![Trump supporter in Copley Square](https://universalhub.com/files/styles/main_image_-_bigger/public/images/2016/trumpguy.jpg)
This Dedham resident says he's been coming up to Copley Square since May to show his support for the Republican nominee. He says most people ignore him, some take his photo, some give him the finger and a few wave. As we spoke, a woman in her 30s came up to him with a big smile, exclaimed "I'm going to vote for Trump, too!" "Tell your husband!" he exhorted her, then started yelling to passersby, as the Opera Singer Guy continued to belt out a song about 40 feet away: "A million-dollar woman! We've got a million-dollar woman right here!"
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This is going to be an enjoyable November.
By bulgingbuick
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:03pm
I've been saying for years that the right wing media machine, talk radio Faux Newts et al have poisoned politics only to have Wingnut talk show host Charlie Sykes validate the obvious with these charming thoughts:
“We’ve basically eliminated any of the referees, the gatekeepers. There’s nobody. Let’s say that Donald Trump basically makes whatever you want to say, whatever claim he wants to make. And everybody knows it’s a falsehood, The big question of my audience, it is impossible for me to say that. By the way, you know it’s false. And they’ll say, Why? I saw it on Allen B. West. Or they’ll say, ‘I saw it on a Facebook page.’ And I’ll say, ‘The New York Times did a fact check.’ And they’ll say, Oh, that’s The New York Times. That’s bullshit. There’s got to be a reckoning on all this. We’ve created this monster. Look, I’m a conservative talk show host. All conservative talk show hosts have basically established their brand as being contrasted with the mainstream media. So we have spent 20 years demonizing the liberal mainstream media. And by the way, a lot has been justifiable. There is real bias. But, at a certain point you wake up and you realize you have destroyed the credibility of any credible outlet out there.”
Even Snopes is now considered
By R Hookup
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 6:09pm
Even Snopes is now considered too liberal to be an honest broker.
Walked past him at lunch, he
By cscott
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:25pm
Walked past him at lunch, he was being universally ignored by the people on the street. Someone honked which he took as an affirmative and announced, "Boston just turned Republican folks!" He seemed like he was hoping for people to get into with him, he had a smirk like a dad who enjoys farting in front of his kids.
Hmmm...
By John-W
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:04pm
...given the candidate, I'd say it's more of a shart.
now you name me ONE DAD
By Gas Dad
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 6:49pm
You name me ONE dad to DOESN'T enjoy farting in front of his kids.
I can't believe anyone's voting for either of these two morons
By Stevil
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 4:32pm
I'd vote for Jill Stein before either of them - and plan to vote for Gary Johnson.
You don't get the government you want - you get the government you deserve.
#crookvcrackpot2016
Doesn't matter
By cw in boston
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 6:19pm
if you vote for Stein or Johnson--you'll get Trump or Clinton.
Does matter
By Stevil
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 6:36pm
a) to me
and b) it won't be my fault when Hillary wins and we have 4 more years of gridlock or Trump wins and we have 4 years of chaos
I've voted for many people that lost the race. No regrets - I vote for the person I think can do the best job - and history has generally proven me right one way or the other.
I never meant
By cw in boston
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 8:10pm
that it would not matter to you personally, only that the end result will be Trump or Clinton and we will all have to live with that.
But it's always fun to play the "what if" game.
If everyone
By Marco
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:26am
who thinks like you voted for a third party candidate their views align with the GOP and Dems would die a quick death.
I too will be voting 3rd party. The major parties need to see in real numbers the votes they are losing.
The RSVP to the reception
By erik g
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:28am
has two options. Chicken, and fish. In a pique of righteous rage, you can try writing in "steak" under the two checkboxes, but it's not gonna make a whole lot of difference.
A third-party vote this election is an explicit declaration that you trust the rest of the voting public to make the right choice. That's, uh, an interesting solution to the Kobayashi Maru, cadet.
Who's got the pique?
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 11:14am
The statement is neutrally worded: I intend to vote for so-and-so because logical, rational reasons. You label this as "a pique of righteous rage". Who in this exchange is being an irrational and judgmental?
Seriously, you "if you vote for X YOU'RE ELECTING Y AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT" types need to get back on your medication. Sure, you can make a rational argument that a vote for a third-party candidate is unlikely to have any effect, but you're not doing that. You're projecting and name-calling and claiming motives for which you have no basis and condescending and generally acting like a bunch of raging assholes at every possible opportunity. You are welcome to your convictions, but that's not what this is about: it's about your judgment of other people, and your fearless resolution to ignore anything they might say about what they think or intend, because of course you know better. God forbid you should take the opportunity to learn something and examine your own assumptions.
While we're at it
By erik g
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 8:32am
the third party candidates this cycle are especially terrible. Gary Johnson is head-trauma crazy, and the big-L Libertarian Party in the US is a circus sideshow that has lost all sight of little-L libertarian principles. Jill Stein is an M.D. who is anti-vaccination, and the Green platform is less coherent than Trump's. If you're at the point where you're not going to vote for one of the big two, you might as well write in Markkk, or Mickey Mouse.
Head trauma crazy?
By Stevil
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 9:17am
Explain. And if you want head trauma crazy - Trump is the clinical definition. Hillary is just a plain crook. Not saying Gary Johnson is my first choice of the 325 million Americans - he's just head and shoulders above the unaccomplished spineless jellyfish the Dems are offering and the certifiably insane narcissist the Republicans have put up.
As for chicken and fish - you can serve them. I don't have to eat them.
Can Johnson win? Not easy - but here is how it happens:
a) he gets into the debates (polling at 10 - needs 15 to get in - an endorsement from say a Romney which isn't out of the question probably gets him to 12 - maybe 13 - still needs another 2-3).
b) Johnson wins a handful of states depriving both major party candidates of 270 electoral votes (he is apparently already threatening that in 2 western states).
c) the current House of representatives then votes for president which assures one thing - Hillary is not president. Then it comes down to Republicans either holding their nose and voting for a crazy man with an R after his name or Johnson. 50-50 on which way that goes. (the senate picks the Vice President which means Pence gets that nod).
Crazy? Convoluted - absolutely. But crazier things have already happened in this election cycle so I wouldn't count it out just yet.
The key is if you vote for one of two candidates "because they can win" you are an idiot and get what you deserve (take your pick - gridlock v. Cuckoo's Nest). We the electorate are essentially a board picking a CEO. You vote for the person that can do the best job among the choices available. We have one loose cannon, one ethically challenged candidate that has demonstrated extraordinarily poor judgment time and again in positions of responsibility and a former governor with a decent track record (that doesn't support all the fringe stuff that the Libertarians do).
Johnson isn't my first pick of all Americans - he's just the best of the 3. And sadly has the least chance of winning.
I am not
By Manny
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:08am
I am not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton but I will be voting for her in November as of today. I do have a question though, I keep reading and hearing that Hillary Clinton is a crook. What exactly has she been convicted of that makes her a crook ? Or is it that she has been accused of being a crook and that is enough to in fact make her a crook ?
Just because you get away with it...
By Stevil
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 11:21am
...doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime.
At the very best she is a highly unethical person. In my opinion (and even the opinion of some I know in law enforcement) she would certainly have stood trial and likely been convicted of several things had she not been the wife of the (ex)-President.
Whitewater
Futures trading
Removal of items from the White House
Email coverups
Conflict of interest violations
She skated - BARELY on a number of these on technicalities/"missing" evidence. Even if you don't think she's a crook - these and other issues show that despite the fact that she's a brilliant person (and I believe that), she has repeatedly shown horrible judgment (in addition to most of the above add her original health care plan, Iraq war, Benghazi and our foreign policy under her in general (Syria, Libya, Egypt, ISIS) - I'm sure others can add more.
With such a horrendous track record - why would anyone vote for her.
Don't get me wrong - 12-18 months ago I was going to vote for her - when I did my research on this stuff I realized she's a) not a good or remotely honest person and b) hasn't accomplished anything significant in 25 years of "public service" and c) shows tremendous lack of judgment illustrated by the above. And that's before you even touch politics.
* Searches Google: Define crime*
By Lily
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:29pm
"crime
krīm/
noun
noun: crime; plural noun: crimes
an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law."
So sorry to put reason into your rant. Carry on.
#sorrynotsorry
Semantics
By Stevil
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 2:10pm
Are important
"an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law"
Note the word "may". It's there for a very specific reason. Due to government regulations I pay close attention to that word every day - and use it frequently in my writing. It is EXTREMELY important to keep me out of jail (or at least civil court) in almost everything I do.
Just because the government "may" not prosecute a case for a number of reasons (inadequate evidence, untrustworthy witnesses or a vaguely written law for example), does not mean a crime wasn't committed. In fact, the FBI concluded that in Hillary's email case a crime "may" have been committed, but due to the difficulty in proving "intent", no competent prosecutor would bring the case (now my question is how does anyone ever prove intent). This is how the Hillary gets away with stuff.
You may not think she's a crook. But there's no question she (and her husband who I think was actually a pretty good president), have highly dubious ethical standards. We don't need another Nixon in the White House.
Hasn't she
By Manny
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 3:06pm
Hasn't she been investigated by the US congress many times over ? I would think a body with the resources of the US congress could have found something on her after all these years and investigations. I am not trying to sway a vote here, as I stated earlier I am not a huge fan of her's. I am voting against Trump more than for her (I know I could vote Stein or Johnson). I just think that as lbb stated she is good at being a politician and if she were a man I do doubt that he would have the "crooked" label in front of his name. The fact is that she has never even been indited for a crime and yet has the label of "Crooked" . You can speculate all you want on what she may or may not have done to earn that label but for me it is kind of tired. If she is a crook, show me evidence and I will agree.
P.S I do not totally disagree with your assessment of her judgement,but to me Trump is so bad that I will mark for "Upstanding" Hillary !! Lol
Actually once I believe
By Stevil
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 4:15pm
I think the only thing that she was investigated for by Congress was Benghazi - and I would agree - that was a bit of a witch hunt. I don't expect my secretary of state to be making those kinds of low level decisions (although, again, not a crime, but I think her judgment in handling the aftermath was horrendous).
She and Bill have been investigated by special prosecutors, the FBI and more - which makes you wonder - you don't see this happening to other people. I may not agree with Bernie's or Barack's politics - but they are ethical people and sincere in their ideals. Can't say either of those things about Hillary (I don't know if she knows what her ideals are other than she supports anything that will get her votes).
This is the thing I find interesting. For every person I find that will vote for Johnson - 3-4 are voting for either Hillary or Trump. Like you, most are not voting for their candidate as much as against the other. When I ask them how they could vote for either of them rather than Johnson, they say because Johnson can't win - which is the biggest knock they seem to have on him (the biggest knock I can find on him is he's a horrible public speaker and I have questions about a couple of his policies - like the impact of a VAT - but Congress can put a check on that like they will with Don and Hill's crazier ideas).
If all these people said I'm voting for the best candidate of the three - whether or not they could win - Johnson would literally take 50-60% of the vote. But he "can't win". So he'll get about 10%.
Now that's crazy.
Lazy shorthand
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 11:26am
Probably most of it comes from Trump's childish name-calling ("Crooked Hillary"), but it's not as if "crook" hasn't been used time and again to refer to politicians who are perceived to be, let's say, overly guided by certain influences -- even if that influence is perfectly legal.
My opinion is that Hillary Clinton has worked very hard to get very good at a game that is technically legal but morally as crooked as they come. It's an unanswerable question whether a man with the same background would have attracted this scrutiny or that label: I don't think you can argue that she hasn't come in for an unusual degree of scrutiny over the course of her political career, and I think a good bit of that comes from sexist double standards, but at the same time I think we are at a point where certain things are coming to a head. Citizens United plus income inequality plus a number of other factors equals a public policy that really, no really, is not about the needs of ordinary Americans. Let that go on long enough, and the impact is deep enough and wide enough that it can no longer be ignored. And so, you get a lot of people sayubg "crook", even if they're talking about currently legal practices.
(if this is a subject of concern to you, you might want to visit http://represent.us - I like their take on things)
Amen, brother
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 11:17am
Amen, brother. There are a number of factors that got us to this sorry state, but one that IMO looms large is the persistent, stubborn inability of the average American to imagine more than two choices, to pretty much anything that matters in life. A menu of fifty seven flavors of chicken wings, that we can deal with, but politics? It's chocolate or vanilla and if you want strawberry you can just move to France or something.
Most people can count beyond 2
By Lily
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:24pm
I can certainly imagine more than 2 choices, but I am not naive enough to believe that change can happen by choosing a third party candidate in a national Presidential election. Change starts at the local level.
People who insist that their vote for a 3rd party candidate in the Presidential election tend to strike me as not particularly well-informed about the particulars of civics. And particularly in this election when there's so much at stake - because of circumstances in my life I've already been told by Trump supporters that they hope he wins and forces my family to leave the US on more than one occasion (and I am a US citizen by birth) - in this election, a voter choosing a 3rd party candidate takes their naivete to a level more akin to arrogance and privilege.
I actually have something to lose if Trump becomes President. I do not have the luxury of voting for anyone other than Hillary. I am firmly with her.
Speaking of people who insist that...
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 4:58pm
People who insist that they know why other people are voting as they are, without bothering to 1)ask and 2)listen to the answer, tend to strike me as proudly, willfully ignorant, and even less informed about the particulars of civics than those they are criticizing.
Try this next time:
1)Ask, using open and neutral language. If you say shit like, "Why are you stomping and pouting and having a tantrum with your third party vote for someone you know will never make it just because you trust ME to do the right thing?", then you fail at discourse and you should just admit you're not up to it.
2)Listen to the answer. Don't interrupt. Don't respond at all. Listen to ALL the answer. Don't say any, "But don't you think.." because if you do that, you just pretty much demonstrated that you didn't listen, and you were only waiting for the opportunity to pounce with your strawman.
3)Say "Thank you." No one owes you an answer, and given how rude people like you have been, you should be grateful if you get one.
4)Go away and think about the answer, by yourself.
You either want dialogue, or you don't. If you do, you have to ask for other points of view, and you have to listen to them. If all you want to do is make up stories about them that suit your world-view, that's just selfish ego gratification.
Yuck
By MattyC
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 5:39pm
This is gross. And I'm a certified asshole.
Cool story, bro
By Lily
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 8:52am
I see I struck a raw nerve with you, lbb. Maybe in one of your numerous posts on this thread you would like to use just one of them to explain the reasons you're supporting your candidate. And if you could also explain why you think the current electoral system will allow for a third party win, that would be just fantastic. Even better: tell me why your reaction was so visceral to my suggestion that supporting third party candidates from the local level-up is the path to actual change.
Another one who can't read
By lbb
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 9:43am
You didn't, "bro" - you completely missed anything resembling a point and you continue to do so with this comment. Let's take a look at your word choice:
"And if you could also explain why you think the current electoral system will allow for a third party win, that would be just fantastic."
Tell you what, Lily, if you could explain why you think that the US should prioritize manned space exploration, that would be just fantastic. So get on it. Oh, what's that you say? You haven't said anything about supporting manned space exploration, and so it's nonsense for me to ask you to defend that position? Well whaddya know.
Work on that listening thing, Lily, it'll take you far.
Voting for the Lesser Evil
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 1:33pm
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/noam-chomsky...
- Noam Chomsky (my emphasis)
Oh really?
By lbb
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 5:00pm
Voting for the lesser of two evils is what got us where we are. What do you have to say about that? And what are YOU doing to change things?
There are a couple of things that i take issue with Jill Stein
By mplo
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 1:29pm
There are at least a couple of things that I take issue with Jill Stein on, however:
A) Her positions on an appropriate solution for the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian debacle; She's in favor of a one-state solution, while i believe that the two-state solution (i. e. Israel pulling her troops and right-wing Jewish settlers out of West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem and allowing the Palestinians in those territories to create their own independent, sovereign, Palestinian-majority State.) is the safest, sanest and most sensible and practical solution to the Israelii-Palestinian debacle.
B) Unlike me, Jill Stein is anti-vaccine, which, imho, is a very dangerous position, because it endangers people, and presents a true-blue public health issue, if one gets the drift.
It's not that simple or that benign
By Anon.
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 5:46pm
Yes, we're a democracy (or republic, actually), and that can be messy. But Trump is not just another candidate like Bob Dole or Gerald Ford. It's not a question of simply disagreeing with another candidate's positions. Trump has absolutely no qualifications for being president, and, more frightening, his only interest is promoting his brand by any means possible. He says whatever comes into his head, and his followers, all enraged for different reasons, don't care what he stands for as long as they can latch on to him as a representative of their anger. He's a dangerous man and would do enormous damage to our country. What I find particularly troubling is the mainstream Republicans, who should know better, but are supporting him because he's the nominee of their party. The damage Trump will do seems to be less important to them that some superficial notion of party loyalty. I think it's all going to hinge on voter turnout. You can be sure that the Trump fans are going to be voting enthusiastically, so I hope the people who abhor Trump will be in line that Tuesday, as well.
Never saw this type of
By anon
Tue, 08/16/2016 - 6:33pm
Never saw this type of visible support for McCain or Romney.
He belongs in New Hampshire,
By Chris77
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 7:28am
He belongs in New Hampshire, a swing state. Some people are calling it "asinine" that Trump is holding rallies in non-swing states like CT.
People in Connecticut contribute campaign money.
By bulgingbuick
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:20am
The people panicking about Donnie little hands are the same people that realize they bet on the wrong horse and now they're looking for an excuse. "Campaigning in the wrong state", "they will steal the election", "main stream media bias"...
I'm still waiting
By erik g
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 10:35am
for a Palin-esque "I can see my penthouse from here!" moment from Il Douche when he's campaigning down in Fairfield County.
That said, I am 100% in favor of his quixotic tefforts in New England. Go get those 2 electoral votes in Maine, Donald! Throw all your money at Connecticut and its rich meaty six EVs. Keep on campaigning in Massachusetts, so you can keep the margin of defeat below 30 points. Don't worry your pretty little head about Virginia, Florida, Ohio, or North Carolina, which you're presently poised to lose by double-digits. Certainly don't concern yourself with something silly like Mississippi, Arkansas, and Texas (!) showing you polling within the margin of error.
Predictions in a President Trump World
By Former South Ender
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 9:59am
I have seen presidents come and go in my greater than half century life.
It is sort of like the old expression: "same $h!t different day"
Imagine if Trump is the president.
What do you think will happen?
How will it change your daily lives?
Will you still get up in the morning and go to work?
Will you still have to pay taxes?
Will you still take a week off and go to the Cape?
Now imagine President H. Clinton.
Will your answers be that different?
OK, I'll play
By Lily
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 12:46pm
OK, I will play your game.
Imagine if Trump is the president.
What do you think will happen? I will have to leave the country. Three separate people I've known since childhood have already told me my family will no longer be welcome here. I WAS BORN IN BOSTON. But: reality, not a Thing to them. So, change #1.
How will it change your daily lives? Well, I'll be living in another country, apparently. So, yep: that's a change to my daily life. (And yes, I have actual plans and know what country and town I'd be going to; this isn't a joke for my community.) So, change #2.
Will you still get up in the morning and go to work? Not at first; I don't have a new job lined up yet, but yes, eventually I'll be working. Probably at a blue-collar job since I'll be an immigrant. I have a white-collar job now. So, change #3
Will you still have to pay taxes? In another country? Yep. I haven't decided if I'll revoke my US citizenship, but Trump has said he'll revoke dual citizenship so I suppose the US wouldn't be getting my taxes anymore. I plan to take all my money with me to the other country and fully cut ties. Change #4.
Will you still take a week off and go to the Cape? I don't do this now, and couldn't under everything I've laid out above.
Now imagine President H. Clinton.
Will your answers be that different?
I get to stay in the US? I change all my answers above, and my life not at all (with god's good grace).
This is election is not a joke. Stop acting like it is.
I love you and your parents.
By MattyC
Wed, 08/17/2016 - 2:58pm
I love you and your parents.
For your argument to be valid
By Former South Ender
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 8:51am
For your argument to be valid, it would require a change to the 14th amendment. That is not something a President can do. It would require a vote from congress. (highly unlikely)
So either way if it is Hillary or Donald.... we would love to have you stay in Boston and continue to be a productive member of society. Ohh and try taking a few days off and go to the Cape it is rather pleasant. If you go in September the rates do down considerably.
Having to leave the country
By lbb
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 10:03am
Let me start by saying that I do not, in the least, question your choices. If leaving the country is what you feel you must do, then it's what you must do. However, on the subject of no longer being welcome here -- that's not a new thing for some of us, and it won't change no matter who is elected. If you're a gay person in America, a Donald Trump election won't be telling you that you're not welcome any more than Bill Clinton told you you were unwelcome when he signed DOMA in 1996. It won't be telling you that you're not welcome any more than the signing of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 1993 did, or the nineteen so-called "religious freedom" laws that have since been enacted. If you're a gay person in America, you found out that you weren't welcome but were grudgingly tolerated by the statements of numerous politicians both left and right whose thinking grudgingly "evolved" on same-sex marriage -- the same politicians who turn a blind eye to the lack of federal guarantees of civil rights for gay people.
So no, I don't question your conclusions or your decision. I merely point out that for some people, what you fear has already happened, has been a part of their landscapes their whole lives. A Trump election won't change that. The current passion for "religious freedom" laws didn't start with Trump and it doesn't gain any steam from him. And there's nowhere to run to.
Thanks for playing
By Lily
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 11:02am
Nope, not gay. And I'm not operating under the delusion that life is not difficult in America for a lot of people.
Trump will make life harder for a lot of people. My life has so far been pretty free of explicit discrimination. But his candidacy has already emboldened more than one person to be xenophobic, racist, and anti-Semitic to me. Though I've long been public about my political beliefs, this is the first election when people have felt comfortable expressing their horrible views publicly - and on a personal level - to my face.
Those people probably always were that way, but they've now shed their hyperbolic rocks and feel comfortable being horrible in public. And not one of them has been aware that they are racist, xenophobic, or anti-Semitic, nor will they admit it when called on it. They are angry, and willing to act on their anger, but they're not self-aware enough to understand their emotions. I can not share a society with them. Beyond that, the people who have said these things have explicitly told me that they're voting for Trump so people like my family will have to leave. I have an example to follow: from my grandparents who did leave Poland in time and from the rest of their families who did not.
Laws may or may not be enacted. I don't think Trump supporters understand civics well enough to understand that his suggestions will only happen with Congressional and Judicial support for overturning Constitutional amendments. That does not, however, mean that they will not make life very unpleasant if he's the President. History leads by example, after all. "It can't happen here" is only true if people choose to stop that history from repeating.
If just hearing my story makes you uncomfortable perhaps you can join me in loudly rejecting Trump's ideas and those of his supporters each and every time they say something illogical, or hateful.
I predict that, in the event of a Trump Presidency,
By mplo
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 9:53am
everybody here in the United States will really be at each other's throats.
A) All the old religious, ethnic and racial and class hatreds that have occurred or still do occur here in the United States will be re-kindled with a vengeance, and the constantly-occurring racial/religious hatreds will be even more intensified. Americans of every race, ethnicity, religion and sexual orientation, regardless of color, will be at each other's throats with a vengeance., including even the various white European American ethnic/religious groups in this country (i. e. Irish vs. the Italians, Catholics vs. Protestants, Jews vs. non-Jews, etc.), the rich vs. the poor, etc..
You mean we aren't already?
By Patricia - not ...
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 11:14am
You mean we aren't already?
It's only that way if you want it to be :)
I'm not saying that at all, Patricia.
By mplo
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 4:19pm
What I am saying, however, is that the United States is full of contradictions. On the one hand, yeh, there still is a great deal of religious, racial, ethnic and class bigotry. On the other hand, however, there's also a substantial amount of intreating, falling in love, and even intermarriage between various racial, ethnic, religious and racial groups, as well as among the various socioeconomic classes here in the United States.
There were times, however, when various intergroup tensions and enmities used to be even worse than they are now, and a Trump Presidency may very well cause this country to revert back to such times. Not what we'd want.
ugh
By John-W
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 10:53am
81 days, 13 hours and 7 minutes more of this shit.
But who's counting?
By Scratchie
Thu, 08/18/2016 - 10:59am
But who's counting?
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