More than 1,000 march past BPD headquarters in march against police brutality

This isn't just about protesting problems; this is also about creating the police-community relationship that contributes to fewer problems. A protest is a situation with potential for friction, but it's also a great opportunity to demonstrate a good working relationship, and to develop people's trust in that relationship, both police and citizens. If it goes well, and it sounds like this one does, it ends with better faith between all parties.

police-community relationship

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:25am

police-community relationship that contributes to fewer problems

No data backs this up. It's all leftist gobbledygook that wastes police resources and gives power to "community organizers" who, if truth be told, speak for themselves and not the community.

Hokay, so where's your proof?

By adamg
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:51am

All I know is that I live in Boston, which isn't seeing people gunned down by police, except in cases where they fired first.

And do you actually know any community organizers?

Tito Jackson

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:58am

Need I say more?

yes, you do

By jaks85
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 2:31pm

yes, you do

"except in cases where they

By DPM
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:53pm

"except in cases where they fired first."

lol, no. Police have and will continue to engage people before they ever fire a shot. Waiting for a person to shoot at you is a good way to get dead.

ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF WOOF WOOF ARF

By Fido
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:09pm

"community organizers"

Somebody blow a dogwhistle? Where's my treat?

Data vs. experience?

By lbb
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:48pm

I dunno, crankypants, you might ask some police departments. At least some of them are trying them, based not on that fuzzy pinko lib'rul thinking but on the hard realization that they really can't function as an occupying military force.

CLASS

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:31am

i believe this whole controversy is more about class than race. That being said both sides showed a lot of class last night.

Did any of them stop inside?

By Stevil
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 6:55am

To pick up an application to be a cop?

If not, Commissioner Brrown in Dallas wants a word with you.

Doubtful.

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 8:24am

Doubtful.

Why be part of the solution you so desperately want to see when you can just complain about it!

Wait, what?

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:40am

You're suggesting the only recourse to wanting to stop police violence is to become a police officer?

I want my government to fill potholes. Does that mean I have to go work for the DPW?

Are you out protesting potholes?

By Stevil
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 12:22pm

If you were - and you had 1000 people join you - I'd have to question why with all that manpower you didn't just grab some asphalt and shovels.

That's a lot of human effort to protest something that nobody thinks is a major problem where we live. BPD is starving for good applicants - especially minorities and those with language skills. Got to imagine in that 1000 people there were a couple of good people in need of good jobs that they obviously think they can do better than the 2000 odd men and women that are out there making life and death split-second decisions every day.

NACAIDPOOTV

systemic problems require systemic solutions

By Chris Lynch
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:38pm

...or we could change the laws that makes it almost impossible to fire an officer who uses excessive force and/or have the attorney generals office be responsible to review police-involved homicides to obviate the DA/PD conflict of interest.

Even Better

By Stevil
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 2:46pm

I would like to see a civilian complaint review board..

No system is perfect - but it would be nice in certain cases to have those that serve us actually be accountable to we the people on occasion. Lots of other cities have this -and it seems to work for them - which makes me question why we fight it so hard here. Not that I think there are a lot of problems - but we can always do better.

NACAIDPOOTV

By lbb
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:51pm

I'm guessing this only means something to you, but I'm also guessing you think we're supposed to know what this means.

Just a joke

By Stevil
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 2:44pm

In response to the IANAL (I am not a lawyer) crowd that's been posting out here a bit lately.

Since you asked -

NOT A COP AND I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV

:-)

I love this game!

By ElizaLeila
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:04pm

On other lists we've often played the Guess the Acronym game. A personal favorite was YMMV: You Make Me Vomit.

YMMV?

By Michael Kerpan
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 6:38pm

I always thought this was "your mileage may vary".

You're right

By ElizaLeila
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:07pm

It's just more fun to play a game with it and come up with silly versions. Kind of like trying to 'read' license plates when they seem like they're acronyms or abbreviations.

no subject

By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 8:59pm

[img]https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/60480268.jpg[/img]

yeah, over the top but ...

You just compared ISIS to the

By anon
Sat, 07/16/2016 - 12:57am

You just compared ISIS to the BPD.

In the words of HRC, delete your account.

Re: Why should they?

By Angel
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 8:58am

The demand is simple. If you're a public servant, actually serve the public. Years ago, when civilians were shot by cops in Boston, the excuse was a so-called "warning shot" gone wrong until the police were specifically banned from doing that.

Police in Boston have been very professional for the most part. I have questions about the way some murder investigations have been conducted, but those will get sorted out eventually.

As far as Chief Brown, I was very impressed by him and the Mayor of Dallas in the wake of the sniper attack and upon learning their efforts to actively engage the community to great success. But, it's very instructive about police culture that the rank and file were trying very hard to get Brown fired.

uh

By Steeve
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:42am

Was your retort to Verizon workers striking and complaining about the CEO compensation to just pick up an application for CEO?

1000+

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 7:45am

Fox's , er , I mean Channel 5's alleged journalist, Maria Stephanos reported "a couple a hundred" protesters as the helicopter camera clearly showed a lot more than that. It looked like more that a thousand to me, but definitely a lot more than 200.

This is starting to cost

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 7:57am

Taxpayers a lot of money. Boston doesn't have a police brutality issue, what it does have is a protest issue.

First Amendment

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:16am

Read it.

What does

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:48am

Shutting down roadway have to do with freedom of speech or your right to peacefully assemble?

There are plenty of places to protest while not impending on others rights of free movement.

Freedom of assembly

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:08pm

Like I said, RTFA! Nothing in there about "in the most cost effective way possible" or "such that it doesn't inconvenience some Special Snowflake".

Nothing like that.

Of course, a Tory like you would have whined about "all that tea is in the waaaaaayyyyyyy" or "Crispus' body ruined my commute!"

Your right to free speech

By DPM
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:07pm

Your right to free speech ends at the point you impact the rights of others. Denying freedom of movement to others in a deliberate fashion is in fact a denial of another persons rights. Blocking highways etc is not protected speech, just criminal.

No right to drive

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 3:27pm

There is no right to drive.

Does that mean I can have you arrested for jamming up the roadways at rush hour? This was just rush hour with humans not in cars.

Deal with it. Grow up. Get over yourself.

If you are deliberately

By DPM
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:15pm

If you are deliberately attempting to stop someone from moving you have violated their rights. Freedom of movement is a human right.

Getting into a car accident is quite a different circumstance than blocking the highway with barrels filled with concrete and an attached jigglypuff. Malice is needed.

Well ...

By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:00pm

You could get out and walk. Hatch your eggs, and all that.

Anon is right - there is no right to be moving in a car, and no requirement that those not in cars move out of your way.

Limited access highway

By Anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:17pm

Look it up

Picture accompanying story

By anon
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:57pm

Look it up

" The right of a citizen to

By DPM
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 10:45am

" The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will.

The exercise of such a common right the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare; but it may not arbitrarily or unreasonably prohibit or restrict it, nor may it permit one to exercise it and refuse to permit another of like qualifications, under like conditions and circumstances, to exercise it."

Citation?

By anon
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:53pm

Nice quote - where'd you get it/make it up?

Scotus

By DPM1
Sat, 07/16/2016 - 9:17am

Scotus

Thompson v.Smith SCOTUS.

By DPM
Sat, 07/16/2016 - 9:35am

Thompson v.Smith SCOTUS.

Hoe does it feel to fail so hard?

Not from the Bill of Rights

By anon
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 12:55pm

Nice try, but that ain't in the constitution.

Cute opinion piece, though. You going to use it when complaining about all those other people in your way on the road blocking your rights? or just black people walking.

That opinion piece is from

By DPM
Sat, 07/16/2016 - 9:27am

That opinion piece is from SCOTUS. That makes it the law of the land.

You lose.

Thompson v.Smith

.

By Chris Lynch
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:43pm

it's true, police could give them all tickets for jay walking or even arrest them for refusing to comply with police orders. That's how Baton Rouge PD handled it. Have you seen the videos?

BPD consistently permits organized marches to march in the street and seeks to protect safety and 1st amendment rights.

As a citizen you have ever right to petition govt to change their approach.

Really?

By lbb
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:20am

If you think civil protest is too inconvenient and expensive, consider the alternative.

The previous anon's comment

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:38am

The previous anon's comment didn't mention anything about inconvenience. Cost is something that the city of Boston has to consider. Or maybe you haven't noticed that public transportation and public education could use additional funding? Public transportation and public education benfeits all people of Boston including those protesting. Think about it.

How budgets work

By lbb
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:56pm

Or maybe you haven't noticed that public transportation and public education could use additional funding? Public transportation and public education benfeits all people of Boston including those protesting.

Your "suggestion" sounds like a good one, until you take a look at how budgets actually work. Not that I'm any expert myself, but I think it would take more than a little sleight of hand to redirect unspent public safety budget money from the City of Boston into the operating fund of the MBTA.

That reminds me

By Michael
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 9:57am

Whatever became of that off-duty cop who threw that guy to the ground a few weeks ago because his car got tapped with an umbrella while he was almost running him over? Is that all the way under the rug or is the investigation proceeding?

Reference?

By lbb
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 1:57pm

I missed this one. Got more info?

Sure

By Michael
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 2:15pm

Original Thread

sounds like

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:11am

The crowd was very well-behaved and the police very professional. This is what peaceful protest is all about.

Protest of the uninformed...

By MatthewC
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:44am

Before anyone starts preaching like they know what they're talking about, do some research on when deadly force is authorized. Weapon, opportunity, actions. So, don't lunge at the police with a knife. Also, drop the gun when told to. I suspect many of you just have a bias against police officers. Some are just uninformed and prone to following the crowd. Either way, arm yourself with correct information before you go off the rails against cops (most of whom are doing the right thing). But, this is Boston after all. So a logical and reasoned debated that deviates from the standard dogma probably isn't allowed.

Aw, man

By erik g
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 10:48am

I posted my card too soon. I forgot some of the old standards. "Following the crowd." Boston as great liberal orthodoxy. A lecture on when use of force is legally permitted, absent any context whatsoever. Accusations of anti-police bias. A blanket statement that anyone who disagrees with you is uninformed.

Pray continue, gentle sir, to educate us poor unwashed masses about the proper time and place for the police to act as summary judge, jury, and executioner. Surely we can absorb at least the faintest whiff of the wisdom you exude from your every pore.

When?

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:19am

When having a gun pointed at you, for example? Or being shot at? Or being rushed with a knife?

Don't forget buying a toy gun

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 12:58pm

Don't forget buying a toy gun in Walmart.

What's your point?

By MatthewC
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:43pm

That's right: change the narrative. Throw a fit. Typical.

Weapon, actions, opportunity...

By MatthewC
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:40pm

What part of that was hard for you to understand? I'd be happy to break down any part of that so that you understand, though I'm not sure how much more elementary I could make it.

Other situations where deadly force is apparently authorized

By ZachAndTired
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:15am

- Complying with officer's request for your license and registration (while black)
- Laying on your stomach with arms out to your side during an arrest (while black)
- Walking away from an officer (while black)
- Playing with a toy gun in a park (while black)

Sure, that's the narrative.

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 11:27am

It is soon followed by narrative collapse.

What narrative? What are you

By ZachAndTired
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 12:54pm

What narrative? What are you talking about? The videos of these incidents are out there. These things are happening.

Cops kill white people too...

By MatthewC
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:45pm

But you don't care about that. You just hate those who serve.

Good news everybody!

By ZachAndTired
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 1:48pm

Cops kill white people too, so racial bias and systemic racism clearly no longer exist! WOOHOO!

What's your point?

By MatthewC
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 4:42pm

The article mentioned a man shot while attacking police with a knife, and another who refused to drop their gun when ordered to do so. I was addressing those situations specifically. So you protesters just want cops to be killed and injured. Got it. They're not allowed to defend themselves. Got it.

Nice false dichotomy

By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/15/2016 - 10:32pm

Meanwhile, some police departments are showing how it is done

[img]https://scontent.fbos1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10...

Sorry, but "failure to worshipfully fellate any/all cops" is simply not the same as "wanting cops to get killed/injured" or "hating people who serve".

Most adults can handle these distinctions without head explosions or temper tantrums.

I was wondering when you'd show up...

By MatthewC
Sun, 07/17/2016 - 2:52am

No discussion about anything remotely relating to the police isn't the same without your cop hating, military hating ass showing up. It's like you can sniff it out like a dog to shit. You're not the standard issue moron I usually deal with, so I'm a bit surprised that you haven't gotten your head around my three simple words: weapon, opportunity, actions. That is what I'm addressing. I know you spend your time pissing on those who served (even though you yourself claim to have served. And on a side note, we're all elated that you stopped polluting our ranks with your shitbaggery), but seriously...it's a simple concept. Get your shit together.

Are you for real?

By anon
Thu, 07/14/2016 - 5:20pm

Or just being a smarta**? All DOJ/FBI statistics, and a recent well known study released by a black Harvard professor, show there is zero correlation between a person's skin color and whether they get shot, tased,etc. by police, in fact proportionately more whites vs blacks have been killed by police. I'm white and grew up in shitty neighborhoods in NYC and Boston, among 'white trash', [or dates N word], so called Hispanics and trust me I never received preferential treatment by police because I am white.

The real issue here in America is CLASS....not skin color or ethnicity, and to an extent gender. But since leftist in America long ago decided to demonize whites, especially white males [hate is stronger than love and is used as a rallying tactic to keep the useful idiots radicalized, by hate mongers and radicals of every persuasion] even destitute, marginalized whites.