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Protesters at the State House: Not our president
By adamg on Wed, 11/09/2016 - 8:14pm
Anti-Trump protestors moving on now past state house @universalhub pic.twitter.com/fobPWqJ4a1
— Jean Nagy (@jeannagy) November 10, 2016
Jean Nagy attended an anti-Trump rally and march outside the State House this evening. Above, they're chanting "my body, my choice." Below, they're chanting something a bit harsher:
F-Trump protestors reaching state house #boston @universalhub pic.twitter.com/alnOY61flL
— Jean Nagy (@jeannagy) November 10, 2016
The cops arrived before the protesters:
At the Parkman Bandstand:
This deserves national attention. Boston Common, MA. @universalhub @cbsboston @MSNBC pic.twitter.com/ywnTY7IzYw
— Kate (@kategwilt) November 10, 2016
There was also a protest against the DAPL pipeline project in the Dakotas, which Tom Griffiths videoed:
#NoDAPL protest snaking through #BostonCommon. This is a mere fraction. @universalhub pic.twitter.com/EpAFvhtP2d
— Tom Griffiths (@FlashTheGap) November 9, 2016
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Here's the thing...
Bernie bros voted for Trump.
Do you have stats for that?
(-- signed, a Bernie Bro from Somerville)
Definitions
I believe "Berniebros" were originally those who said they would never vote for Clinton. Lately, it's been used much more broadly, often by Clintonites trying to shame all Sanders supporters. You might want to think twice before describing yourself as one...
The use of "BernieBros" by
The use of "BernieBros" by disappointed Clinton supporters matches the 2008 Clinton supporters trying to disparage Obama supporters by calling the "Obama Boys".
http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/
Note
Both were entirely fictional in the same manner that O'Keefe videos are entirely fictional - hired actors, etc.
Maybe in Massachusetts, or
Maybe in Massachusetts, or California - safe states where protest votes are purely protest - but out in swing country more of them either bit the bullet or just didn't show up, period.
Nice to see a good turn out.
This morning and moving forward it must be real tough to be:
a woman
part of the LGBT community
Black, Latino...Person of any color really.
Disabled
I fully support you even though I don't belong to any of those groups.
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
forgot..
muslims also.
I am sure there will be more groups to add over the next four years.
Not my President?
Although I didn't vote for him, I recall being hopeful for Obama uniting the country, stopping the seas from rising etc. Broken promises. Sad to see the far-left unable to accept the results of a Republican presidency, Senate and House and even more Governors. He not only defeated Mrs. Clinton but her enablers in the corrupt media. The protesters may not know it but this was a win for all Americans. God Bless America, President-elect Trump, Senate and House!
11 stages of acceptance
Don't rub it in, just have to let these people get through it.
God bless.....
You left out our new Russian overlords.
We actually have a chance for
We actually have a chance for peace with Russia now!
Fish, you make way too much
Fish, you make way too much sense...
Well said.
Think about it.... We just
Think about it.... We just elected someone who has ABSOLUTELY NO EXPERIENCE in government. Who LIES to your face. Who abuses his power with ANYONE he can. Takes advantage of ANY situation to HIS BENEFIT ONLY.
Wait s second
Other than the very first part, didn't you just describe pretty much every single politician out there? As far as relevant political experience you'd look for in a politician goes, Trump has plenty - he has a pulse, he sat in a chair for many years, and he got paid a lot for it.
Think about it
What the hell was Obama in 2008, and how has he acted while in office? You just describe someone you probably voted for TWICE!
"What was Obama in 2008?"
He was a US Senator. Trump is an out-of-work reality-TV host, and a frequently-bankrupted businessman. There's not very much commonality there.
President Obama was a newer
President Obama was a newer junior Senator with a very limited voting record (present doesnt count) on which people could base their opinion on.
He was against Gay Marriage at the time, that we know. I only say that because I would think many people would've been turned off by that.
"I only say that..."
You only say that because you're a concern troll who has zero interest in the welfare of gay people.
It's also interesting that you have a low opinion of Obama's too-limited voting record, while defending a man who has no voting record at all.
Actually, Hillary lied under
Actually, Hillary lied under oath and to everyone about a lot more things and more serious things!
Thanks DNC!
She was the single most toxic candidate nominated in the last 40 years.
Special thanks to Wasserman-Schultz, Donna Brasile, and all the other unindicted co-conspirators.
In the words of Walt Kelly: We have met the enemy and they are us.
Exactly
The best guy on either side this cycle was Jim Webb. I would have voted for him in a heartbeat. But he didn't stand a chance against the Democratic Party establishment.
No way.
Lawrence Lessig.
I will never understand
I will never understand why people feel the need to put Obama's middle name so front and center. Like who the heck cares if he has a funky middle name? Xenophobes? His whole name is kinda funny by a lot of peoples standards. People didn't seem to see the need to put it there outside of W. for Bush. I have no idea what John McCain or Romney's middle name is, Mitch McConnel, Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, New Gingrich, Ken Starr, ect and nobody said Bill Jefferson Clinton outside of official swearing in or legal proceedings. Iunno just seems to sort of imply something which I am not quite sure what it is.
I believe Romney's middle name is Mitt
Not that I would give him a second thought after his despicable treatment of President-elect Trump, but I believe Romney's real name has often been mentioned as Willard Mitt Romney. We also have the oft-mentioned middle name of John Forbes Kerry whose ancestors changed the name from the Jewish "Kohn" replacing it with the name of one of Ireland's most popular counties. We've also had Dwight David Eisenhower. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. John Quincy Adams. That's just from memory. Barack Hussein Obama is his name. What's the problem?
The lefties get a little touchy, you see
when you poke fun at their names.
It's only OK when they poke fun at ours, of course.
I always thought Wilson
I always thought Wilson Pickett was a cool name,
fdr, jfk, lbj...
john quincy adams, william howard taft (I went to taft) , richard milhous nixon, george h and george w
Exactly! Just like the Republican Congress accepted Obama.
We should follow their generous example upon Obama's election.
Whoosh
Fish's quote is from the speech Obama gave to a meeting of the Republicans he called shortly after being inaugurated where he famously told them that because he had a mandate to turn back the oceans and they didn't have a filibuster, he was going to dictate terms and was not going to negotiate.
That's the sort of thing that really goes to your heart, doesn't it? Being told to STFD and STFU. Gives me the warm and fuzzies just thinking about it.
Yep, nothing says a great
Yep, nothing says a great nation like thousands of people losing access to healthcare and the dismantling of the EPA keeping pollutants out of our drinking water. Reneging on international agreements the country has committed to even if personally disliked by Republicans really shows that Strong American Character.
A lot of people are going to suffer, quite badly, and in ways they're not expecting. You don't have to like Clinton but pretending this is anything but disastrous is disingenuous.
This kind of hyperbole has no
This kind of hyperbole has no use in adult conversations. If you have children, I hope you don't push your fears onto them.
You know nothing but are speculating.
Just stop.
Not speculation
The Drumpf outlined these as PRIORITIES for IMMEDIATE action.
I'd like some of the drugs that you were using when you missed that part of your favored Savior's spiel.
Hyperbole how?
Trump said he'll end the ACA. There will be nothing to replace it except the laughably-termed "free market". How is this hyperbole?
Trump and Ryan have repealing
Trump and Ryan have repealing Obamacare on their 100 day plans. Trump has said he wants to end EPA regulations on coal and other pollutants. His planned appointment to the head of the agency is a climate change denier.
If you have children I hope you apologize to them every night for the burned out husk of a planet you're planning on leaving them. Disgusting ignorance.
Platform
That's his platform. Destroy the EPA, leave NAFTA, repeal Obamacare. What part of that is hyperbole?
No one suffered? What country have you been living in?
Wages have been flat. Home ownership is at historic lows. Millions of people have given up hope of being back in the workforce. And there's an untold number of those who have given up the notion of ever owning a home or would dare to get a mortgage to buy one. For 8 years, people who have raised legitimate questions about administration policies have been flagged as racist by those on the left.
Yet, since the ACA, I have been through 4 different health plans in 5 years because the employers cannot or will not support the escalating costs. My out of pockets are higher - my deductibles make me wonder why I even have health insurance. Did I get to keep my doctor? Yes, but I don't like my doctor - so it's not a win for me.
Meanwhile, have you taken a look at what it costs to feed your family lately? (And I am talking about the food that doesn't make people sick). When the Fed says there's no inflation - they are right - so long as you're not talking about food and fuel. The lack of inflation is not evidence of a strong economy thanks to the policies of an wise administration. It's evidence of the power of denial.
My point is this: your comment, while I defend to my death your right to make it, suggests that we have no been living in the same country. "People are going to suffer." you say. People HAVE been suffering. They are fed up. For me, I don't think I really appreciated my own descent into hopelessness until a glimmer of hope appeared. And it wasn't Trump. It was that the country voted the way it wanted - not the way the media hoped it would. Never did I expect to feel as I did yesterday morning: more hopeful for the future of this country and its people than I have had in 8 long years.
And PS: Some may give Obama credit for being the "gay president" - but let's be fair, the Mass SJC and the US Supreme Court get the kudos for that. As a gay man, I'm happier because of their actions - not this administration's. And at the risk of dredging up the past: President Clinton threw the gays under the bus barely a month into office. It's beyond disingenuous to suggest that Mrs. Clinton mindset would be any different. Don't Ask - Don't Tell - Don't Forget.
I love it...
Watching democracy in action is so inspiring. Protesting is something the older generation has become apathetic to. They only enjoy sitting at a counter at DD's complaining to their friends about the state of the world and whether the Pats won or not. More power to these people whether you or agree with them or not.
Democracy?
You mean like voting?
Saying that the duly appointed President-elect is not their President and protesting as they are looks like the beginnings of mob rule to me. If Clinton had cared about Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida rather than working on unwinnable states and the results flipped, would you be calling the same march by Trump supporters democracy in action?
For the record, I voted for the same guy Suldog voted for. If we did STV voting, Clinton would have gotten my third preference.
Hillary gave 80 paid speeches
Hillary gave 80 paid speeches in 2013-14 for a total of $18 million.
Hillary had not visited Wisconsin once since April.
Trump lost the popular vote.
Trump lost the popular vote. He is certainly not the choice of the majority, and not even the choice of a plurality. So there's that.
You should visit
Your local middle school and retake civics.
You should visit
Your local grade school and retake second grade math.
You might
Want to call your local congresscritters and ask them to rewrite the constitution.
That way of looking at it is
That way of looking at it is narcissistic. The goal of the election was to spend as little money as possible to win 270 or more many electoral votes. Trump spent half of what Clinton spent and won... and am pretty sure he did it without superpacs. Sweet. My man. After spending double what Trump spent and virtually pledging her soul to the superpac donors, you think someone would have told Clinton that the goal was not to get the majority to vote for her. Maybe she has some leftover campaign money to start a PSA on how elections work in this country, you know, do some good for once in her life.
"Not Clinton" the choice of the majority
According to your logic.
As for not getting the most votes, if you don't know how Presidential elections work, that's an indictment of the educational system. Blame the game, not the players.
Blame the game, not the
Hillary and her supporters with their electoral blame game got her essentially nowhere this election. It is getting her nowhere now. Her strategy to include winning the popular vote failed miserably as an end game thing. Be like Trump and shun the electoral blame game, shun the popularity contest and instead strive to win the electoral game at half the price. That is what makes one a winner. Now if one wants to wallow in victimhood.. well, carry on Hilliary and Hillary supporters. I look forward to seeing who tries hardest to play victim in these coming days. I am guessing it will be the hipster millennials. They are already lamenting some sort of plight of being black or latino. That sort of mindset is like a victim Yahtzee.
(Not directing this towards you personally Waquoit.. just hijacking the use of your sentiment and expanding the reach)
Mob rule indeed. These are
Mob rule indeed. These are same people(students?) who are wanting to self-segregate on college campuses. Demanding safe spaces so their feelings dont get hurt.. If you oppose, you're a racist bigot and must be tarred and feathered. College campuses offering counseling and exemption from exams after Trump won? It would be funny if it wasn't true.
This is how civil society begins to crumble. Whether you like Trump or not, we are one county. United we stand, divided we fall.
LOVE TRUMPS HATE
but let's protest and shout our hatred for Donald Trump.
what an idiot
Go to the OLD state house if you want to know what your liberty derives from.
HINT: it ain't sitting at home at your computer.
Please move back to whatever deplorable place you came from - I hear Trump will be giving out FREE JOBS to rural while males any minute. That will make more room for all the refugees fleeing violence and lynchings here in civil society states.
We can't move back, we're
We can't move back, we're from here!! It's the first of the free jobs! I have one but I know people that are in desperate need! If you're so smart, can you tell me where they sign up?
One Question
Who are they protesting at or to? Protesting without somebody present to respond to the protest seems rather meaningless.
Seriously, is there an end game here?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
You tell me
Is there ever an end game in politics? Or life in general? I am sure they are younger than you are and will be inheriting whatever problems we inherited from previous generations that were ignored or mismanaged. I would love to have seen the comments of the general public throughout the founding of this country, I wonder how many said "Why bother..."
End Game
I won't go into the end game for life in general, as that seems to be a question each person has to address individually.
As for politics, the end game is usually to have your concerns acted upon. In order for that to happen, you have to direct them at somebody. That's why I asked the question: Who are they protesting to or at?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
How to make this constructive
Petition the State House to ask Canada to take in New England as the 11th province.
I doubt Quebec would object much, given that half their population settled here a century ago.
I know it's hard to believe,
I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes people get together to just express how much something means to them, and do not have a long term plan fully formed in mind.
There is no king of the protesters out there controlling everything with a grand vision from up top. True organizing takes place from the grassroots up, and often coalesces days or even weeks after mass demonstrations such as these.
Suldog is right
I see this as a really pointless demonstration. Are they asking for something to happen, or just expressing outrage at something that already happened? The election is over, and cannot be undone. They should channel their energies directly into something they want, like supporting Planned Parenthood, or whatever other thing they believe is threatened. Yelling "Fuck Trump" accomplishes nothing, and persuades no one.
Onetime war protester
Then it's A-OK
Then it's A-OK for you to stay home, sit behind your screen and carp about it.
Not sure I agree with that. In the short time since the election, I've been reaching out to people who have expressed frustration with the results with information on our local progressive activist group. Their frustration and their expression of it lets me know who to reach out to. I expect we'll have a lot of people at our meeting on Sunday. So you see, just because YOU don't get the point (as if there was a single, unified "point" to any protest), doesn't mean that nothing comes out of it. But you already knew that.
Consider it a warm-up or rehearsal
I didn't go, as I felt a need to be in a quieter, smaller, indoor place with people I knew and trusted. But I respect the people who put this together on very short notice. Any organizing that goes on now will become more useful 11 weeks from now when Trump is actually president.
One answer
I was marching against the war in Vietnam several times between 1968 and 1974. Our end game was to stop the war. I am not physically up to it any more, but I admire the anti Trump protesters and although there may not be a clear end game now, virtually everything about the Trump agenda is frightening, hateful, and irresponsible. I think the protests last night may have been more about general anger, but as we see what Trumps real priorities are the protests will become more focused on specific issues.
OK, This I Like
Not that you need my like, but I like your answer. I understand it, and I thank you for addressing the question.
I've taken part in protests in my day. I'm a bit younger than you, so a Vietnam protest isn't in my resume, but I was on the Common back when the first Gulf War was underway and there were other protests, for/against various things, both before and since. But what you stated is what I was getting at - it's mostly unfocused. Shouting "Fuck Trump" accomplishes NOTHING except the venting itself. Maybe that's important, but it's also damn scary to those of us who don't necessarily agree with Trump but do value peace.
Once there are protests about specific issues, I may have some admiration for the protests. At the moment, I don't see any good coming from it and the possibility exists for grievous wrong.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
One view
I like Patton Oswalt's take on it:
"Guys, the #TrumpProtests aren't "riots." They're to assure a nervous planet Earth that we'll go against him if he tries something crazy."
Elections Schedule: 2016-2022
Dear Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts,
Please improve, make easier to use, make more understandable your table "Statewide Office Elections Schedule: 2016-2022" at
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/elesched/schedidx.htm
Say goodbye to Government
Say goodbye to Government funding city of Boston , next 4 years will mean cuts, less money for road repair, tree replacements, sidewalk repairs, social services, new emergency equipment for Boston Fire and EMS and BPD , remember when Reagan was in office between 1980 -1986 what Boston was like , remember proposition 2 1/2 , those days may return under the Trump Administration.
I look forward to voting for Justin Trudeau
Either as a new Canadian or resident of the Province of New England.
Em
Most intergovernmental fund transfers to Boston come from the Commonwealth, so not quite. For example, Prop 2 1/2 was a state initiative, so Reagan had nothing to do with that.
Nice try, though.
Not sure that you know this ...
But Boston not only gets a lot of federal grants, but also hosts a number of federal offices.
All along we were thinking
All along we were thinking Baker would be the killer of the GLX... But it'll actually be Trump! WHAT A TWIST
Except
One thing that Trump has been hammering at that no one reported is that he wants to the feds to ramp up infrastructure spending, so GLX might have a better chance now.
(And for the same of the Clinton supporters, yes, Hillary also had developing and fixing infrastructure as one of her points that no one talked about. It would have been nice if the election revolved around actual issues of governing, but whatever.)