last seen outside downtown bar

Surveillance photo of Zachary Marr

Surveillance photo of Zachary Marr, outside the Boston Public Market.

Zachary Marr

Police in the town of Harvard are looking for a local man last spotted outside the Bell in Hand in Boston:

Zachary Marr, was last seen in Boston on 02/13/2016, in the area of the Bell in Hand Bar, and did not return home.

Anyone with information regarding this individual is advised to please contact the Harvard Police Department, Sgt. Coates at 978-456-1212 and the Boston Police Department, area A1 Detective Victor Evans at 617-343-4571.

Boston Police add:

Mr. Marr was last seen outside of the Bell in Hand bar in the area of 45 Union Street, Boston at about 1:40 AM on Saturday, February 13, 2016. Mr. Marr is described as a white male, about 5’08” tall and approximately 175 lbs. with short brown hair, blue eyes, and a beard. Mr. Marr was last seen wearing dark jeans, a blue sweatshirt, and black sneakers. Mr. Marr was visiting Boston from Harvard, MA.

A friend of the family says he went outside to smoke a cigarette and never returned.

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This only happened last night? He probably (hopefully) just went home with someone.

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I saw a different posting of this, it says he was last seen after midnight on the 13th. I'm assuming he's MIA since Friday night

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I've just uploaded a timestamped surveillance photo and a bit more from BPD.

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this seems a little early for a search. ive been wrecked with a dead phone and woke up at 4pm at someone elses house. most likly not a huge deal

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given the cold, and the number of intoxicated young men who've ended up drowned in the harbor.

Even if he'd just passed out on the sidewalk somewhere, it's so cold out he'd die before he woke up.

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This person's friends know him better then you. If he's known to be the type of person who wouldn't just leave without telling someone they have a good reason to be worried given the conditions.

Not everyone is inclined to get wrecked and go home with someone. For all you know he's a teetotaler who just went to the bar to hang out with friends.

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I'm not saying anything necessarily happened to him but I can speak from experience partially first- and partially second hand- that between the time and the fact he went out and just wasn't seen again that this dude was probably not even remotely sober. That is usually blackout (or close to it) territory.

Hopefully his combination of luck & ability to come out on top despite all intoxicated odds is similar to what mine and my cohorts enjoyed back in the day.

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What happened re other Boston Cambridge Somerville Brookline area disappearances? Did they turn up later?

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They are found drowned. Someone who knows Zach needs to contact me in regards to his last days seen.

[email protected]

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Do you have some special insight into his disappearance?

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Why would the found himself of Universal Hub, (YOU) username adamg, have such a snarky remark to my last comment? this is a serious matter that should be treated as such.

I have been investigating the similarities of the Boston missing.

Thank you.

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Possibly trying to take advantage of people who are pretty vulnerable at this point. If one of your relatives or friends suddenly went missing, would you contact somebody calling himself X?

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I'm betting he can share his "insight" with you... For a nominal fee of course.

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He can find another venue for his questions.

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I think I know where he's leaning towards. There is some group of people that believe a serial killer is behind some of these disappearances which result in a body being found in the Charles. Not saying he is or isn't one of those people, but might be.

My first thoughts were that this story sounds too familiar. Drunk 20 something leaves a bar late at night in the cold and ends up in the Charles. It's happened a lot. Enough that the state and city is increasing the amount of surveillance along the banks of the river. A few security systems have been able to trace some of the last steps these individuals have taken, but nothing catches anyone actually getting in the water, in the cases I know most of.

I hope this isn't the case, I hope he's found safe and sound. I hate to hear of this crap whenever it happens.

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They say the same thing all over the country. There is no evidence of such, it's just superstition. For example, in Wisconsin:
http://onmilwaukee.com/buzz/articles/smileyfacekiler.html

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The likelihood of a serial killer being behind these disappearances is the same as the likelihood that all the car crashes each week are the work of one nefarious serial killer sabotaging people's cars.

These are accidents. Random tragic events that simply share a common theme. It doesn't mean they're connected. This is simply one of the cognitive biases known as apophenia, where people tease patterns out of random data. (I think there's a more specific name for seeing a pattern of conscious action behind random events, but I can't remember the name of it now.)

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Really?!? How can you compare boys disappearing from the same area starting out once per year leading to two..guesstimate. Not only do they have their age in common...young 20s, but all of them disappear either on the 2nd, 2:00 am, 2nd month of the year ...etc I've seen plenty of intoxicated people around water and they don't just "fall in" and drown. Yes, I could go on

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When you add in all the men who have fallen into the Muddy River who don't get any attention at all because they're homeless. And maybe figure out what the common theme is among the 40-60 mostly young men who are murdered each year in Boston but who don't fall into bodies of water.

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Move last call to midnight or 4 AM and things would change.

And once again, men have been falling into the harbor since Boston was a town and George II was king.

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Teach your kids, brothers, sisters, whomever to use the buddy system when drinking. A bar is not a daycare center. If you are old enough to drink, you are old enough to not need it to be one.

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The body of James Dyer, 23, was found in the water near DiMillo's East Marina, police say.

Mother relieved, saddened by discovery of son's body in Portland Harbor http://www.pressherald.com/?p=805250

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That serial killer sure gets around.

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Had to read the article a few times. This explains why his friends are so concerned. If he was a local University student, it might make sense that he is still floating around downtown. However, his friends must have driven back to Harvard without him (hour drive?), and pretty much panicked the whole way knowing he was not with them. Hope he turns up.

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garbage tier squad

also not that it matters but i thought adam made it really clear, in the first sentence even, that the dude was from harvard the town.

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Although I read and understood Adam's original post that the missing man is from the Town of Harvard, which he clearly is, channel 7 was using the Harvard University shield as a graphic while reporting this story during the noon news. I hope the man turns up safe.

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I continue to think that someone is murdering young men in this city and throwing them in the water.

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Sadly, it isn't all that uncommon a way to die in cities with a lot of young people and a lot of waterfront.

We have no idea right now, though. He may have ended up somewhere and hasn't said anything.

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Actualy it IS uncommon, it goes against ALL drowning statistics in ALL of new england. Both the demographic and time of year are extremely suspicious.

people dont drown in winter.

young men who are in their early 20s, who are in their physical prime dont drown without someone seeing it happen.

it goes against all relative statistics.

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Care to provide the sources for your assertions? Show us your data.

80% of drowning victims are male. >70% of young male drowning victims were using alcohol. Drowning is number 6 for unintentional causes of death in people age 15-24. (source: CDC.gov)

I checked the CDC stats and Boston does NOT have an unexpected number of drowning incidents given the age structure of the population. (national average is 1.3 deaths per 100,000 people age 20-44 per year) Bear in mind that we have much younger population than the rest of New England, and that matters when it comes to one of the top ten causes of unintentional death in this age group, but not in other age groups.

The whole "smiley face" thing has been investigated in multiple cities and there is simply no conspiracy or pattern indicative of a serial killer. https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-regarding...

Put simply: alcohol related drownings are common in areas where there are a lot of drinking age males. Period.

EDIT: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/04/drinkin... instead of scientology tripe. Ugh.

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Did you just quote a Scientology website?

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I found that one, but I thought I had copied this one: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/04/drinkin...

Xenu must have guided my hand. Or those body thetans are getting tricky again!

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PRAISE XENU!!!!

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Little alien bastards invading my cut/paste! Praise Xenu indeed!

The intended link is as above.

I guess I need to pay $$$$ for another audit - the last one didn't work :-P

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While it isn't common, a few dozen young men die every month for various reasons, many of them reported missing and are then found in various locations dead before it hits the news.

Also, I think all of the young men who were found dead from drowning recently have no signs of sexual abuse, or struggle before hitting the water. Autopsies show signs of those who drown before and after losing consciousness.

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And I'll write it again.

Young men have been falling into Boston Harbor and drowning since at least the 18th century.

And yes, people do fall into the water in winter time. They even fall through thin ice.

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And it's not just New England. It is cities that have waterfront areas. It happened to the son of the coach of the Miami Dolphins. Alcohol greatly affects motor and judgement skills,even in phisycally fit young men.

I hope for the best for this guy and he gets home safe to his family. But I really hate seeing people spewing that worn out, dispelled conspiracy theory about the smiley face killers. Please go away.

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You realize we don't even know if this guy is dead, drowned or otherwise, yet, and you're already trying to fit his "people don't drown in winter" death into your elaborate conspiracy theory, right?

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people jumping off of restaurant balconies into the water come to mind as well

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Would you be so sure if he and the others had been young women? Guys are dumb. Right? Hope I am wrong and this young fellow turns up safe and sound. I knew one of these guys who ended up in the water 6 yrs ago and we all still think it was a murder. I will say a prayer for him tonight at any rate.

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That said, other incidents are very much consistent with "drunk guy falls in water".

And it does happen to women, too, just not as frequently - 80% are male.

I'm not going to bother posting all of the information from the CDC that I have posted before - you can find it in earlier discussions.

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Why?

Is there any evidence of this happening, other than that this kind of death has happened multiple times in the same city/river?

Why do people have such a hard time believing this kind of death is accidental?

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Hope Mr. Marr turns up safe and sound. But I can think of at least a half dozen other incidents in recent years of young men's bodies found in the river or harbor, under unusual, even bizarre, circumstances. I understand accidents happen, suicides happen, but it does give pause for thought.

And indeed, if these bodies turning up were young women, I do think there'd be a much bigger stink in the media, among various advocates, even among law enforcement, due to political pressure.

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/07/17/body-woman-found-charles-ri...

However, 80% of such incidents involve guys.

Also? Some of the women who have turned up have been murder victims, with clear evidence of foul play. http://boston.homicidewatch.org/2016/01/28/man-pleads-guilty-to-2004-dom...

National stats would indicate that Boston would have two to three of these incidents per year. Other big college areas with a lot of waterfront have similar issues.

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There's a saying, "When you hear hoofbeats, look for horses" -- meaning, look first at the most likely explanation. Alcohol impairs judgment and interferes with your body's ability to thermoregulate. If your body isn't thermoregulating properly, and your judgment is impaired and you're not making good decisions, hypothermia sets in faster, which further impairs your judgment and your ability to help yourself (people dead of hypothermia are frequently found with jackets off and the like, because they believe they are actually too warm). There's a saying they teach in outdoor rescue: three minutes, three hours, three days, three weeks. That's how long (as a rough measure) a person can survive without oxygen, without shelter in cold weather, without water and without food. In severe cold, that "three hours" would have been somewhat shorter, and if hypothermia + alcohol makes you sit down or lie down somewhere where people won't notice you...well, it doesn't take that long. I hope the guy turns up all right, but if he does not, foul play seems a much less likely cause than alcohol plus the cold.

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probably comes in all shapes and sizes, to some. no doubt if he turns up dead the bar will face an inquest for over serving.

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foul play probably comes in all shapes and sizes, to some

I'm not sure what this means, but back to the title of my previous comment -- I can think offhand of several deaths of college-aged men that were death by misadventure, drinking and falling into a lake/pond/harbor/river or going to sleep in a snowbank. I can't think of any that was a homicide and could have been interpreted as anything else. Do you know otherwise, and if so, what's the data? Is there anything, any evidence at all, that any of these cases are other than what they appear to be?

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regarding foul play + over serving of alcohol

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Wholeheartedly agree with you. I hope this guy shows up unharmed and uninjured, but with the record low temperatures and alcohol consumption, it is a fools hope.

I know the area well. I live in it. Even without knowing where he is, he was one block away from two entrances to the subway, which would have provided warmth. Hell. The holocaust memorial across the street has warm steam vents that would have provided warmth and he was next door to a food establishment that is open until 3AM.

The fact that none of these businesses or locations saw him or caught him on video suggests something more nefarious. While it is possible for him to have wandered to the harbor and fallen in, it is unlikely he did so without being spotted. Even in the cold, there are plenty of people around post 1AM rushing to get home.

I can't imagine a young man who is able to clearly call his cousin/friends inside and tell them that he cannot get back in the establishment being so inebriated as to zombie walk for 10 minutes into the harbor.

The most likely explanations sadly point to criminal explanations.

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I know this family.

He was celebrating his birthday with a few friends and his cousin that night.

He works FULL TIME and goes to school FULL TIME and is extremely responsible. At most, he had 3 drinks and was NOT intoxicated. He stepped out for a quick smoke and when he was done, he went to open the door AND THEY REFUSED TO LET HIM IN.

This kid's coat was still inside and they wouldn't open the door for him, those POS employees. He called and texted his cousin inside to say what happened. They went outside 10 min later to find him completely vanished. No trace.

The friends and cousin NEVER left Boston and reported him immediately missing, as it was very unusual circumstance.

KNOW what you're talking about before writing stupid crap.

THIS kid was abducted, there was no way around it. He was lured, coaxed then abducted as he is somewhat gullible/innocent.

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I think most people are under the impression that he was probably very drunk and stumbled towards the harbor. If, in fact, he wasnt intoxicated this night when he went outside, then please have the family convey that to the media, as we wouldnt want the public to dismiss this as another drunk guy acting stupidly..and be dismissive to the fact this could be an abduction. I hoping a phone trace and cameras in all areas around this area are opened up to investigators to get to the bottom of this.

Did the doorman not let him in because he seemed drunk, or because it was near closing time? Whatever the case, those doorguys have a job to do but are also unnecessarily a$$holes, esp about letting people back in @ closing time. They should have at least gotten the coat back for him.

If his state of mind was good that night, if he wasnt extremely intoxicated, then this is perplexing and scary. I hope he just needed to get away from it all for a while and will come back to his family when he is ready. Prayers to his family.

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But I thought one of the store security camera shots showed him at 1:44AM. It's fairly standard practice not to let anyone into the bar in the 30 minutes or so before 2AM. (I'm not saying that I agree with this - especially when it's frigid and a dude with no jacket...just stating what I've observed.)

@Mike McNally - my prayers are with the family. I can't imagine what they're going through.

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Mike McNally,

Can we talk? I'm trying to keep the case in public eye. You obviously have important information. Please call 617-592-0755 or email [email protected]

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Dan, I admire your work but tell whoever does the graphics that the missing man is from the Town of Harvard, MA not Harvard University. During the noon news, ch. 7 was using the Harvard University "Ve Ri Tas" shield, indicating he is a Harvard student.

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Of Eric Munsell who was not let back into a club to get his jacket on a cold night, and was never heard from again until he was pulled from Boston Harbor last year. He was celebrating his birthday, and was an engineer, not a dumb irresponsible person. I don't know what is happening to these young men, but it definitely seems strange to say the least. And heartbreakingly sad.

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Bell in Hand needs to be more careful with hires. Hope the young man is OK.

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I am so sorry to read about this young man's disappearance.
The few details sound all too familiar.
I don't want to think of the worse case scenario, but if you could let the family know that there is a team investigating such disappearances for a decade or so.
Have them contact Prof. Lee (Doug) Gilbertson, he can be helpful. He has been working with a retired NYC detective on similar cases.
His email is [email protected].
I am a Boston journalist - Adam can vouch for me.
My best wishes that Zach is found safe.
Bella

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Prof. Gilbertson is asking that if you are in the area of the club where Zach went missing to look for graffiti - spray painted graffiti.
We're hoping for Zach's safe return, but if there is graffiti, it is noteworthy.
Bella

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Nice try. You are looking for smiley faces, aren't you?

The happy face killer angle has been debunked, time and time again.

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It sounds like the same situation that happened last year with coogans I believe it was. I can't remember if the bar was ever held responsible. But forcing a drunk person to leave without their coat should be investigated and I know bars do it all the time

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Bell in Hand posted this today:

Our thoughts & prayers go out to Zachary's family and friends.
We have provided video to his family and the police and it showed Zachary leaving the Bell in Hand at 1:20 am and the video clearly shows that Zachary did not try to re-enter the Bell in Hand. It does, however, show several other customers leaving and re-entering. He would not have been denied access. Other video has shown he was last seen in front of the garage heading towards surface artery. We hope that he is found soon and we are cooperating fully with police and the family to help in any way we can.

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He wasn't in an area that he was familiar with.

He wasn't properly dressed for the weather (see surveillance camera).

He was likely intoxicated.

He willingly separated from his friends.

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"He was lured, coaxed then abducted as he is somewhat gullible/innocent."

Can you explain more what you mean by gullible/innocent?

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Actually it said that he text that he was told he wasn't allowed in, but the bouncers and staff have no recollection of saying anything to him.

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James Mokeller Bugby, The Atlantic November 1879
Mysterious Disappearances
"Unless the police lines are drawn closer around the inhabitants of our large cities, the number of those who mysteriously disappear from one cause or another will become still more alarming than it is at present."
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1879/11/mysterious-disappear...

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Great article! Thanks for posting!

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but i was thinking that at this point this kid either doesn't want to be found, or is probably dead.

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anyone remember this odd story? http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/man-dies-after-being-found-in-bell-...

Another thing I'm wondering is if he was mad at the door guy because he wasnt let back in..like, started kicking the door or something...or maybe mad his friends didnt come out right away when they got the snapchat message. He may be more prone to either get in an argument outside with someone (walking, driving by, bouncer, etc as there is a lot of testosterone and alcohol mixing at that hour in that area of the city),or maybe storm off by himself , away from friends because he was upset and thought "screw them". In the later case, maybe he just wants to disappear for a while. Idk, just thinking out loud. Seems like any pings from the cell phone are key, but not sure how or if this can be used by investigators. Does the cell phone need to have power and be turned on to geo-locate?

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He ODed. The Boston Licensing Board ruled the bar was not at fault.

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known to industry professionals as a paperweight

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The cell phone would certainly need power to be tracked; if the battery's dead, it's not trackable.

As for turning it off, most cell phones nowadays are never "turned off" but put into a sleep/suspend mode, in which they are still trackable.

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to acknowledge that somebody that has been gone since (basically) friday is either not interested in being found, or is in dire straights. its end of business monday right now.

reality can bite sometimes. but this isn't a support group for the lost, so i'll continue my theorizing.

i suppose its possible this kid seriously throws down for presidents day

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One of my professors, John Daverio, disappeared and ended up drowned in the Charles. Such a sweet man, and what a waste. https://www.bu.edu/bridge/archive/2003/04-18/daverio.html

Let's hope that things go better for Zachary Marr. Thinking of him, his family, and his friends.

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They should make a waiting space for people who are not allowed back in bars after closing......
Especially in really cold weather or just for safety purposes only. Something has to change. You can't just leave people outside in the city, in the cold, by themselves. That's wrong.

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people should have no responsibility to ensure their own safety. every bar should have to build a little hut outside with a space heater.

lets use your neighborhood as a test area for it. oh, whats that, you have a massive problem with the homeless people that will use it? too bad, it's a safety issue.

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Or the bars should just not be allowed to keep people out until literally closing time. The state liquor regulators already nanny-state bars to death, especially over alcohol+safety issues, so this seems like a pretty simple thing to add.

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Read the book Missing 411 A Sobering Coincidence by David Paulides. This seems to be happening every day. Every time I see that a young man is missing I say to myself, "Another one will be found in the river." And 9 out of 10 times it happens. We have had plenty of them here in MN & WI, but it is happening all over the world now and the rate is increasing. I am in my 50's and I cannot remember this happening over the years. Now I see a headline every other day. It's crazy. It was cold. This kid would have tried to get inside. A cab? A bus? Anywhere warm would do while he waited.

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We remember the cases because they're so odd and shocking, but, no, this sort of thing does not happen every day (and can we remember for a moment we don't yet know what happened here?)

In the meantime, nobody seems to care much about the homeless men who roll into the Muddy River at a rate of one or two a year.

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I mean, there are what, 7 billion people in the world. Surely in China alone they must average one person a day falling into their various rivers.

That said, I agree with you. I would guess this happens maybe 4 times a year. I think I will research this historically at some point to see how many drownings there were a hundred years back. My guess is that the number will be about the same.

Of course, that is not to say that this is how this story will play out. I think we are all making assumptions here. My hope is that he will show up tomorrow with a hell of a story to tell his friends only to find out that Dan Hausle wants to hear the story too.

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The book I mentioned has autopsy results in it that you will never hear about. They are not drowning.

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Unless there is specific evidence of foul play, death by misadventure takes many forms and is particularly hard on young men.

Like the whole smileyface conspiracy theory, it is all just random happenstance meets late adolescence meets alcohol and nothing more: http://homicidecenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Research-Brief-on-S...

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That paper was a great read - thank for the link.

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Not completely picturing the geography here (and I've never been to the Bell in Hand) - how close is the Bell in Hand to the harbor or the Charles?

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You can see it's not that far from the harbor.

Let's keep in mind we have no evidence so far he made it that far. The Bell in Hand claims he was last spotted heading towards the "surface artery" (i.e., the Greenway), but that still leaves numerous different ways he could have gone.

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Any idea where they obtained the surveillance footage? Just wondered how they could possibly assume he was heading in the direction of the Surface Artery, when that's about an 18 minute walk from the Bell in Hand...He could have been heading anywhere...

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This area has many traffic lights, one right in front of public market where last seen on camera. One block down there is another light and several making way down greenway. They all have surveillance cameras on top. Where is the footage of this poor man from these cameras? It would seem pretty simple for BPD to solve where he went based on all the cameras from businesses in area and traffic cameras.

My family knew William Hurley who went missing when left in middle of Bruins game. The Nashua st jail as well as Spaulding rehab and parking lot for Spaulding surely had surveillance of what happened to will. He turned up in the water behind Spaulding a week later, deceased. His phone was found smashed on Nashua st. Not drunk, not drugs. Just tired from working at the crack of dawn at a private country club. People just don't disappear and end up in the water dead.

Praying this young man is safe and this does not end the same way.

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One block from both the Bell in Hand and the Public Market.

Honestly, I don't understand why people are trolling this posting. The guy is missing, and none of us really knows what happened.

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I see another poster made reference to the work of ex-cop David Paulides. He and his son managed to get sufficiently crowd-funded last year to begin production of a movie about his investigations into thousand of missing persons whose cases have unresolved issues and truly boggling similar occurrences which cannot be explained by forensic science. This guy is a total by-the-book, modern Joe Friday (Dragnet), "Just the facts, ma'am"-type of ex-cop.

There are many YouTube interviews with him the last couple of years. I like the ones at "Where Did The Road Go" channel, where the episodes are titled by Paulides's' book titles: "Missing 411: The Devil's in the Details" and "Missing 411: A Sobering Coincidence"; and at "Coast To Coast", best. His books are being resold on Amazon for a king's ransom by the unscrupulous. They are very reasonbly-priced on Paulides's own Website: canammissing . com . He has several Facebook pages, as well.

I contacted him by email about the Zach Marr case and he soon replied that he had already uploaded the case to his Facebook as soon as the information was publicly known - so he's right up on these strange occurrences in an ongoing way. The federal government has endlessly hindered his attempts at FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) discovery. It's all stranger than anyone could ever imagine.

Not to cause young Mr. Marr's family any more grief than they're already experiencing, but this case fits with most of the related cases' facts, which proves nothing . . . yet.

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I encourage all of you to google the facts about these cases before you comment. Not all of these missing young men were out drinking. Yes there is a common thread! these cases seem to be linked to late at night.except for one (which may not be related) in some of these they spoke to someone minutes before they disappeared and were not even near the river. But found later in the River. In a few of the Autopsy reports they say were in the River for 48 hours but was missing for 7-10 days. Also these so called drownings are happening were there are no cameras and there cell phones are found on the shore or smashed. There are two many of these incidences now not to suspect suspicion. I find it highly unlikely William Hurley who just spoke to his girlfriend minutes before his cell phone died and told her the address where he was '99 Nashua St" she said I will be right there. She shows up minutes later to pick him up and he is not there. she drives around and she said it was like he vanished into thin air. His cell phone was found smashed and police released few details. He was found dead in the Charles River. The District Atty says he was only in the water for a few days. But was missing for 6 days. And that's just one case that is strange. There are many more...... So please be careful when you are out late at night and NEVER put yourself in the position where you are by yourself, Even for a minute because that is all it takes for something bad to happen. There is now some private investigators on these cases. Hopefully we can find out what is happening to these bright young men who all had such great futures ahead.

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After you do some investigating into the men winding up dead in the Muddy River. Their lives were no less valuable than anybody else's.

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These recent cases are in this book - and it is a terrifying insight into who might be doing this.I do think there is something very bad happening here. I wish Law enforcement were looking into it
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Water-Forever-Awake-Unexplained/dp/1530467314...

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Just stop it now.

There is video of him walking on the railroad bridge over the Charles. Alone. His body was found in the Charles. There was no sign of foul play.

How about working on how bodies of homeless guys keep on getting fished out of Fort Point Channel. I'm not saying that something fishy is going on, except that people like you selectively ignore them with your crackpot theories.

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