Ted Busiek is a Republican running for the Middlesex and Worcester state-senate seat now held by Jamie Eldridge (and once held by Paul Cellucci). Today, he tweeted:
DONALD TRUMP. Putting self-righteous faggots in their place since 1993. How I love this fellow.#MAGA https://t.co/wqCxfa4pI2
— Ted Busiek (@TedBusiek) July 2, 2016
And then doubled down with:
Just imagine what an unsafe world we'd live in if not for the language police to tell us what words we can't say. https://t.co/k7xurz3aOe
— Ted Busiek (@TedBusiek) July 2, 2016
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Sorry, but if the angry old white people who clearly
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:03pm
made up the bulk of the Tea Party early on were purely deficit and debt hawks, they had plenty to squawk about for years before 2008. But suddenly, the month Obama was inaugurated, before he had a chance to make a single policy decision. out they sprang. Do you really find it so difficult to connect those dots?
Yeah, I do
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:50pm
Because it wasn't the first, nor will it be the last time that the fiscal hawks remained politely quiet while the Republicans were in power only to come out of the woodwork, as it were, when their party isn't in charge anymore. Call it hypocrisy if you like (I certainly do), but don't call it racism just because the guy in the oval office isn't white.
Certainly the GOP party elites demonstrate that kind of .
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 5:34pm
naked hypocrisy: ask Dick "Deficits don't matter" Cheney. But the rank-and-file angry old white people who came out to those early Tea Party rallies, with their clearly racist signage? I don't ascribe the same sophistication to their motives that you do.
Regardless, you're still pretending that the GOP hasn't been playing dog-whistle racist politics since the Civil Rights era, and that is clearly patently false. The only difference between Trump and every GOP leader since the LBJ administration is that Trump has dropped the whistle.
What racist signage?
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:07pm
The made-up kind? Or the one that says "I disagree" which is clearly racist if a white man says it to black man?
TROLL
By John-W
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 8:45pm
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just checking
By John-W
Tue, 07/05/2016 - 11:17pm
what happens when you reply and it's gotten down to one letter per line already?
Conspiracy
By Suldog
Wed, 07/06/2016 - 1:45pm
This reply is now right wing. It's a conspiracy!
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
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By John-W
Wed, 07/06/2016 - 5:36pm
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Still in denial ? We all see what you did there.
By anon
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 2:49pm
It's only "charges of racism", because there is no real racism in the Republican Party. Right.
MA has the best test scores
By Kinopio
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:13pm
MA has the best test scores and wages in the country. The least educated and poorest states are MS, WV, AL, LA, KS, etc. All red as hell and all shitholes. I'm perfectly happy being in a democratic run state because I like being literate and not having type 2 diabetes.
WV is blue
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:56pm
And MA also has the third highest cost of living after NY and CA. And ranks quite low on govt transparency. Keep on enjoying the echo chamber, though.
Edit: Oh yeah. Now that I recall, two Speakers in a row convicted of corruption and a third one who willed away the term limits for the post. And a state senate president whose brother...well you know.
Compare to, say, my home state of PA where the (Republican) president of the senate got primaried and lost his job for voting himself a pay raise.
WV is blue? Funny, but it voted W, W, McCain and
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:19pm
Romney in the last four Presidential elections. Governor: D, AG: R, both houses of the state legislature: R, US Senators, 1xD, 1xR, US Reps, 3xR. That doesn't seem very blue to me.
Yeah, if you want high quality of life from public services, it comes at a tax cost. There's no free lunch. But MA ranks 31st of 50 states on tax burden. Our high cost of living is driven more by our relatively thriving economy, how desirable it is to live here, not our tax rates.
Sure, you could live a lot cheaper in Fort Wayne or Tucson or Boise, but then you'd have to live in Fort Wayne, Tucson, or Boise.
OK not bright blue
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:33pm
but not deep red either.
And who said anything about tax burden? I did say (on several other threads) that the roads suck, and tax dollars aren't being spent wisely as evidenced by said disrepair, but I said absolutely nothing about taxes being too high.
But now that you mention it, the centralization of revenue collection as disbursement as "local aid" is also an easy mechanism for corruption and abuse of power.
Also, snob much?
My job has taken me all over the USA, including many places
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:58pm
you presumably envy for their low cost of living. You can have them.
I suppose Boston isn't for everyone, but I've lived here for 30 years, high cost of living and tough winters and corrupt State House speakers and all, and there aren't many places in the States I'd trade it for.
And why exactly were you going on about red and blue states and cost of living if not to correlate the two somehow? If not tax burden, how else do you connect our political makeup to cost of living? I think we're among the lowest dozen or so states in unemployment. Our big growth drivers, tech biotech and healthcare, are thriving. We ranked in the top 20 business-friendliest states.
Feel free to move to Idaho for its low, low cost of living. I'm happy paying for high quality of life here.
You're just looking to change the subject
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 10:42pm
The topic of conversation was the less-than-robust and less-than-responsive government in Mass, which lurches from silly scandal (Olympics, F1) to not-so-silly scandal (DCF, Annie Dookhan). The fact that a whole bunch of smart people live here and a whole bunch of profitable corporations are headquartered here doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that this is a single-party state with the aforementioned objective deficiencies.
You're the one who turned the discussion to how well-ranked we are on education and tax burden (which you will note I did not dispute).
I guess I'm not clear on your point.
By MC Slim JB
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 3:50am
You seem to be trying to connect blueness with awfulness in terms of quality of life. I think that's ridiculous, based on my own anecdotal experience of living in MA, seeing a lot of the rest of the US, and citing a lot of third-party indicators that suggest that quality of life in the Commonwealth outperforms 80% of the rest of the country.
If it sucks so bad here, why aren't you moving to Indiana, or some other imagined paradise where you don't have to pay taxes for public services, and state and local politicians aren't somehow corrupt? Let me know what state that is, and how that works out for you when you get there.
My point is that Mass isn't a worker's paradise either
By Roman
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 1:09pm
and that despite all the good, there are some glaring deficiencies in governance that you libs just want to pretend don't exist. And my claim is that what is essentially a one-party political system is less apt to respond to and remediate those problems than a balanced two-or-more party system is.
Roads I've talked about before. In this case, I claim that a state with a healthy major party opposition would not have an utter nut like this guy running for office on the ticket of that major party.
worker's paradise? change the MA house
By Chris Lynch
Tue, 07/05/2016 - 2:20pm
What have Republicans done for workers?
Right to work means you can work in a union shop and not pay membership dues or even agency fees-- you can freeload, benefit from higher wages and better benefits and not pay the union whose negotiations won them. Nobody can afford to work for free. Right to work is a cynical attempt to defund unions. Republicans do it for politics but the victims are workers.
Remove the right to collectively bargain and limit raises to less than or equal to inflation for public workers. Scott Walker passed this with Act 10.
US Senators opposing workers voting to unionize a VW plant in Chattanooga. VW wanted a union and a work council. They believe labor should be at the table with management to discuss strategy to meet goals. Germany has the most robust economy in Europe.
List Republican proposals to address income inequality.
Any? Bueller? Bueller?
Federally funded research, like the kind that produced the Internet (DOD) and Velcro (NASA) has been cut back to pre WWII levels.
GOP policy is formed almost exclusively by the self-interest of the richest Americans. Political science professors from Princeton and Northwestern have determined that public opinion has negligible influence on public policy, only the very rich who fund campaigns matter. This is called oligarchy. The Republican party enables it.
When DeLeo said he'd raise the min wage if we cut unemployment insurance workers spoke up loudly and said screw you, the unemployed shouldn't pay for low wage pay increase. The MA house is owned by the business lobby. If you want to make Mass a better place to work, you have to change the MA house.
Wow!
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 07/02/2016 - 10:04pm
This isn't just stupid burning, but stupid accomplishing nuclear fission!
Is he the same guy with the Obama/Pelosi truck with the expired tag?
We need to get some Scots on twitter to properly describe him.
Belligerent Cypher
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 07/02/2016 - 10:19pm
He doesn't mention any experience or qualifications anywhere that I could find on his web page. No idea where he works or has worked, what he does, etc.
Graduated from high school in
By Matt Frank
Sat, 07/02/2016 - 10:30pm
Graduated from high school in 2004 which puts him at around 30. He moved in 2006 to work for a Congressional candidate (turns out the candidate was anti gay, what a shock.) Looks like he spent some time in the military , some time in sales and is currently pursuing a degree.
http://acton.wickedlocal.com/article/20160329/NEWS...
Oh, I found that, too
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 07/02/2016 - 10:49pm
However, one would think that he would have worked that all into a coherent story line for his campaign web page.
I also don't get the pictures of Boston splashed around when I believe there are other landmarks in his own district to preen beside?
Oh, there certainly are
By perruptor
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:58am
Let's see ... there's the Town of Concord's water supply, Nagog Pond -- it's very scenic, but if you loiter near its shore, the police will interview you. Maybe they would pose for some photos with the candidate before hustling him off the property. Could bolster his Law n' Order cred, if he can keep the context quiet.
There's a town arboretum, but I suspect our candidate would try to avoid being associated with that. Some tree-huggers or flower children might spoil his photo op.
There's a nice Children's Museum, but that doesn't seem to resonate with the candidate's message.
The Kelly's Lanes bowling alley is popular for kid's birthday parties, but again, no real support for the agenda.
I guess a random photo of some Boston buildings is as good as anything for a background on his website.
Arabic Translator
By Irma la Douce
Sat, 07/02/2016 - 10:56pm
Worked as Arabic translator in Air Force, A.D. from Defense Language Institute. Currently studying electrical engineering at Merrimack College.
Sounds just like Hillary.
By Doug1001
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 2:32am
:-0
Can't believe he left out Volvo-driving,
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 12:39am
latte-swilling, quinoa-and-kale-horfing, NPR-donating, bike-lane-loving, and terrorist-coddling. I suppose one can blame the limits of Twitter. But at least he led with his risibly backward, playground-level homophobia.
Watching Trump supporters vent is clearly analogous to hearing post-Brexit chavs feel Free at Last to air their nastiest, most loathsome bigotry. That's instructive, useful.
Arugala-Eating
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:00pm
That's the one that's missing
Never heard of TFG before,
By Dave
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 12:52am
Never heard of TFG before, but be sure to ascribe his views to everyone who's voting against Milhous McPantsuit.
I liked the description of Hillary I saw
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 1:11am
somewhere online as the person in the office who is really good at her job but that no one invites to the happy hour after work.
I'll take the unlikable, highly competent, extravagantly experienced, and modestly corrupt candidate over the racist, vindictive, narcissistic sociopath who lacks the faintest grasp of macroeconomics, realpolitik, science, the Geneva Conventions, and the Constitution any day of the week.
I missed you...
By Doug1001
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 2:59am
Highly competent?!?!? Only modestly corrupt?!?!? I can't even reply to that...Your comments confirm what I've always thought about you and your contributions. You frighten me....Please seek help immediately. Please stick to your worthless food reviews if possible. Thanks in advance.
It's all relative, I guess.
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:50am
I suspect you and I share some of the same qualms about Hillary.
You may well contend that she is only modestly competent, only barely more qualified by experience than anyone else who has run for the job in the last twenty years, and maybe even speculate that she is extremely corrupt.
If your argument is that you would prefer a more pure alternative, I'm with you. But as grownups, we have to make a responsible choice between two less-than-savory alternatives, a douche and a turd. At the moment, that's our system: it's all we've got. Too bad it's a fallen world.
I'll even give Trump credit for being a successful businessman, even if it's obvious that his empire was built on getting a huge head start in life, repeatedly fucking over his investors, committing outright fraud, and puffing up an empty brand through canny media exploitation. It's the American way! (Of course if you really believed in his yuuge success, you'd be calling for him to release his tax returns. Funny how you're not doing that, sucker.)
Want to talk me into Trump over Hillary? You'll have to convince me that he's not a racist, vindictive, narcissistic sociopath who lacks the faintest grasp of macroeconomics, realpolitik, science, the Geneva Conventions, and the Constitution.
Go ahead. I'm listening.
Third option
By Stevil
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:50am
Others point to johnson weld above. Not perfect, but given a choice between the crackpot and the crook, I pick the other guy.
The Dems publicly aren't troubled by a potential indictment, but if it were such an open and shut non-case, I'd think tge FBI would long since be done with their investigation. Hard to run the country from jail.
If she skates, it'll be typical Clinton. On a technicality.
That's what I mean by "That's our system": that
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 11:23am
third-party candidates are so marginalized by our process that a vote for them ends up as a meaningless protest gesture, or worse, helps get the shittier of the two major-party alternatives elected (see Nader and W).
If W can skate on deleting five million emails, Hillary shouldn't get indicted for a private email server, either. It's a commonplace that pols at that level never pay the price that ordinary citizens would for flagrant misbehavior, as long as it doesn't involve getting caught "in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."
I think the FBI has already signaled that an indictment is likely not forthcoming. To my mind, that prospect was always a right-wing fantasy.
Not so sure
By Stevil
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 3:56pm
First, this is why we'll get either a crackpot or a crook as our next prez. Hillary is winning MA even if she's outfitted with a federally provided orange pantsuit.
As for an indictment, I doubt they'd be interviewing her for 3.5 hours if this were an easy case. If she escapes, it will be on a technicality. No question she wasbtrying to avoid FOIA laws. Thst was the intent. not a lawyer, but this reeks. She may be competent. She's also a total scumbag that will do ANYTHING to further her career.
If she gets elected and the Republicans control congress, they'll call politics and I think she'll be impeached 5 minutes after she takes the oath.
"Hillary gets indicted before the election. Hillary gets
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:11pm
impeached if she wins."
I think both of those are pipe-dreams. In the latter case, are they going to impeach the Democratic Vice-President, too?
No
By Stevil
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 10:19pm
But pay close attention to who the VP is. He/she could soon be your next prez.
I think a lot of Dems are underestimating the chance she's indicted - on more than one charge.
If I or one of my employees did what she did, we'd be fined out of existence by the government. A) she did it specifically to avoid public records laws and B) this was a HUGE potential security breach. If it was a slam dunk, this would have been dismissed a year ago. There's a reason she was interrogated for 3.5 hours yesterday. Could be just smoke and no fire. We'll see.
And that's before we even touch the Clinton foundation stuff which sounds even sketchier.
Hillary Clinton is the Democratic incarnation of Richard Nixon.
DIRN
I guess I should have put $50 behind my
By MC Slim JB
Tue, 07/05/2016 - 1:24pm
opinion that a Hillary indictment over the email server was a rightie pipe-dream.
Meanwhile, my wager on Scott Brown as Trump's VP pick is looking not-so-prescient. I suppose he can always sell dubious fitness supplements.
Trump tax returns
By Doug1001
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 4:08am
I'd like Hillary to release her Goldman transcripts or at least address that... And also address the sketchy as fuck contributors to her "foundation".... I don't know why his tax returns are such a hot button issue with liberals. What do you suspect it will show? There are a million reasons why I will vote for Trump, some of which are as follows: Hillary is one of the worst human beings of all time, the "establishment" on both sides are so against him because they're all deathly afraid that he will open all of the closet doors and the number of skeletons that will fall out will make your head spin... I hope he wins and exposes the massive fraud and lies and everything else by both sets of elite scumbags..... The entire system will be turned upside down, and this terrible system will be a thing of the past... We can then hopefully start anew and come up with a better system... A vote for Hillary is a vote for the crooked establishment scumbags and they all win again, and the 10000 existing scandals stay in the closet just like they want...
I'm well aware he's no angel. I'm not even a fan but she is so horrific and the establishment so badly doesn't want to be exposed that it's a no brainer....
Trump's tax returns are important for a few reasons.
By MC Slim JB
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 11:00am
1) First and foremost, it's a basic cost of doing business for major-party candidates, an essential exercise in transparency with the American citizenry. Trump would be the first to refuse to do so in fifty years. He has no excuse not to do so. The one he has offered ("I'm being audited") is bullshit; the IRS has already publicly stated that he can do so with no consequences to its investigation, and previous Presidents have done so despite being audited.
2) One of Trump's chief arguments for his candidacy is that he's a successful businessman, yet many sources (like Fortune magazine, which routinely compiles stats on the world's richest people) have challenged his assertions about his earnings, suggesting that he greatly exaggerates them. Releasing his tax returns would either put these questions to rest, or reveal that he indeed has been lying about the size of his fortune. (I think this is the real reason he is afraid to release them.)
3) It would also help settle questions about Trump and his charitable donations, which he appears to make a habit of lying about. He also appears to have violated tax laws in how he does it (Google Trump and Tebow's helmet). There was also that business earlier this year where he ducked a debate at Fox News, held a fund-raiser for veterans instead, but didn't live up to his promise to donate to it until the press embarrassed him into doing so. How do you feel about a rich candidate who dishonestly brags about his generosity to charity?
4) It is always instructive for voters to understand the mechanisms by which the very rich end up paying far lower tax rates than ordinary workers. Trump has bragged about this, too.
(I agree with you about Hillary and her speeches to Wall Street, by the way. She already released her tax returns.)
If you're a Trump supporter, you should be insisting that he live up to the same standards that every Presidential candidate since Nixon has. Or are you also afraid of what Trump's tax returns would reveal?
Fair points...
By Doug1001
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 12:17pm
I'm less of a Trump supporter and more just voting for him because Hillary is awful in every way. I don't know what the tax returns will show, I don't think there's a smoking gun in there like some do but who knows....You're probably right that he exaggerates his earnings, he tends to exaggerate things... Regardless, he is a successful businessman... You don't get to be as rich as he is by accident.
I'm pretty sure he already put the whole veterans benefit donations issue to rest. Most of the media attacks the guy and has done so since day one before he made any of his asinine comments, so I don't blame him for not cooperating with them at every turn....
I'll check the Tebow's helmet bit soon...how could he violate tax laws and the IRS hasn't called him on it yet? Again, your points are fine and I don't really care one way or another whether he releases them.... But if that's the norm he should release them like everyone else.
I don't think Hillary will do a damn thing if she's elected (except line her pockets and do favors for elites)...maybe he won't do anything either, but I'm going to be optimistic.
Come on dude
By Roman
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 1:04pm
Vote for Johnson. There's a happy medium between business as usual and swallowing a lit firecracker. This year, the closest thing to that happy medium is Johnson/Weld.
I get the idea of promoting third parties, but Johnson/Weld is
By MC Slim JB
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 2:03pm
problematic to me on a lot of the issues. Many Libertarian ideas strike me as nuts: complete deregulation of capitalism, moving away from public schooling, abandoning trying to manage climate change, repeal of the income tax, a completely free-market health care system, privatizing Social Security, no gun control in any form, etc. There's a naivete to a lot of these positions, a "bunch of college sophomores solving all the world's problems at 2am after ten bong hits" quality to them.
Meh
By Roman
Mon, 07/04/2016 - 2:13pm
Johnson and Weld have both been around the block enough to know the limitations of pure ideology. Like I said, I'm not voting for them because I drank all of the LP kool aide and want seconds, it's because they're the most experienced and responsible people running this year.
Everyone lies on their campaign platform specifics, so you have to vote on your estimation of people's judgment and high-level values. I looked over his platform when it became clear that Trump was going to win the nomination, and while I don't really think a national sales tax to replace the income tax makes that much sense (for instance), I can get on board with his philosophy of "have government be good at what it needs to do and no more."
We can disagree on the details, but that's not a bad way to frame the debate, is it?
Adam I have a serious
By anon
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 8:01am
Adam I have a serious question. When you post articles that are secretly written in a way that favors liberal minds, are you surprised when people with other opinions than you respond? I can tell it bothers you by the way you respond. So my question is are you surprised with such pushback or do you bait it so you can force a life lesson in liberal leftness down our throats?
Secretly written?
By adamg
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 9:06am
You've cracked my secret code fnord! Yes, of course, I sit here on my throne in Castle Grayskull plotting how I can force my evil lib-brul agenda down your throat as I twist your arm behind your back and make you read Universal Hub post after post. And it's working, mwahaha! fnord
Okay
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 10:26pm
You mean grammatically correct and well organized and reasoned posts with actual facts in them?
You tell 'em Swirly
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 10:36pm
Nothin's gonna set a fella straight like an out-of-the-blue snarky comment from an ordinarily cool, calm, just-the-facts type such as yourself. And I see it's getting later in the evening, meaning that your comments can only grow more subdued and lethargic as the night wears on. So this was a rare treat to see your sharp tongue on display. When will we have the honor of your seeing your next snarky post, the world wonders?
This guy Busiek
By anon
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 9:33am
Is a master troll. Now, if only he made a mean spirited comment about bicyclists, and endorsed Trump/Baker, we'd have a Uhub trifecta.
Anyone want to take my $50 that it's going to be Trump/Brown?
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 11:38am
I predict we're going to get that 500-comment field day on uHub when Scotty gets the veep nod. Trump needs someone who won't outshine him intellectually or in the truth-telling department, and that makes for a very short VP list, with Former Senator Himbo of the Uncertain Address at the very top.
Nope.
By anon
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 1:36pm
Trump/Sessions
I'll Take That Bet
By Suldog
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 1:45pm
I really don't believe there's a chance in hell Brown is Trump's VP candidate.
I don't know who it's going to be, but I can't see Brown.
By the way, I don't want your $50 if I win. I want you to promise to vote for Gary Johnson. Bet?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
I think the current favorites are Giant Albino Baby-Head
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 2:34pm
and the Belligerent Jersey Lap-Band, a/k/a Gingrich and Christie. I suspect Trump knows that a two-hideous-old-white-guys ticket is not a winning look.
It would also be classic Trump: choosing a running mate based on surface, not substance, a reality TV mogul's choice, not a thoughtful consideration of who would be most qualified to step into the Presidency if necessary.
I threw away a vote on a third-party candidate once; not gonna make that mistake again.
You sir, are part of the problem
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 3:58pm
It's not possible to "throw away" a vote any more than it is possible to "throw away" an opinion. No one has the monopoly on your mind or your vote. If you can stomach Johnson better than you can Hillary, you should vote for him.
Sorry, but I am no longer the kind of starry-eyed idealist
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:08pm
who believes that any third-party candidate has a ghost of a chance in 2016. I've seen what that lack of pragmatism has done before. I will not waste my vote on Johnson/Weld.
Then don't complain
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 4:52pm
when you get a nut or a party hack sworn in.
I think I already explained my calculus here.
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 5:18pm
Hillary has her issues, but Trump would clearly be a four-year shit hurricane. He doesn't grasp the fundamentals of how our government, economy, or the world works and is entirely incurious about learning, never mind the sociopathic bigot stuff.
Too bad it's a fallen world, instead of one where idiots on smartphones don't walk blindly into traffic, people STFU in movie theaters, and third-party candidates have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected.
Not Wasted
By Suldog
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 5:13pm
The electoral college system being what it is, your single vote will be a cipher in Massachusetts via a vote for either Clinton or Trump. Clinton will win the state whether you vote for her or not. Trump will lose the state whether you vote for him or not. Votes for a third party - especially in this year, where they will likely total 10+% - will at least register your dissatisfaction with the current system (as well as set up a third-party run in 2020 that may have a real chance of winning.)
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
That may be true in MA, but I don't want the Johnson/Weld
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 5:50pm
movement to get any traction, as I deem it likelier to hurt Hillary than Trump. I see at least two serious issues that could get Trump elected: one is complacency on the part of liberals, who think that Clinton's strong polling from sources like Nate Silver lets them feel safe about staying home on Election Day. (I don't trust the polls: I think there are a ton of closet Trump supporters out there who are embarrassed to admit they're voting for him.)
Another is that Johnson/Weld could siphon off just enough votes from Hillary, say, from disaffected Bernie supporters, to give Trump the edge he needs, a repeat of W/Gore/Nader.
I'm not interested in registering a protest vote in hopes of building credibility for a third-party option in 2020, as I honestly don't believe our system supports their viability as anything but spoilers. I'm worried first and foremost about who gets to fill those two or three pending Supreme Court vacancies.
Huh?
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 5:58pm
How does one go from Bernie to Johnson exactly? My understanding of leftie logic is admittedly thin, but I'd assumed the Sanderistas would be voting for DOCTOR Jill Stein.
FTFY
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:31pm
Clever
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:35pm
Now be honest, that just made your week, didn't it?
Plenty of socially liberal ideas in the Libertarian platform to
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:37pm
appeal to Sanders supporters, despite the obvious problems with the rest of the platform. You may be right, maybe more will vote for Stein, but this is just another example of the third-party problem as I see it.
Do you think Johnson / Weld is more likely to attract Republican voters who can't bring themselves to support Trump? Seems like the social and anti-interventionist facets of the Libertarian agenda would be repugnant to many of them.
Exactly
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 6:54pm
I checked Johnson out last time, if only because I knew that Obama had a lock on Massachusetts and third-party voting can help certify additional parties in this state.
Honestly, yes
By Roman
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:38pm
I do. I also think you overestimate the right's appetite for war and underestimate Hillary's appetite for intervention.
I'm not interested in
By Suldog
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 7:43pm
The system doesn't support their viability because people such as yourself refuse to grant them that viability. You fulfill your own prophecy.
Understood that you may want a different option than Johnson/Weld. That's certainly your choice to make. But your logic concerning third parties in general is faulty. There is no logical reason for a third party to not become successful other than the ingrained pessimism and illogical actions of voters who refuse to buck the system because they believe - mistakenly - that the system cannot be bucked.
If the system cannot be bucked, we are screwed no matter for whom we vote. Do you believe that? If so, then why vote at all?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Maybe a third party could somehow climb into relevance,
By MC Slim JB
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 8:11pm
building up the requisite fund-raising and infrastructure and grassroots power base. Would that be a good thing? I suppose it would have to be; it couldn't be worse, could it? The problem is getting from here to there.
I'm not willing to support that move today because I believe giving momentum to a third-party candidacy in 2016 will help get Trump elected. Talk to me in 2020; not this year.
You conflate state with national votes
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 10:33pm
There isn't much chance at all that Trump will win MA. That's all that you really need to know.
The electoral college system makes it work that way - winning MA by a large margin doesn't offset close vote tallies elsewhere. That extra 20% in MA is not going to swamp voter preferences in Idaho.
If it looks like a decisive win for Candidate A in MA, and I don't really like candidate A but despise Candidate B, I might look to vote for Candidate C in order to make sure that they get the 5% that they need to kick them over the top.
In other words, my vote for Nader didn't matter because Gore won MA by a solid margin. It wouldn't have offset a close race elsewhere. Similarly, Romney and Baker were on track to win >50% of all votes, so supporting Stein and Falchuk meant that their parties had a better chance of attaining official standing without changing the outcome.
A third option
By erik g
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 11:01pm
If you're willing to do a little legwork, you can do what I did in 2012, and arrange a vote-swap. Find yourself a third-party voter in a state where R/D numbers matter, and convince them to send an establishment vote their way so that it actually influences the electoral vote total. In exchange, you agree to vote for a third party of their choice in a state that will go blue in almost any imaginable circumstance. Especially in this election, it helps get a third-party candidate to the magic number of votes where federal funding becomes a possibility, without risking opening the seventh seal and immanentizing the eschaton.
God help me, but: PM me if this sounds interesting, because I'm going to try to do some of the legwork myself and set something up between swing-state voters and bastions of liberal homogeneity such as ourselves. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 to move a D vote to Virginia. If I can hold my nose and do it, so can you.
Did a swap back in 2000
By Dot net
Tue, 07/05/2016 - 1:28pm
I did a Gore-Nader swap in 2000, as a voter in our liberal bastion, as you say. My Naderite friend laughed at me and said she thought many Nader voters on those sites were just "stealing" votes and not swapping them. I notice people haven't really tried out the idea since, since we got so burned w/ Dubya.
I'm voting for Stein though, since I still enjoy wasting my vote, but would switch to Hil in a NY minute if there were any doubt of her winning MA's electoral votes.
What a rookie
By Kaz
Sun, 07/03/2016 - 9:57am
He reached for his dog whistle but found his dick horn instead.
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