This Dedham resident says he's been coming up to Copley Square since May to show his support for the Republican nominee. He says most people ignore him, some take his photo, some give him the finger and a few wave. As we spoke, a woman in her 30s came up to him with a big smile, exclaimed "I'm going to vote for Trump, too!" "Tell your husband!" he exhorted her, then started yelling to passersby, as the Opera Singer Guy continued to belt out a song about 40 feet away: "A million-dollar woman! We've got a million-dollar woman right here!"
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Lost Cause.
By Jay
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:03pm
Looks like he's got a lot of free time on his hands. Not surprised. But hey you do you.
Yikes!
By whiskeylover
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:19pm
Yikes!
That guy!
By KSquared
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:19pm
I've seen him a lot on Route 1/Providence Hwy/VFW. The sign + flag combo is distinctive.
These Trumpeteers can't even do signs right.
By Marco
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:27pm
Or chant right either. Their slogans are terrible. The obvious one here is "Trump 4-ever, Hillary Never!" It's even chant-able!
Saw a group of these lead-water drinkers on the 93 on-ramp in Neponset the other day. One genius had "If you have wisdom vote Trump" on his sign. How about "A Wise Man Votes Trump" (mostly because any woman voting Trump would never be described as wise) or even "If you are wise vote Trump" or "Wise Guys Vote Trump"
My boss is a Trump voter and he was stumbling over himself to make a racist joke this morning. THESE PEOPLE EVEN NEED HELP WITH RACISM. It's really effing sad how dumb they are....
HR
By Ari O
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:59pm
It's a thing … if the bossman is making racist jokes.
Diversity of opinions in a
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:27pm
Diversity of opinions in a democratic republic is a beautiful thing.
Any society without a marketplace of competing ideas, no matter how good or bad they may be, is stagnant.
Yup
By BostonDog
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:44pm
Let them have their fun -- it's their right.
If I knew absolutely nothing about Trump I might support him too.
So are you saying
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:22pm
You know nothing about Hillary?
I know plenty
By BostonDog
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 3:11pm
How about you list what you like about Trump so much without mentioning Clinton or democrats. If you think Trump is great, go ahead and tell us why.
I'm sure we could all use a good laugh on a Tuesday afternoon.
Chirp chirp
By Crickets
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:05am
:)
FTFY
By erik g
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:25pm
If I knew absolutely nothing
about TrumpI might support him too.Jon Snow, etc. etc.
It's unfortunate that our
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 3:08pm
It's unfortunate that our presidential voting system doesn't value a diversity of ideas in some states.
No reason to insult Kansas
By adamg
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:51pm
No reason to insult Kansas like that.
Yep, which is why
By IndyParty
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:53pm
It is disturbing to see dissenting opinions shut down at college campuses and gatherings everywhere lately.
The university environments are especially troubling to me, as college is where I learned to listen to and tolerate others. Because that happened, back then.
You, sir or ma'am, are an arm-waver
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:19am
You, sir or ma'am, are an arm-waver. That's a person who, without reference to specifics or facts, declaims about how something awful is happening "everywhere lately". You might succeed in rousing up a chorus of grinding axes, but don't be terribly surprised if no one who's actually thought things through takes you seriously.
I feel your pain, man
By erik g
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:29am
I also remember my halcyon days back at ol' Strawman U. "There's two sides to every story," the professors would say, and then we'd talk about why it was morally equivalent to provide universal health care, or to deport everyone who had ever seen foot in a mosque. I passed my sophomore seminar, "Intolerance of intolerance is also intolerant," with flying colors, and went on to graduate summa cum laude with a thesis on why groupthink was bad and totally doesn't exist outside of the ivory tower. "GOP! AOK! Democrats! Also good!" was the cheer that went up on game days. We'd feud with Strawman State, just up the road, but their football team were just a bunch of Reaganites and guys wearing Che stickers on their helmets, so we always thumped 'em good.
Slow clap
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 1:24pm
Well-done.
Remember when Palin was popular?
By BullDetector
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:38pm
Popular amongst Republicans at least. They defended her with all their might.
Then she lost (McCain was just a side show)
Slowly but surely, after one too many bizarre comments, even the most die hard republicans admitted she was nuts.
Trump fans. I see your immediate future.
Just Like The Heaven and Hell Guy near The Cask
By John Costello
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 1:44pm
Somebody, apparently without a day job, likes to live in a fantasy world while the rest of us go around and just live.
This guy is harmless, unlike the Hick Hop idiots I see out in the suburbs and exurbs, who seem really pissed that somewhere someone is getting to live their lives under the protection of the US Constitution, and not under their "Murica rules.
what is hick hop?
By Patricia - not ...
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:10pm
what is hick hop?
That Gawd Awful New Type of Country Music
By John Costello
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:07pm
Country music was horrible and has been since about 1978. It is now taken subtle hip hop beats and plastered it over with Jimmy Buffett meets America First lyrics. This means it is even worse.
I can't go to two restaurants at the beach near me any more because this have sex with my pick up truck / tip my hat to the soldiers (even though I didn't sign up) / punch a deer / knock back a brew / respect my mama / luv my girl / kill an A-Rab crap is played everywhere now.
I am going to keep Buffalo Tom, The Dogmatics, The Neighborhoods, The Blackjacks, The Outlets, Dino Jr., and The Cavedogs even though some of them are in their 50's and some have passed on retainer after I hit the lottery and have them burst into bars and play real music to kill the evil of country culture that permeates this area more and more.
Wow.
By John-W
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 11:45pm
Throw in the Bags, Classic Ruins and the Lyres and I'll marry you.
ignore.
By John-W
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 11:46pm
.
Unbelievable
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:30am
That, sir, was a mighty fine takedown. I tip my hat.
I guess I'm just old-fashioned, but I still find it weird that country music even gets played in Massachusetts (except in a sort of musicologist/"let's explore American regional music" kind of way).
Then maybe
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 1:25pm
You need to get out of Suffolk County once in awhile.
Swing and a miss
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 4:47pm
I live in Franklin County, son. Surprise: songs about the stars and bars aren't traditional in these parts either.
Emmylou Harris, Dolly Parton, Johnny Cash?
By Ron Newman
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 1:59pm
I don't think liking any of these makes one an uneducated hick.
Ditto
By Michael Kerpan
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 5:51pm
Says this guy from Oklahoma
Did I say it did?
By lbb
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 9:33am
Pay attention to your attributions, son.
Seriously
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:11pm
Do you really believe Boston and MA is all leftist so called progressive Hillary fanboys? You really think Trump fans are unusual around here?
Yes, yes I do
By adamg
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:19pm
No, not all of Massachusetts - I suspect Trump will do relatively well in Worcester County, but come on, Copley Square? Seriously? Do you even Boston, bro?
Unpopular but not uncommon
By Mr. Bink
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:50pm
In the original anon poster's defense, Copley is filled with many tourists (or is that Cope-ly Square?) from all around the country (including people from Worcester County) who may support Trump......... jus' sayin.
I trek between Southie and Rozzie via Columbia Road weekly. There has been a Trump flag hanging out the window of an apartment that makes me worry about that person's safety, well-being, and awareness of surroundings.. I don't want to specify too closely where it is , but it's been there for months.
They walk amongst us
By Irma la Douce
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 3:08pm
Earlier this summer I was walking up Babcock Street in Brookline (BROOKLINE!!!) and became aware of a thirtysomething man talking quite animatedly on his cell about the need for the listener to vote for Trump so we can build a wall and "keep these people out of our country". He veered onto one of the side streets, leading me to think he resides in the town of Kennedy, Dukakis and TLF.
That man behaves as if he is mentally ill
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:42pm
I'm not making a dumb crazy voter joke.
I know of a man in Brookline who matches your description and who behaves as if he needs medical help. I see him pretty regularly, always with the same seemingly-harmless schtick.
And I write all of this very conscious of Rep Pat Kennedy's plea to stop calling Trump crazy because it demeans those who are suffering from real mental health issues and need treatment, not ridicule.
There's a guy who acts rather similarly that I've seen around
By mplo
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 1:08pm
our area of Somerville on afew occasions, and who goes around with his stuff in a big shopping cart. I wonder if he's homeless and/or mentally ill. Sometimes he acts and talks politely and decently, but other times he's become rather insulting. Unpredictable, imho. I think he's mentally ill and homeless, but who arm I to put labels on people.
My suspicion is...
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:54pm
...that there is an entire silent group of Trump voters who are saying nothing for fear of being branded bigots or whatever, quietly believing in the things Trump espouses. Living in the most liberal areas.
Which "things" would those be exactly?
By Sally
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:27pm
Aside from slogans that can be grunted or slapped on a bumper sticker ("Build a wall!" "Make America Great Again!") what concrete policies has the guy set forth that folks can intelligently get behind? What do his supporters actually think he's going to DO? Build a wall--for real? Kick out all the Muslins? Start making his ugly-ass clothing line in Ohio instead of China? The guy is a bridge-seller par excellence.
You miss the point entirely...
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:42pm
Th post does not say that the "things" Trump espouses are good, bad, indifferent or worth believing in. It says there are people who agree with him and will vote for him but are keeping quiet about it for fear of being branded bigots, homophobes, racists, etc. They may well BE bigots, etc. But they are keeping quiet. The polls are not taking this group into consideration. They DO exist.
Prove it
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 7:41pm
Explain how "the polls" could systematically exclude such people?
I mean, are they too terrified to answer the phone? Refusing to answer pollster's questions?
I think you need to head over to the FAQs at fivethirtyeight.com and learn a few things about how polls are conducted.
Maybe something like this?
By anon
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:18am
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect
But what do I know, I'm not an expert on everything!
So what you're saying is
By Waquiot
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 7:42pm
Sally and Swirly are proving the original anon's point.
(and yes, Swirly, you make an excellent point about how this guy is doing a good job sign holding down below.)
How are we proving that point, again?
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 8:04pm
Care to explain?
There is a difference between threatening violence because someone is different and expecting someone to rationally support their assertions about other "types" of people that justify limiting their rights using valid scientific, sociological, and legal arguments.
One is bullying, intimidation and threats. The other is simply an expectation of rational adult discourse instead of "I believe it so it has to be true" and "you're being MEAN because you expect me to be rational and that's the same as hating on me".
Sorry, but I expect adults old enough to vote to act like adults, not terrified children, when demanding that the rights of others be curtailed. I expect adults to not whine about persecution when called on to provide valid justification for their demands.
You haven't dealt with teenagers yet ... bwahahahaha!
Okay, you weren't quite
By Waquiot
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 11:17pm
Until just then.
Look, I'm not going to defend Trump's core supporters, since there are a lot of bullies (IMHO), but there are obviously people for whom Trump's message that America is in decline, that the government is either tolerating or even set to reward people who have violated our immigration laws, that unfair trade deals have ruined our manufacturing section, and that looking to the various terrorist incidents in Europe in the name of Islam we need more scrutiny of people coming from the Muslim world resonates. I mean, he's been routinely polling at around 40% of the electorate. Not all of them are bad people.
That said, there is a certain level of intellectual bullying on the part of the left. Yes, in a rational world people can have calm discussions of issues, but just look back to when Adam posted something on transgendered persons. There was a lot of beating up on the views of people who simply feel that if you are born with a penis you are a male and if you are born with a vagina you are a female. Sure, if the Hub of the Universe was Colorado Springs or Montana, the Bizarro World Adam would be posting about seemingly odd Hilary Clinton supporters and people would be mocking the candidate for her lack of trustworthiness (amongst other things.) That wouldn't be right, either.
I give you credit. You post below the 100% right thing. The guy has a right to his views on the Presidential race, even though you 100% disagree with him. There's just been way too much screaming this year, and my fear is that it will only get worse.
But to the point, the claim would be that Trump supports are suffering, in essence, from the Bradley effect, in that they might be afraid of being judged by pollsters who ask who they are voting for. Apparently, this year computer polls, even those done via phone, have been more accurate than live interview polls.
Then you tell me
By Kaz
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 9:32am
How are the intelligent, well-reasoned, people who have taken careful consideration and employed rigorous thought to today's issues and candidates supposed to interact with someone who hasn't given any thought, has reacted purely out of pseudo-self-interest to back a misogynistic, racist, xenophobic, con artist that is entirely unrepentantly devoid of detailed thought and whose statements from day to day contradict themselves?
For months, it was "that's not true, don't you see...", then it was "I already explained that to you last time, but you're ignoring the facts...", then it was "I don't understand how you can support that when days ago you said the opposite and you're not explaining yourself well enough for me to be able to get at the root of the problem...", then it was "oh come on, you're just saying that because you don't like her, which is fine, but don't make stuff up...", and now it's "are you fucking stupid?".
And now suddenly, in comes the supposed voice of reason to say "well, no wonder, you're being an intellectual bully!". Fuck you. You ever think that they're being a reticent, intentionally intellectually ignorant bully instead? That ever occur to you? That one side has *tried* to reason through it all and raise the bar for everyone but keeps getting poo flung in their face for their troubles and has decided it'd be better to burn a fireline to prevent the stupid from spreading any further?
All the thumbs. I want your
By MattyC
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:31am
All the thumbs. I want your last graf on a t-shirt.
"Intellectually bullying" the
By anon
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 7:46pm
"Intellectually bullying" the willfully ignorant is more an observation of facts than an attack on a viewpoint.
How about
By Waquiot
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 7:50pm
Asking yourself how you would react if people demeaned you because of who you support based on their feeling of moral and intellectual superiority.
I'm a Johnson guy. I've had both Clinton and Trump people (okay, anti-Trump and anti-Clinton) folk claim I'm wasting my vote and helping the other one win. Yet I can intellectualize why people are actually positively supporting Clinton and Trump.
Doesn't address the question
By Kaz
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 12:08am
Trump supporters may have glommed onto him because they foolishly thought he had appeal for one reason or another. However he's since proven that whatever they found appealing is a lie. They still stay attached to him.
They have been confronted with this in simple, civil ways. They refuse to internalize it due to whatever reason. That reason is shown to be wrong in a kind civil way. They find another rationalization. No Trump supporter is backing him at this point without having been confronted with why their opinion of him is on unfounded bullshit. Yet they persist.
That's not rational. So the answer is no longer to treat them rationally or even kindly. They KNOW and don't care that it's all bullshit but they persist anyways.
It has reached a point where it's pointless to care what they think because what they think has no bearing on reality and the rest of us have to continue to exist in reality. If we rounded them up into FEMA camps, they'd still be wrong because reeducation requires prior education which they're lacking.
"Agree" with him on what exactly?
By Sally
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 6:30am
Again--the guy has set forth zero policies on how he'll accomplish his vague rah-rah goals. I agree completely that he's successfully tapping into discontent, anger, and yeah, sorry--a deep vein of racist, xenophobic nastiness. But as far as anything real to "believe?" I've yet to see it.
Projection much?
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 7:25pm
Just because Trump supporters are now legendary for beating down people not like them with the blessing of Trump himself ("I'll pay the legal bills") doesn't mean that other people act like they do.
But, given their fear of everything not them, I can see how they might imagine themselves into a terrified little hole. Meanwhile, this dude shows his support and nobody has yet bothered him.
Persecution complex
By anon
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:42am
Like all evangelical thinkers, they have this enduring fantasy that the world is out to get them for their beliefs.
What they fear most: the world doesn't care, except when they try to legislate them.
Also an effective strategy
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:40am
It also appears to be an effective derail strategy even if you don't believe in the fantasy. For example, behind the so-called "religious freedom" laws in so many states are, I believe, a number of cynical assholes who know perfectly well that their religion -- Christianity, the only religion whose adherents have argued is under some kind of existential threat -- in fact enjoys an unparalleled level of privilege and power in American society, and that a Christian's ability to practice their religion is in no way impinged upon by laws regulating public accommodations, among other things. Yet they continue to use the line of how the poor persecuted Christians are under attack in this country, because they know it works -- until enough people start pointing and laughing.
Don't be elitist...
By John-W
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:01pm
....I'm sure there are some people from Revere who work or hang out in Copley....
Trump will do better outside
By mikex617x
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:26pm
Trump will do better outside of the the 495 belt than he will inside of it, but he's still going to get crushed in MA. Sure, he'll carry some shithead deep Massachusetts towns, but he is going to be embarrassed here. Though it'll be more embarrassing when he loses Texas or Utah.
ahem
By Malcolm Tucker
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 7:16pm
Hillary is no more a leftist than I am a billionaire. She's a "practical progressive" the way Bush was a "compassionate conservative." This election is the apocalypse and I am actively seeking convenience marriages in other countries.
Hillary is the best candidate
By anon
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:06am
Hillary is the best candidate the Republicans have run in years :)
I was a registered Democrat for a really, really long time, but
By mplo
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 10:04am
I switched over to the Independent (or the Unenrolled, as it's called here in Somerville) back in 2008, because I decided that I couldn't stand voting for the lesser of two evils any longer. Therefore, I did not vote for either McCain or Obama. With this particular election, however, I feel that just because we're in a Blue States doesn't mean that we're especially safe. Most of the state turned Red and voted for Charlie Baker, and the majority of those votes were out in the 'burbs and the boonies, especially in the route I-495 area. They voted Charlie Baker in, because they don't depend on the T at all.
Back to the subject at hand: Back in 2008, during the POTUS Election, I wrote in my own ticket: A Bernie Sanders/Dennis Kucinich Ticket, rather than vote for either Obama or McCain.. In 2012, during the POTUS, I voted for Jill Stein of the Green Party, rather than vote for Obama or Romney.
Right now, unfortunately, although I'd planned to either vote for Jill Stein again, or write in Bernie Sanders for POTUS, I feel that there's far too much at stake during this POTUS Election year, so I will probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite my deep, deep reservations about her.
I get that, but...
By Malcolm Tucker
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 10:43am
I really doubt that there's any chance HRC won't win Massachusetts handily. She cleaned up in every major-ish city in the state, and I don't think the Bernie voters here would be all that likely to fall into the fabled Sanders-to-Trump category. It's worth keeping an eye on the polls, just to be sure, but a bunch of rich suburbanites voting for Chucking Farlie is one thing; I don't really think Trump will find that kind of support here.
For my part, I'll probably just write someone in. Stein is a goofball. Johnson too. Trump is chaotic evil. Clinton is lawful evil. My vote for president doesn't matter in this state, so I'm not going to bother making even the symbolic gesture of taking any of the candidates seriously.
Posted one hour earlier:
By erik g
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:24pm
Posted one hour earlier: news that there's an unhealthy amount of lead in much of the local drinking water.
Coincidence?
I miss Qween Amor.
By Felicity
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:32pm
I miss Qween Amor.
Seeing an increasing number
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 2:48pm
Seeing an increasing number of pickup trucks driving around the greater Boston area with a trio of large flags flying off the back: Trump, Confederate and Tea Party... disheartening.
I'm calling bullshit
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:35pm
On that claim, confederate flags, ya ok.
Drive Morissey Blvd
By Marco
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:23am
Inbound on the morning commute. You'll see one of em. Every. Day.
I took photos and video.
By anon
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:13am
I took photos and video. Would you like to see them? Adam, can I post a pic even tho I'm an anon?
You can, with a proviso
By adamg
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:25pm
You have to first post them somewhere else (Flickr, imgur, whatever), then you can use the img or youtube tags to embed the photo here. Or if you want, you can e-mail me one of the images and I can post (not the video, though, I suspect it would not get through my e-mail server).
This is what democracy looks like
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 3:52pm
He's hurting nobody, his sign is respectful, and he has every right to do what he is doing to try to persuade people to vote for his favored candidate.
Not any different than all the sign holders at major intersections near election days.
And look at that big ol smile
By MattyC
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:00pm
And look at that big ol smile!
I found your post refreshing.
By Patricia - not ...
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:36pm
I found your post refreshing. The thing that makes me sick about this election is hearing and reading (here included) how people turn upon each other. People that vote Trump have every right to do so without being verbally assaulted. I am not a Trump voter, nor a Clinton voter. To me there is nothing to brag about voting for either one. But watching people insult others this election makes me turn it all off.
I am sure there are more neighbors and friends voting Trump but are afraid to say so, here in "tolerant" Massachusetts. And that pisses me off.
Yes, and as noted ...
By adamg
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:53pm
I went up and talked to him (after he gave me that thumb's up), and was polite and he seemed to be in good spirits. Win, win all around, democracy is served, civility is maintained. We're not heathens, my good lady.
Spirited
By KSquared
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:51am
I saw him by Legacy Place last night, and he was having a very spirited discussion with the SUV next to me. Couldn't quite tell if he was loudly agreeing or getting very angry with the driver, and the light changed before I could roll my window down to see.
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