The Globe reports the proposed easement would let the developer of 25 Beacon St. add three maid's rooms, sorry, au pair's rooms, in an attempt to find buyers for the units, which go for $9 million to $11 million each.
Are you kidding me? The amount of publicly owned land that could be turned over to private developers at market rates that could be used for market rate housing as opposed to the parcels of land that are being given away for next to nothing in Boston and other cities to develop warehouse housing, I mean workforce housing?
Neighborhood CDC's and other juiced developers get sweetheart deals all of the time to develop housing by not paying the market rate prices for land. Do you think the developers building in Roxbury and Dot with public funds operate on Unicorn sweat and Care Bear kisses? No, they make money just the same as the people developing the old UU buildings.
Yeah, public land is given away at sweetheart deals all the time. It's a horrible disgrace.
The problem here is that the public land in question isn't some underdeveloped eyesore, it's the fucking state house lawn. And the developer isn't attempting to make affordable housing, they are simply trying to maximize their profits on ultra luxury condos only a tiny fraction of Boston's residents could ever dream of affording.
Every time I start to like Baker he does something to remind me he's just as scummy as the rest.
is there any sort of coherent argument or reply based on facts or the issue at hand? All I see is a personal attack and some snark, because you were just owned.
I keep seeing the words "market rate" instead of "'luxury' condos for foreign investors to buy and never actually use while slowly killing our city." Adam, you may wanna run a bug test.
The buyer paid $2,583 per square foot of land for the three sites (25 Beacon / 6 and 7 Mount Vernon Place). The buildings have value but constructing inside a shell is nearly the same as building from the ground up in the real estate development in terms of acquisition cost.
The buyer is asking for a Permanent Easement, which is not 100% of the fee in the land, but is close enough that they will control that site forever.
At $2,583 per square foot x 300 SF = $774,900. The State should ask for more because this small amount in the grand scheme of the development will make the parcels worth even more.
For all of you that will whine about the legacy of noted smuggler John Hancock's site, big deal. His heirs didn't even think twice about selling it to the Commonwealth in the past.
It is three or four small patches of land (about the size of a room at the Park Plaza Hotel or a small parking space in total) that you are not even allowed to walk on now that the State House has been turned into a fortress. Sell it. Give the money to fund upkeep on the Common, a patch of grass that gets a lot more use.
By the way, Faker's Way of doing this is moronic. This site should have been put out to bid through DCAM. The only buyer would have been the developer, but at least the process would have been public.
For all of you that will whine about the legacy of noted smuggler John Hancock's site, big deal. His heirs didn't even think twice about selling it to the Commonwealth in the past.
WHAT? The nieces and nephews of John & Dorothy Hancock (they outlived their children) held onto it as long as possible, especially considering that many of them ended up impoverished themselves.
Both of Hancock's children died in childhood. Hancock died in 1793 without a will, which lead to his estate being diminished and dispersed amongst nieces and nephews. Despite the fact that many of these relatives and their descendants had little means, the family held onto the mansion for 70 years.
Although Dorothy Hancock had no legal claim to the house, the heirs allowed her to return after the death of her second husband. She lived rent free for 10 years, until 1820, when she moved in with members of her own family as her health declined in her old age.
After that, Hancock family members owned the house until 1863. When the last nephew who had the resources to keep it up and actually live in the house, also named John Hancock, died in 1859, the remaining heirs struggled to find a buyer who would keep it standing. The cost of maintaining a large house, almost 130 years old and suffering from age itself,was well beyond the means of the family.
After nephew John died, the remaining heirs offered the mansion to the commonwealth of Massachusetts for $100,000, which was $25,000 below the value of the land alone. They offered it at this low price because while they could not afford to donate it, they recognized the importance of the house and wanted it to remain standing. Given its location relative to the new state house, they made an argument to legislators that it could be used as the governor's mansion. Initially, the Governor and the legislature were on board, but the arrangement was reneged on when getting all the titles in place dragged on-- various heirs had died, either without wills or without addressing partial ownership in the mansion, and getting ownership to revert to the original surviving heirs or their direct descendants took two years.
With Massachusetts no longer willing to pay for it, the family approached possible patrons who would purchase it and maintain it as a museum. They had no luck in New England, and ended up writing potential philanthropic buyers as far as New Jersey and Delaware. They even thought of reaching out to Washington's descendants, but in light of the Civil War divide between Massachusetts and Virginia, decided not to.
The efforts didn't work, and in 1863 the family sold the land only to developers. Charles Hancock arranged to donate the house itself to the city, expecting it to be moved to a permanent, less valuable location, as Beacon Hill was being gentrified. (Stereoviews of the mansion's inside were taken in 1863 to document what items were being given to the city, and assessment notes made by a city commissioner--these may still be at the BPL).
Ultimately, the city decided against the wholesale move, opting to keep architectural mementos of the house and to auction the house and its furnishings piecemeal. The benefactor of this auction was primarily the city, not the family.
On the plus side, this debacle was part of what inspired the Bostonian Society to form 15 years later, to protect the Old State house.
For introducing actual facts and history into the conversation, instead of crankypants "just so" stories from a poster whose only reliability is his ability to moralize while making things up.
Menino got donations from a number of Liberty Mutual execs right before he gave them a $50 million tax break to build their new headquarters (the land cost about $25-50 million and development was a few hundred million. There was a 9 digit profit on the property the day they cut the ribbon).
In case you hadn't noticed, he's a Republican, and wants to privatize everything he can get away with, including the State House grounds, privatized for some campaign contributors. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
A part of the State house should not be for sale, its an historical building , state shouldn't be selling a part of state government history to greedy developers, instead state should build something useful social services related on that lawn. State is scrambling to find land and here is the governor selling part of the state house.
is in the Historic Beacon Hill District so exterior changes much be approved by the Commission. Has anyone bothered to find out if these changes might even be legally possible?
Probably has to go through the Boston historic commission whatever they call it. Just think before they build anything on that parcel they would probably have to excavate the land and see if they can find old artifacts before anything goes up. I think it is near where the JFK statue stands. On left side in front, Governors main office above on 3rd floor will have blocked views....if this thing goes up.
Sorry, but this is just offensive in so many ways. What RIGHT does Gov. Baker have to give away historical land that belongs to the people of The Commonwealth!?? He's not The King of Massachusetts!
Historic land? All the land around there is the same age, probably dating back to the last glacial period. The concern is that it is very valuable land.
Give public land away to the "producers" who in turn hire thousand's of people paying them generously and providing an economic stimulus. This is how a meritocracy functions....
A solution presents itself for the Pagliucas and 352 Marlborough Street!
"That's not a garage - it's an au pair suite. That's not a garage door - it's access for the superwide stroller. We're sensitive to the character and beauty of the neighborhood and wouldn't want to do something tacky like chain the stroller to the railing on the front steps!"
Comments
stay off our lawn
"While the basic structure of the historic building could not be changed, its interior can be."
They just don't want to do it this way. This could have been resolved with a simple 'no' and moved onto solving transportation problems.
Detestable.
Detestable.
Giving up public land to
Giving up public land to benefit only the very rich. Baker is a republican all right.
As Opposed to the Public Land for The Poor?
Are you kidding me? The amount of publicly owned land that could be turned over to private developers at market rates that could be used for market rate housing as opposed to the parcels of land that are being given away for next to nothing in Boston and other cities to develop warehouse housing, I mean workforce housing?
Neighborhood CDC's and other juiced developers get sweetheart deals all of the time to develop housing by not paying the market rate prices for land. Do you think the developers building in Roxbury and Dot with public funds operate on Unicorn sweat and Care Bear kisses? No, they make money just the same as the people developing the old UU buildings.
Two wrongs make it right?
Yeah, public land is given away at sweetheart deals all the time. It's a horrible disgrace.
The problem here is that the public land in question isn't some underdeveloped eyesore, it's the fucking state house lawn. And the developer isn't attempting to make affordable housing, they are simply trying to maximize their profits on ultra luxury condos only a tiny fraction of Boston's residents could ever dream of affording.
Every time I start to like Baker he does something to remind me he's just as scummy as the rest.
Seriously?
You can't see any the difference?
Or are you also working for the Koch brothers these days?
Is It Delirium or Dementia?
Which one has taken over your cognitive abilities? Your response could be one of the weakest non-anons posted here in ages.
Who has the UHub bingo card? We have someone with a head start on the rest of us in a otherwise intelligent discussion today.
Where in THIS response
is there any sort of coherent argument or reply based on facts or the issue at hand? All I see is a personal attack and some snark, because you were just owned.
It's weird
I keep seeing the words "market rate" instead of "'luxury' condos for foreign investors to buy and never actually use while slowly killing our city." Adam, you may wanna run a bug test.
Steps
I recently took a Park Ranger tour of Jamaica Pond and was surprised to see the original stairs to John Hancock's home on Beacon Street.
Future use: new flooring in 3
Future use: new flooring in 3 tip-out maid's quarters...
Anything under $775,000 is too little
The buyer paid $2,583 per square foot of land for the three sites (25 Beacon / 6 and 7 Mount Vernon Place). The buildings have value but constructing inside a shell is nearly the same as building from the ground up in the real estate development in terms of acquisition cost.
The buyer is asking for a Permanent Easement, which is not 100% of the fee in the land, but is close enough that they will control that site forever.
At $2,583 per square foot x 300 SF = $774,900. The State should ask for more because this small amount in the grand scheme of the development will make the parcels worth even more.
For all of you that will whine about the legacy of noted smuggler John Hancock's site, big deal. His heirs didn't even think twice about selling it to the Commonwealth in the past.
It is three or four small patches of land (about the size of a room at the Park Plaza Hotel or a small parking space in total) that you are not even allowed to walk on now that the State House has been turned into a fortress. Sell it. Give the money to fund upkeep on the Common, a patch of grass that gets a lot more use.
By the way, Faker's Way of doing this is moronic. This site should have been put out to bid through DCAM. The only buyer would have been the developer, but at least the process would have been public.
For all of you that will
WHAT? The nieces and nephews of John & Dorothy Hancock (they outlived their children) held onto it as long as possible, especially considering that many of them ended up impoverished themselves.
Both of Hancock's children died in childhood. Hancock died in 1793 without a will, which lead to his estate being diminished and dispersed amongst nieces and nephews. Despite the fact that many of these relatives and their descendants had little means, the family held onto the mansion for 70 years.
Although Dorothy Hancock had no legal claim to the house, the heirs allowed her to return after the death of her second husband. She lived rent free for 10 years, until 1820, when she moved in with members of her own family as her health declined in her old age.
After that, Hancock family members owned the house until 1863. When the last nephew who had the resources to keep it up and actually live in the house, also named John Hancock, died in 1859, the remaining heirs struggled to find a buyer who would keep it standing. The cost of maintaining a large house, almost 130 years old and suffering from age itself,was well beyond the means of the family.
After nephew John died, the remaining heirs offered the mansion to the commonwealth of Massachusetts for $100,000, which was $25,000 below the value of the land alone. They offered it at this low price because while they could not afford to donate it, they recognized the importance of the house and wanted it to remain standing. Given its location relative to the new state house, they made an argument to legislators that it could be used as the governor's mansion. Initially, the Governor and the legislature were on board, but the arrangement was reneged on when getting all the titles in place dragged on-- various heirs had died, either without wills or without addressing partial ownership in the mansion, and getting ownership to revert to the original surviving heirs or their direct descendants took two years.
With Massachusetts no longer willing to pay for it, the family approached possible patrons who would purchase it and maintain it as a museum. They had no luck in New England, and ended up writing potential philanthropic buyers as far as New Jersey and Delaware. They even thought of reaching out to Washington's descendants, but in light of the Civil War divide between Massachusetts and Virginia, decided not to.
The efforts didn't work, and in 1863 the family sold the land only to developers. Charles Hancock arranged to donate the house itself to the city, expecting it to be moved to a permanent, less valuable location, as Beacon Hill was being gentrified. (Stereoviews of the mansion's inside were taken in 1863 to document what items were being given to the city, and assessment notes made by a city commissioner--these may still be at the BPL).
Ultimately, the city decided against the wholesale move, opting to keep architectural mementos of the house and to auction the house and its furnishings piecemeal. The benefactor of this auction was primarily the city, not the family.
On the plus side, this debacle was part of what inspired the Bostonian Society to form 15 years later, to protect the Old State house.
thank you
For sharing that history
Thank You
For introducing actual facts and history into the conversation, instead of crankypants "just so" stories from a poster whose only reliability is his ability to moralize while making things up.
The Bostonian Society
manages and maintains the Old State House, not the Old South Meeting House.
Correct, Ron
I can't edit it at the moment but I though one thing but typed another. Will change it later.
Cheers vs Hancock
If Hancock's home existed today,would it be a bigger attraction than Cheers?
The rich already buy the
The rich already buy the inside of the State House. Might as well let them buy the outside too.
No.
No.
Two names were mentioned in
Two names were mentioned in the Globe article:
Charles V Reed, who gave the Baker campaign $250 back in 2014 and Jean Abouhamad who gave $500 on 6/7/2016.
6/7/2016?
You can make a campaign contribution right as you have business before that official?
It's bad timing.
Regular course of biz
Menino got donations from a number of Liberty Mutual execs right before he gave them a $50 million tax break to build their new headquarters (the land cost about $25-50 million and development was a few hundred million. There was a 9 digit profit on the property the day they cut the ribbon).
Charlie Faker strikes again
Chucking Farlie, everybody loves him, 70% approval, blah, blah, blah.
In case you hadn't noticed, he's a Republican, and wants to privatize everything he can get away with, including the State House grounds, privatized for some campaign contributors. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
But where
Will they put the back door to the governor's office?
A part of the State house
A part of the State house should not be for sale, its an historical building , state shouldn't be selling a part of state government history to greedy developers, instead state should build something useful social services related on that lawn. State is scrambling to find land and here is the governor selling part of the state house.
The building next to the lawn
is in the Historic Beacon Hill District so exterior changes much be approved by the Commission. Has anyone bothered to find out if these changes might even be legally possible?
Probably has to go through
Probably has to go through the Boston historic commission whatever they call it. Just think before they build anything on that parcel they would probably have to excavate the land and see if they can find old artifacts before anything goes up. I think it is near where the JFK statue stands. On left side in front, Governors main office above on 3rd floor will have blocked views....if this thing goes up.
Are you fucking kidding me??
Real estate sells itself in MA.
There is NO WAY they *need* additional rooms in order to sell that building.
FUCK OFF, YOU.
In cases like this it's good
In cases like this it's good to ask yourself, what would the BRA do?
Hold the cash
If Diane is wearing it
Slippery slope
In more ways than one.
Sorry, but this is just
Sorry, but this is just offensive in so many ways. What RIGHT does Gov. Baker have to give away historical land that belongs to the people of The Commonwealth!?? He's not The King of Massachusetts!
Historic land? All the land
Historic land? All the land around there is the same age, probably dating back to the last glacial period. The concern is that it is very valuable land.
Not true!
Most of Boston's land is fill. Look at an old map sometime.
Seems like a low estimate
At this income level, it usually costs more than $11m when a spouse blows up a marriage by fooling around with the au pair.
Privatization is good.
Give public land away to the "producers" who in turn hire thousand's of people paying them generously and providing an economic stimulus. This is how a meritocracy functions....
Did any of the outraged
Did any of the outraged commenters read the linked to Globe article?
Speaking as an outraged non-commenter...
... the answer is "yes". Reading the article did not cause me to feel less bothered by this deal.
Smells worse than the privatization of Yawkey Way and Van Ness
These public real estate deals get done and are irreversible with no justifiable public benefit for future generations.
Red Sox Yawkey Way Handoff by City
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/2015/10/ig_report_blast...
At last!
At last!
A solution presents itself for the Pagliucas and 352 Marlborough Street!
"That's not a garage - it's an au pair suite. That's not a garage door - it's access for the superwide stroller. We're sensitive to the character and beauty of the neighborhood and wouldn't want to do something tacky like chain the stroller to the railing on the front steps!"
#APPROVED
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