South Boston Today reports that faced with continued losses in court, the developer who wanted to turn the Gate of Heaven school on East 4 Street into 31 condos has given up and not renewed his purchase-and-sale agreement with the Archdiocese of Boston.
Neighbors who have fought the plan say the archdiocese should look at alternative educational uses, such as renting or selling the building to a charter school.
Neighborhoods:
Topics:
Free tagging:
Like the job UHub is doing? Consider a contribution. Thanks!
Ad:
Comments
"Not as easily as before."
By eherot
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 9:41pm
"Not as easily as before."
Why not? What's so special about the development we have now that it can't be changed again?
"Not all of them, some just won't move here, and the region has plenty of demand at the current level."
Err, what? This doesn't make any sense. Obviously it's only the ones that ARE going to move here that we'll be bidding against, but there appear to be plenty of them.
Constructions costs are
By anon
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 10:25pm
Constructions costs are higher, there is less land, and the infrastructure isn't easy to expand.
There is not enough room to easily accommodate all demand and the region doesn't need to because other regions can grow as well.
Come On
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 5:00am
There's 9 20 something-year olds in the three decker next to me and every one of them owns their own car. I understand there's a lot of people moving into Southie that commute to work on the T, but for every person that takes bus, train, bike, or whatever to work, there's probably twice as many people that drive. Nevermind the ones who own cars that are only moved once a week for street cleaning.
And spare me with the "if you live in Southie there's no reason to have a car" bullshit. Yeah, because I'm going to take a zipcar to work everyday outside of the city.. that seems like a viable option. As much as people hate it, there's still blue collar families that live here who need their cars to get to and from work. That's probably not going to change for awhile until Southie becomes God knows what it's doomed for. And when I say that, no I don't mean SoBo you ingrates.
A 20-something who chooses to live
By Sally
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 6:59am
in South Boston but still owns a car (and literally--one per person?) is a half-wit. Half the point of living in a city is so you DON'T need a car and you can get easily to points A, B, and C without sitting in traffic or yes--circling the block looking for legal parking (though hey--at least the tow lots are near by). If you work in Lexington but live in South Boston, you probably need to rethink your plans.
Thanks Sally
By Arthur
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:51am
Then we have Sally, another out-of-towner with all the answers, telling lifelong residents where and how they should live. Poster child for those who hate yuppies.
Your obsession with
By me
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 9:53am
being a lifetime resident of Southie, is boring. No one cares anymore.
Yep,
By SoBo-Yuppie
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:12pm
If anything...being a lifelong resident kinda makes your opinion invalid. Chances are you've never traveled west of 128 and probably haven't experienced the rest of america, let alone the world.
I like to hear from people that have lived in other neighborhoods, states and countries. They usually have a better opinion.
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
There's little reason to move
By anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 9:49pm
There's little reason to move long term from an area that's already desirable. That's why a lot of people stay here. By traveling they would learn how much more where they originally lived offers.
The reason so many transplants move here is because this region offers more than most others. It's those that move here who had more of a reason to leave. This region offers those that started here a lot more in many benchmarks.
How is that relevant?
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 10:01pm
Never said anything about being a life long Southie resident being "cool". But at the end of the day, you read my mind, I'm glad I'm from here opposed to Sudbury.
you do realie
By zetag
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 10:05am
You got 2000 signatures against this in neighborhood of like 35,000. Hate us all you want but you're in the minority now, and that building will never be a school again.
Long live SoBo
You won't be here long
By Arthur
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 11:35am
The upside is a blow-in like you won't be here long. You'll meet your future ex-husband on Tinder, hang around Stats for a few years and you'll be on your way.
No
By zetag
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 12:15pm
I'll wait until you can no longer afford the taxes on the house you inherited and then buy that.
Nope, because they can just
By different anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:18pm
Nope, because they can just rent out the upper level or lower level for very high rents.
No, you'll just rent for a
By anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:25pm
No, you'll just rent for a few years then move back to the area you came from, and you will buy only if you can outbid others and hand over a huge pile of money for the chance to live in the neighborhood you have some resentment of.
You won't be here long...
By SoBo-Yuppie
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:17pm
....that post is so 2005. its 2016. there are plenty of yuppies laying down roots here.
just take a stroll on east broadway on a weekend morning.
The SoBo Revolution is almost complete.
No yuppies ever lay down roots in South Boston.
By Pete Nice
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 9:50am
99% of them sell their 800K condo/townhouse bought in 2005 for 1.6 million now, and buy a 2.2 million dollar house in Weston or Duxbury.
The other 1% get cut off by their parents and have to stay in Southie because they don't have a choice (they want to move out).
Most of them are just renters
By anon
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 11:46am
Most of them are just renters.
Hmmm
By me
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 1:15pm
Really. Please ID the condos going for $800K in 2005. Or the ones going for $1.6 MM. YOu are confusing southie with the South End.
Not condos so much, but multi families?
By Pete Nice
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:07am
Yes. Those price ranges are pretty accurate.
Yuppies don't usually live in the smaller 1750 sq.ft or less condos in Southfield, they bought the larger 2 families.
Fake wanna bee yuppies like the one who posts on this site live in smaller condos, only because they couldn't afford the larger ones (hence the wanna be tag). Price is never an issue for real yuppies.
Most of them just rent before
By anon
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:34am
Most of them just rent before leaving.
99%??
By SoBo-Yuppie
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 2:42pm
Can you show us the poll you took??
In my condo building and on my street there are dozens of yuppie families and they own their places and they send their kids to schools around the area.
2005 is over.
Fake yuppies so-bo
By Pete Nice
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:05am
You don't even know what a yuppie is. And no, they don't go to the Boston public schools.
What kind of car do you drive so-bo. South Boston yuppies always had 2 parking spaces, but not always had 2 cars.
Yes. They go to public schools.
By SoBo-Yuppie
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 12:21pm
We know several families well. My European GF has even babysat for them a few times.
They do go to Boston Public Schools....honestly, wake up. It's 2016. not 1995 or 2005.
Forget about south Boston.
By Pete Nice
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 1:36pm
Yuppies in Brookline, Newton and (insert wealthy town here) send their kids to the Park school, Dexter-Southfield, or Dedham Counrty day or Windsor.
Your friends who go to public schools aren't yuppies, that was part of my point.
oh trust me....
By SoBo-Yuppie
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 3:19pm
...they are yuppies in every sense of the word.
Ah yes
By bosguy22
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 9:07am
The 1% trust funders....they're definitely flocking to southie over back bay, beacon hill, etc. Just limo after limo cruising down Broadway. News flash, one does not need a trust fund to purchase a condo and a decent car if they save, work hard, and make some solid investments.
Most do not end up owning
By anon
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:29pm
Most do not end up owning before they leave.
So sheltered...
By SoBo-Yuppie
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 12:19pm
1%? LOL. people with trust funds aren't even thinking about Boston, let alone South Boston. they live in world class cities like LA, London, Singapore, Zurich, NYC..etc. but boston is slowly getting there...hopefully in the next 10-15 years.
I guess when you are so sheltered anyone that dresses half way decent and sounds half way intelligent is considered a 1%er.
Minority or not
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 12:57pm
I'm not going anywhere. And for you to think you're a "Southie person" is literally laugh out loud funny. You'll be living in Saugus before you know it. Troll the Southie UHub page harder for me, you can't.
Is it still trolling if it's true?
By zetag
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 1:05pm
I've lived here for a while now and like it or not my voice counts just as much as yours. No one really cares where you were born. Actually now that I think about it, I'd be ashamed to tell people I was born in southie 30 years ago, they'd probably assume I was born with fetal alcohol syndrome.
?
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 2:25pm
For whatever reason you seem to think that all people who grew up here want to have supreme rule over the town. I wouldn't say thats the case for most people. I just think people who moved in here 5 years ago saying take the train to work are ignorant, entitled pricks. But i digress..
You forgot
By zetag
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 2:34pm
That we also said you could buy a house with a driveway or garage. Funny you should talk about entitled when you are in favor or keeping the housing supply low so that you can park your car for free on the street.
You're partially right
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 3:03pm
Does it make me entitled to think I should be able to park on the street? Maybe. Would I be willing to pay for street parking even though I don't necessarily agree with it? Absolutely.
Would you be willing to pay
By eherot
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 5:27pm
Would you be willing to pay the approximate market rate of ~$1500/year for the privilege?
It's pretty unfortunate that's what it has come to
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 7:36pm
But yeah I would rather than move elsewhere.
Douche comments
By anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 9:39pm
Your douche comments make it more difficult for us nembies who moved here and want to be part of this community. I like my long time Southie neighbor's. I don't try to be a tough guy by wearing a scaly cap and think I can change the neighborhood I moved to.
A voice that is well
By anon
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:43am
A voice that is well integrated into a community has more influence than one that is more recent.
Nice
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 12:44pm
Sally you're delusional. So according to your logic somebody raising their family working in the trades should consider living elsewhere because they don't work downtown or somewhere T accessible everyday. Some people have to go to where the work is lady, and they have every right to stay put without the parking fiasco becoming any worse.
"Some people have to go to
By eherot
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 1:24pm
"Some people have to go to where the work is lady, and they have every right to stay put without the parking fiasco becoming any worse."
So their "right" to free and easy parking is more important than my "right" to cheap and transit-accessible housing?
Parking
By zetag
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 1:34pm
Buy a house with a garage or assigned spot if parking is such a critical part of your life. Pretty simple. Or we could consider a pay to park system. $1000 per year for a resident sticker would probably clear out a few underused vehicles.
The one who's delusional
By Sally
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 1:50pm
is the person who sits in traffic complaining about...traffic. Or who thinks that we can just continue on the path we're on--keep designing out city and our lives as if everyone can magically drive everywhere from everywhere with no consequences--hey! Free parking for everyone! No traffic, ever! Honestly--how do you think this is going to work exactly?
Oh waaaahhhh.
By Sally
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 1:46pm
My grandfather was born and raised in South Boston and did the swim to Boston Light from the L St. bathhouse in his youth. Not that I'm not profoundly grateful he chose to move out instead of raise his family there. Sorry not sorry. But really--I don't care what you do. Keep selling properties to yuppies, then complain about said yuppies. Keep getting in your big-ass car to drive three blocks to get cigarettes and then complain about traffic and parking.
You're a biker aren't you
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 2:35pm
Please continue with your over embellished satire. Bash the older generation who grew up here that actually have a little pride where they came from (ready for the "yeah, I would of loved to grow up a drunk, racist, bigot too" comments). You've lived here for a decade tops get over yourself. I've accepted the fact I can't move my car after 6pm unless I don't mind parking down the beach and I'm fine with that. There's just no reason to make matters worse by adding 31 unit condos with terrible parking plans.
"There's just no reason to
By eherot
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 5:28pm
"There's just no reason to make matters worse by adding 31 unit condos with terrible parking plans."
What about the housing shortage? Is that not reason enough?
There isn't going to be
By anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 5:39pm
There isn't going to be enough housing for everyone that wants to live in one of the most desirable regions of the country at an affordable level, because the region can't accommodate large scale growth and non localized demand easily.
Move to Dot
By SouthieLocal
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 8:44pm
Rents aren't completely out of control yet in some parts and it's obviously far bigger than Southie.
And don't forget ....
By Sunny Beach
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 6:47pm
....to double park when getting your cigarettes and dunkin donuts coffee!
On the flip side, if you work
By eherot
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 10:36am
On the flip side, if you work in the seaport or Fort Point, and you don't want to drive to work because parking is expensive and scarce, and traffic is horrendous, Southie is a very attractive place to live. Given the huge amounts of commercial real estate coming online in the seaport over the next few years, wouldn't it make sense to build the kind of housing that would mainly accommodate the people who are going to work there rather than the ones who are going to drive on the already congested streets?
South Boston
By plt3012
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 7:42am
It's good to see the South Boston haters out there. Let the bashing continue!
Uhub haters
By anon
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 8:51am
Post here and don't know what they are talking about. There's a very long history behind this story, which I'm not going to get into. The Archdioces lying, the developer not being honest, a lawsuit the neighborhood association was going to win etc. So keep bashing Southie you bigots.
Level the lot, put up a fence
By anon
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 11:35am
Level the lot, put up a fence, leave it like that forever. No condos, no parking, no vacant buildings, no problems!
And for God's sake...
By Sunny Beach
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 6:50pm
..PAVE that sunuvabitch...we don't want any greenspace !
oh southie
By Just Sayin'
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 1:51am
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families (of the 31 potential condo buyers who will now have to look elsewhere). ;)
they won't be looking elsshwere
By SoBo-Yuppie
Sun, 06/12/2016 - 2:45pm
they will be looking right here in SoBo....which means higher demand for the small supply of housing...which means my condo's price is going up!
We need solutions, not more complaining.
By Sorta Newbee
Tue, 06/14/2016 - 11:23am
I know this article is about condos, but like everything in Southie it always boils down to parking.
I am relatively new to Southie. Parking can be difficult, everyone knows this. What I don't understand is the refusal to change the status quo with respect to resident parking permits. We (the residents of Southie and the City) keep the same parking system in place and then complain that things aren't improving. Unless we try something new, the parking crisis will not improve. As the cliche goes, insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result.
One possible way to improve parking is to discourage people from getting a parking permit. The City could try limiting the number of permits per address, or the City could charge increasing amounts for additional permits (or some combination of the two). Regardless, complaining isn't going to make things better. The only way to make things better is to try doing things a little differently. If the changes don't work, try something new.
Pages
Add comment