And violate state regulations on polling places, which bar electioneering inside a polling place, such as, oh, we don't know, two well known elected officials well known for supporting a particular candidate not just shaking hands outside a polling place but going inside and greeting people and stuff.
First, MassLive reports from West Roxbury's Holy Name School, where candidates and supporters always show up - but usually stay outside:
Clinton walked inside the polling place, escorted by Walsh and West Roxbury Mayor Richie Gormley. He stopped at a bake sale near the entrance and bought a cup of coffee.
When one woman asked for a photo inside the polling place, Clinton said, "As long as we're not violating any election laws," and posed. Clinton waved, saluted and gave thumbs up to voters and volunteers.
Ed note: Gormley is the honorary lord mayor of West Roxbury, not the actual mayor, since West Roxbury's just a neighborhood, not a city.
Adam Reilly points us to elections regulations from the Secretary of State's office:
Within 150 feet of a polling place as defined in 950 CMR 53.03(18)(c), no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election.
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this sort of cowardly stuff
By Scumquistador
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 5:37pm
is why these laws exist to begin with. too bad about the lack of enforcement
It's not like they are
By chaosjake
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 5:45pm
It's not like they are actually trying to stop people from voting (I don't think), they're just waaaaay too aggressive about their chosen candidates. At the point where you're physically blocking the only entrance to a polling place, you've gone too far. In 2013, the crowd included two BPD detectives I personally knew, a City Council candidate, and a mayoral candidate's mother.
I would lie to see their reaction
By anon
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:35am
If you remind them that they need to be 150 ft away from the entrance. And neighbors or not, I think it's appropriate to shove your way past them, sharp elbows and all.
By the way... We both clearly
By chaosjake
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 8:34pm
By the way... We both clearly had time to kill today and commented on the same stuff. If I ever run into you, the first round is on me.
why
By Malcolm Tucker
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 3:27pm
What is Bill still doing here?
You have to ask?
By lbb
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 10:40am
He's using every dirty trick he can think of to get his wife elected. More crony-capitalist gravy train for him. Duh.
that really isnt fair.
By Scumquistador
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 12:37pm
most of the dirty tricks he's been involved with weren't named Clinton
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt
Electioneering
By Nate
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 3:35pm
I have literally been accosted with a candidate's pamphlet every single time I have voted in Boston or Brookline. State Senators, City Councilors, and everything else. That is actual electioneering, and happens at every local polling place in my experience (and my friends' experiences according to discussions today).
While it's potentially bad publicity, someone physically entering a polling place is not electioneering unless they perform an action that can be defined as electioneering. How else would politicians or politically active celebrities vote?
But...
By bohemka
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 4:05pm
Bill obviously isn't registered to vote here. His presence at the polling site wasn't for the bake sale. Taking photos with voters inside the polling site? Ridiculous.
The ADA required passenger
By Blurple
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 6:49pm
The ADA required passenger drop off point and accessible parking spaces required by federal law appeared to be blocked by the rally affecting elderly and disabled voters. The mayor who thought this was OK needs a reprimand and disabled voters should think about who cares most about their concerns.
rats
By Ishmael Jones
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 3:39pm
If it was old fatty Bill Clinton I could have made a joke that the bake sale should have been outside, but slim Bill only went for a coffee.
Former President Clinton was merely
By bulgingbuick
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 4:23pm
showing his love for America as a Patriot and as a freedom loving Christian. His presence has irked some fake patriots and anti-American zealots. They covet his Americanism and lack his exceptionalism. How pathetic.
This
By Scumquistador
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 6:46am
But unironically
If he had stayed outside and
By Dot
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 4:27pm
If he had stayed outside and made a scene, then fine. He crossed the line because he campaigns for her and he was talking to voters while they were in the polling area. Who cares who you gave your vote to or whether he was a previous president, he shouldn't have been within 150' of the polls.
I was there. I never heard
By ozzie73
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 10:09pm
I was there. I never heard him even say Hilary's name. He was shaking hands with people. A lot of them were saying they were voting for Hilary, and he was just saying "Thank you very much". He was toeing the line but nothing he did was technically illegal.
Sounds like electioneering to me. Isn't that...
By anon
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 4:30pm
Voter fraud? Can't campaign within 150 feet of a polling place.
Fraud? Not really unless he
By R Hookup
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 2:53pm
Fraud? Not really unless he cast a vote or stopped someone from voting.
Against the rules? Certainly possible.
Not the same thing.
The New York Times takes note
By adamg
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 5:06pm
Bill Clinton Gets a Little Too Close to Voters in Boston:
New Bedford?
By Kaz
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 5:33pm
It seems Bill made an appearance in New Bedford as well and in doing so, caused Secret Service, etc. to close off the street in such a way as to prevent people from reaching the polling location...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwa2vSqKPHY
https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/48i8q3/bi...
What is the violation?
By raz611
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 5:45pm
I don't think their presence alone is enough to be considered "soliciting votes". They were not talking up Hillary or holding sines. If they were, that would clearly be against the law, but a well-known person walking into a polling place is not enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch
By Joe Blow
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 6:23pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLPq5gV7kXY
>From the supposed uploader, /u/daphrijal:
It wasn't just this polling station, it was about 3 different ones in New Bedford. His appearances locked down each voting site for a couple of hours each. What happened was that they plopped down their event pretty much right in front of the entrance and then barricaded it off with lots of security. This took place at the Normandin Middle School, Dottin Place and Taber Mills community house. I originally went to cast my vote at Normandin at around 9 am. A Bill Clinton and Jon Mitchell event took place pretty much right in the parking lot. As I approached the school, I was told I had to wait behind the barricade and am not allowed to vote at this time. Security guy told me to come back later. I went back an hour later and the event was still there and people were still not allowed to vote. Friends of mine confirmed that they staged similar events in those other two polling stations. I was busy so I have still not casted my vote and I don't think I will now because it's too much hassle to go out again.
What's his business there?
By lbb
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:13am
You get to enter an election place if you have legitimate business there. Bill Clinton does not vote in Massachusetts.
Can somebody explain
By Rob
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 6:04pm
Can somebody explain something for me?
I've asked several people this (two questions, actually) over the years and nobody I've asked has ever been sure of the answer.
Looking at the actual polling place experience:
1. How is it that in liberal bastion Massachusetts, where I'm fairly confident that a majority decries votor ID laws in other states as racist, obstructionist, etc... they make it so #%&Q(Q#& difficult to stay on the rolls? I've been in this neighborhood in Boston for years now and I don't think I've ever had trouble. My wife, however... if she misses the primary election for dog-catcher one year, bam - she's off the book for the general election! I thought it was because we are often very spotty on returning our annual city census form in a timely manner (I don't think that's a good reason, but I would grudgingly understand if that was on the books), but when I asked a representative at the Secretary of State's office I was informed that this is NOT the case. The only way absence should result in somebody being dropped is if they miss two presidential elections in a row.
2. As a companion to #1 - What is the deal with uniformed, armed police working the polling place? Working not security, but at the tables where they check your name against the rolls? Again - if this were done in some state where votor ID laws were passed against votor fraud, people would be screaming against intimidation of poor, oppressed minorities, etc...!
Well
By Scumquistador
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 6:45am
It seems like your post is screaming about all the things that you say nobody is screaming about. Thank you.
Now, if you would scream for some ice, we could turn this super Tuesday into a super sundae.
Your beef is with your city/town
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 10:05pm
Different clerks make different calls about what they do to maintain the rolls. Some use the census, others will take you off if you don't vote in a couple of elections, etc. Ours will let you vote if you've been dropped if you can present a photo ID with your address. My younger son brought his ID since they sometimes ask for ID with first-time voters and recently-moved voters.
My city does not have uniformed police officers handing out ballots, either. Nor does my MIL's, because she's the one handing out ballots.
Last one in the polling place
By anonNorth
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 6:05pm
Last one in the polling place from the family, noticed my wife checked R, think she must not want Trump. I pull a D to make sure Bernie gets in instead of cHillary. I get home and my daughter tells me one of her teachers pulled an R to make sure Trump doesn't get in either. I think they're going to have to start giving us multiple ballots so we can get one in for the one we want and our blocking strategy.
I feel like an idiot
By Scumquistador
Tue, 03/01/2016 - 9:09pm
I simply voted for the people I wanted
Uh,
By bosguy22
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:04am
Well, what about 2 for the one you want, 1 for the one you don't want, maybe 3 dealers choice. 1 person, 1 vote. well, kinda.
Evidence?
By Steve Stein
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 8:20am
Is there any evidence that President Clinton or Walsh expressed support for Hillary while inside the polling place? This story provides none. No report of the incident I've heard says they were "electioneering". But right there in the lede - Clinton breaks the law.
The Clinton rules are still in effect. Shame on you, Adam.
He made a bloody damn speech
By lbb
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:15am
He didn't just stand there with an angelic look on his face, he made a bloody damn speech in supporting Hillary while standing within the line that marks the limit of electioneering, and beyond which other people who were electioneering were standing. It's a clear violation.
agreed
By Scumquistador
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:24am
he should have been arrested, or forcefully removed, but alas, some people just get special treatment.
No person shall promote any political party
By Adam Pieniazek
Wed, 03/02/2016 - 9:19am
As an independent un-enrolled voted it is disturbing to see Bill Clinton and Marty Walsh allowed to promote the Democratic party inside a polling station which is a clear violation of:
"(d) Activities at Polling Place. Within 150 feet of a polling place as defined in 950 CMR 53.03(18)(c), no person shall solicit votes for or against, or otherwise promote or oppose, any person or political party or position on a ballot question, to be voted on at the current election."
Posing for a photograph with a political party's ballot is absolutely promotion of that political party. I've sent an email to the Secretary of the Commonwealth and encourage anyone else who thinks we should maintain absolute neutrality of polling stations to do the same.
An no campaign ever does that
By Oliver
Thu, 03/03/2016 - 9:19pm
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Let's examine that.
Campaigns send their sign holders to polling places all the time and never give them training as to exactly what the law is. They create a gauntlet that makes it hard for people to vote. Eventually someone complains and you, the City Election Worker, has to go out to tell them to move from the door and follow that very law as quoted.
You are then greeted by a Neanderthal that gets in your face tells you to go F_off. Yes... I have experienced that. After that, the police are called and they move everyone back to the 150 ft limit. That lasts all of about 30-60 minutes if that and they eventually gravitate back figuring the police have better things to do, and after all... no one is going to stop them from shoving {shit} in people's faces and making it hard for them to even get inside to vote without being accosted.
I've seen it happen and in nice neighborhoods.
For what its worth, local politicians are the biggest offenders and they should know better. In fact I watched Angela Menino stand right in front of a polling place door the last time Tommy ran. No one could get by her without her saying hello and to vote for Tommy.
So while everyone has their skivvies in a knot about Bill Clinton, they only need to look at their very own state reps, senators, and city councilors for the worst offenders - or at least their campaign workers are. But the candidates need to take responsibility for their actions. They don't.
There should be a mandatory training session given to all of them and stiffer penalties.
Clinton never went inside. He remained outside along with the rest of the campaign workers who congregated there because of all the press coverage. Ch 5 was set up there from the night before even. He did nothing worse that the very people you all voted for - or their appointed reps holding signs, of shoving pamphlets in your face.
If it bothers you that much, make sure that you tell these people to move back 150 feet every time you go to vote. Your next shot will be in September at the state primary and in November at the general election.
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