The East Boston Times-Free Press reports on what a non-Hispanic student at East Boston High told his largely Hispanic classmates what they could do with themselves after the election. BPS says it was an isolated incident.
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Adam,FFS this was an isolated
By Ahab
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 9:31am
Adam,FFS this was an isolated incident. What I don't get about liberals is that they suddenly think there's a mass wave of Trump supporters on some racist witch hunt. Most of these reported cases have been proven to be false. Where's the outcry when a Trump supporter gets beaten up or anyone white (who get accused of being one), for that matter? I don't subscribe to any of these political parties but even Trump has told these idiots to stop. So as I tell my fellow minorities, change in a community starts within ourselves. Go after the Democrats who thought it'd be a good idea to sabotage one of their own and begin to enforce a better image of ourselves in the media. Happy Culturally-Appropriated Turkey Day,y'all...
Yep, you're right, it was an isolated incident
By adamg
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:15am
And by itself, would represent just one asshole being an asshole, of the sort probably every high school in the country has at least one of. But all the other incidents I've posted about were isolated incidents as well - it's when you add them all up that you start to wonder if something is going on. Yes, this is Massachusetts, not [Fill in name of state west of the Hudson], but I'm hoping, in my own, small, insignificant, little way, to keep it like that, by letting people know that, even here, you can't fully let down your guard.
Let it go? Nope. Back when I was an actual reporter, I covered three incidents (two involving antisemitism, one involving a Vietnamese-American family) in which people tried to keep things quiet, thinking the vandals would go away and with a desire not to offend their gentile neighbors (obviously, the Jewish incidents). Only things didn't get quiet, they just got worse and worse until things reached a stage of violence (in the case of the family, having people break into their house, so they could toss the family's bird, still inside its cage, into the pool). Only then did the victims go public (or somebody involved in the case got so outraged they dropped a dime).
So better to say something now and keep things relatively isolated, then wait until it's too late.
Post Trump incidents
By Dory
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:12am
Thank you for not backing down. Keep citing these incidents. People who brush them off don't realize just how quickly the hate can escalate into something so much more.
Bullying always happened all the time in school
By Snuggles
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 12:47pm
when I grew up. And bullies would pick the most obvious things to say while bullying. Sometimes it was motivated by the obvious difference, but other times the obvious difference was just an excuse or something to say while picking on someone weaker or ganging up on someone.
What earns this bully a special award for extreme stupid, if the allegations are found to be true, is referencing Trump while bullying. A bully who pays attention in social studies class should know that's likely to be reported and to get them in a world of high-profile disciplinary hurt.
As the first 'enrolled' hubbie...
By dmcboston
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:14am
commenting here (if that's a word)...two things...first, from the article, "The student who was told to ‘hang herself’ reported that the boy had deleted the original tweet and later apologized."
It's a good start. Second...think of the turkeys and have a good Thanksgiving.
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Wait
By Waquiot
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:20am
What's the turkey doing with a gas can?
Soon....
By Turkey Liberati...
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 3:40pm
Soon....
Not soon enough
By Roman
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 1:15am
Yum!
Look at all the little turkeys
By Stevil
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 3:56pm
Where have you been soldier? Training sir.
What kind of training? Turrrrrrrrrrkey training sir.
Setting up to be more evil than the Brookline brigade of turkeys. Moloturk cocktails? From the air?!!
I'd like to think that's a big gravy boat
By anon
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 4:44pm
Industrial size.
Adorable!
By Elmer
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 12:34pm
Just lie and it will go away
By anon
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:33am
No. That is a lie.
Thanks Adam for your good work. Please continue to report on what is going out there.
"No. that is a lie"
By Doug1001
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 5:47pm
Damn, that's some riveting stuff right there. Welp, I'm convinced.
Thanks Anon for your persuasive argument.
So, on the other hand,
By boo_urns
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:42pm
The original claim that most were proven false was provided with no proof, either. You know how the burden of proof works, right?
Sure....thanks for checking on me....
By Doug1001
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:49pm
I was just captivated by anon's succinct and to the point commmentary.
Lol
By boo_urns
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 6:08pm
You do have a point, sorry. I guess it just grinds my gears a little that it goes both ways and some don't see it that way.
No worries....
By Doug1001
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 1:20am
No apology needed...it definitely goes both ways, I agree. Anon's quick "no" comment just caught my eye...
FFS - Future Farmers of Serbia?
By Daan
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:41pm
Don't use abbreviations. Even in the day of Twitter abbreviations are best left in the dictionary when writing. While there are common abbreviations such as A.M. and P.M., BCE and CE, an abbreviation such as FFS is not common enough. If you're too lazy to write out the words then perhaps just don't write anything.
When I was a teenager listening to my anti-Black and anti-Jewish relatives I mistakenly mentioned that when they paint an entire group of people with a negative broad stroke they are speaking evil. I wasn't smart enough to understand that the words were evil but the point was painting a entire group of people with a single brush relegates human beings to objects. Objects which can be disposed of as though they were trash.
So painting a broad stroke with a word that sadly has taken on a negative meaning - liberal - relegates a large group of people to objects which can be disposed of as though they were trash.
That is one of the first albeit innocuous seeming steps toward a monolithic homogenous culture that attempts to wipe out anyone who varies from a singular form of acceptable thinking or belief. Which ironically is something that many (not all certainly) politicians and commentators who describe themselves as conservative (their word but the accuracy of which I would debate) often say about those damn "liberals."
So instead of trying to objectify and dehumanize "liberals" try to use a few more words and focus what you're saying. Because calling one group "liberals" or another group "those Jews" just makes you, an individual writer, sound like a mean nasty cus.
Anyway the truest conservatives are usually of a political and social liberal perspective. They are the ones who want to conserve instead of destroy the environment. They are the ones who want to conserve the fundamental values inherent to the concepts of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people. They are concerned with understanding the truth of human nature and the world we live in. They are the people who are most concerned with conserving intelligent, thoughtful, reflective thought, consideration and speech.
As for witch hunts the literal and metaphorical witch hunts in this culture have always come from the people who would call themselves conservative. Joe McCarthy in the Senate and the House Committee on Un-American Activities together being example one. Writing of witch hunts reminds me that I read that Newt "adulterer while wife is dying" Gingrich wanted to use the Orlando mass shooting as an excuse to start another HUAC. But Newt is smart enough to understand that when you let that kind of genie out of the bottle all hell will break loose.
My guess is that Newt smells fear and strife in the air and figures his way back to power is by taking down political opponents. Start a witch hunt, twist it to some definition of "un-American" that attacks his political enemies and with that start slinging mud and creating enough havoc that he and his cohorts come out with little political competition and wind up being the pipers who tell everyone else how to walk lockstep.
Didn't bother to read all of this blather
By boo_urns
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 6:13pm
All I said was "oh, for fucks sake." So now LOL just means Land o' Lakes on the intarwebz
Much more consice
By Daan
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 8:12pm
That's the point. Trumpsters look at anything that has more than one paragraph, dismiss it as "elite liberal blah blah blah" and resume watching the classical drama of reality tv. Reminds me of that minister of wisdom Archie Bunker.
That's the weird thing
By boo_urns
Thu, 12/01/2016 - 12:11am
I'm not sure if I understood the message. FFS is as accessible as LOL, which I tried to analogize with my point. Otherwise, the rest of the message/comment I was on board with. So maybe the rest is over my head. To me, rewriting what "FFS" meant, as it's pretty popular shorthand nomenclature, as something else is being overly tedious. Or, dumb.
But, I'm coming from this from a place where perhaps I might learn something.
edit: "so may the rest", typo, "so maybe the rest." My b!
FFS? Or SRS? — Regardless, Adam Is Always Supportive Of Others!
By Elmer
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:23pm
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They are all isolated
By Heather
Mon, 11/28/2016 - 3:52pm
They are all isolated incidents, until you add them all together.
That's technically true
By Roman
Thu, 12/01/2016 - 1:14am
for any corkboard full of crazy.
School authorities know who the alleged 'cyber-bully' is?
By anon
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 9:58am
They've spoken with him/her, and he/she has admitted making mean spirited tweets? And the young woman who says the original tweet was deleted, she has a copy of the original tweet?
And why isn't East Boston High more diverse? If it was 75% so-called white, 'progressives' would be screaming about creating greater diversity.
Finally, this alleged incident is extremely trivial. The students, all of them regardless of their so-called race, need to get a much thicker skin.
Let me guess: You don't live in Boston
By adamg
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:19am
Or you do and you don't know anything about BPS or East Boston. Go look up the ethnic makeup of BPS in general and East Boston in particular (the stats are available online, I just don't feel like doing any work for you).
As for kids having to tough it out, I'm sorry you were bulled as a kid, you might want to look into some counseling for the psychic scars you still have, but that doesn't mean everybody else has to undergo your fate.
Let me tell you: Yes, I do live in the city
By anon
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 11:23am
And I am aware of the demographics.
Your response says a lot more about you and the chip on your shoulder (and/or you're disingenuous) than it says about me.
You don't really know Boston and its history
By Waquiot
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 12:37pm
East Boston has always been exempt from the judicially imposed educational policies inflicted on the rest of the city. Before 1995, there was just one 2 lane tunnel to East Boston and a similar tunnel in the other direction.
So, unless you are saying there should be a cap on Hispanics living in East Boston, you make no sense.
Because High School Bullying
By Vast Conspirator
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:00am
Never, ever, EVER happened before the recent election!
Oh, you are wise
By adamg
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:16am
Yes, you're right. The difference is the specific Trump references.
Well the difference being is
By Ahab
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:38am
Well the difference being is that these kids pick this crap off the internet and thinks it validates bullying. It's an unfortunate side of any mass social circle and the best thing we can do is not to offer some sort of "safe space". Adults need to let the bullies know that there are serious repercussions to their behavior. Trump is just an additive to this sh*t.
"Safe space"
By boo_urns
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 6:19pm
Is synonymous with letting people know that there is a supportive environment where people have their backs. I hate that it's used, instead, as a buzzword for people to act with stupid bravado about being "tough" or something. Seriously, what's wrong with offering people support and comfort in opposition to others acting with malicious intent? It does not AT ALL mean you will be forever protected from bullying, and I don't think any reasonable person would see it otherwise.
And you, my friend, are exceedingly tedious
By Vast Conspirator
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 1:34pm
I went to high school in Boston during the early 70's. There wasn't a single day in four years that I didn't feel physically threatened due to my ethnicity and neighborhood of origin. Call me an alt-right neo-fascist, but I don't think Trump's election some forty years later had very much to do with that.
But if you want to blame Trump for that too, have at it, You'd be wrong but consistent.
I'm sorry what you sent through
By adamg
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 6:14pm
But, no, what happened 40 years ago doesn't have anything to do with what's happening today - you don't see me blaming post-election antisemitism on the fights and bullying I endured in the one year I spent as one of just three Jews in a school north of New York City, do you?
Another one for "trump land"
By Rostonian
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 10:45am
Adam, seeing how the new focus of the site seems to be reporting on all things Trump, here is another for the file. I agree that schools are no place for hatred or targeting based on political leanings. There is no place for that, especially from a teacher, right?
http://www.unionleader.com/education/portsmouth-hi...
Here's the deal
By adamg
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 12:26pm
This site is about Boston and these posts are "Trumpland, MA." You really don't want to start posting stuff from other states because, yes, we are in a blue bubble here and there are far worse things going on in the rest of the country, and you don't want me posting that stuff and offending your poor denialist little sensibilities. So no more stuff about the rest of the country, mkay?
Adam, what will you do
By Roman
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 1:21pm
when the apocalypse doesn't come?
I remember when the world was going to end in December of 2012. I was down in Key West with the wife and we flew in the day of (Dec 21, 2012). It was nice weather, so we went and watched the sun set over the ocean. I looked down at my watched and realized that it actually was 12/21/2012 and enjoyed the sight of the last sunset.
And the world ended immediately afterward, so I couldn't make jokes about the world being about to end anymore. Now I have to resort to much less funny jokes about the world [i]already having ended[/i]. It just doesn't have the same ring to it as it did before the Mayan calender ticked over.
I Think We'll All Breathe A Collective Sigh Of Relief
By Elmer
Tue, 06/19/2018 - 1:48am
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[sup] Meanwhile, many people are holding their breath (or screaming!)[/sup]
Why bother, Roman?
By anon
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 3:29pm
Just curious. Adam has made clear his policy and the people you're arguing with everyday aren't going to change their political views based on your posts.
Personally the last thing in the world I'd ever do is go onto a conservative-leaning website and argue with true believers all day. Most pointless thing I could imagine doing.
Good luck to ya. And Happy Thanksgiving.
Lots of reasons
By Roman
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 5:54pm
Come here for the news, stay for the discussion.
Keep myself sharp.
Occasionally learn something, occasionally impart some wisdom.
Do my little part to pop the bubble on the narrative that anyone right of center is a raving uneducated bumpkin.
Mostly because I enjoy trolling. Blows off steam.
Roman Accomplishes A Lot — He Plays A Great Devil's Advocate!
By Elmer
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 9:37pm
I give Roman credit for having the courage of his convictions — he engages in cordial dialog, expressing his own opinions clearly, and asking honest questions.
It's very helpful to to discuss topics with people who don't always agree with our own points of view. It's important for each side to understand the other's thoughts about a topic.
Sometimes when people are discussing a subject they generally agree upon, someone will play "Devil's Advocate", and present an opposing position another person might take. This gives the others a chance to consider and discuss that alternative side of the issue. If it doesn't change their minds, it allows them to form a more confident and thoughtful response to the opposing opinion.
Unlike some posters who'll hit and run with an ignorant stance or inaccurate claim, Roman stays around and reads the replies; and then posts back with another challenging response, or to further refine a point of contention. Of course, it's possible he really is someone playing the part, but I'm inclined to believe his thoughts are quite sincere, which makes his participation all the more valuable!
The difference is, people at such websites are very reluctant to even listen to anyone they might possibly disagree with— they don't wish to be informed about anything.
The readers of Universal Hub are more interested in learning and understanding the many different experiences and thoughts of other people. That includes Roman too!
Thanks for the response, Roman
By anon
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 2:50am
I did ask you and not other more conservative posters specifically b/c I do respect how you present your opinions (despite disagreeing with pretty much all of them.)
There may be more benefit to the your opposition voice here as you and Elmer note but I think too much credit might be given to most of your more strident and regular opponents here.
I'm not a big fan of arguing politics in person or on the internet. I know I'll never change most of my core beliefs ever at this point and assume most grown adults won't either.
As for country bumpkins I remember socially liberal Republicans and certainly understand reasons other non-bumpkins choose more "conservative" views. I think most of your interlocutors here do as well.
One simplified example is the size of government and the scope of what they regulate.
My fundamental belief is we need a bigger government to regulate things like labor, the environment and the financial sector. And unfortunately higher taxes are a price that needs to be paid for these protections. I do understand how and why others may not believe this.
However, while I know you didn't vote for Trump, I will say that he certainly benefited from the votes of many painfully uninformed and simply misinformed voters.
Finally I will say that while I abhor and will fight the divisive and bigoted rhetoric coming from much of Team Trump I do wish the man well in his endeavors to bring back jobs and economic security to those who voted for him based on his campaign promises. I feel their pain, as one of my more favored Presidents said.
I doubt his efforts will amount to anything but what do I know, I didn't think we'd ever elect the guy.
Anyways, thanks again for responding.
Resources for students concerned about bullying?
By theszak
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 2:38am
What resources are available for students concerned about bullying at East Boston High School?
There is no Trump crime wave
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 1:54pm
I socialize with active cops every day. All ranks, races, genders. I'm also a member of several police organizations. Trust, there is no Trump-related crime wave. To pretend there is makes the media look worse than before, if that's even possible. Commissioner Mousey Evans and State Police Colonel Richard McKeon should come out and say that there is nothing to this.
Think about it this way, Fish
By Roman
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 2:39pm
The lefties were all set to channel their rage into the government agencies they thought for sure they were going to win control of. They didn't, so they've found a new target: "Trumpland." It's annoying, but it's a known quantity.
You take that away from them, what sort of troublemaking will they get up to next?
Says
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 2:51pm
Mr. Delusional.
Identifying with people who are likely to put you against the wall first won't save you.
What's your point Swirly?
By Roman
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 2:54pm
Are you just typing by rote reflex or are actually trying to bully me into voting Democrat by indirectly threatening my personal safety?
Really?
By anon
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 2:52pm
Pointing out that identifying with people who are all to happy to abuse you is a threat now?
A threat to your dreamworld, perhaps.
Your own stupidity is what is threatening you.
lol
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 3:19pm
Your are threatening your own safety, dear. Your ignorance of history is threatening your safety. You really aren't that special to collaborate your way out of the Alt Rights ideals for this country.
Just try to find a single instance in history when nationalists and fascists took over and immigrant Jews were spared mayhem. It doesn't look good.
So happy to notice that I am able to disturb your glib facade enough that you are now spewing paranoid nonsense accusations.
Oh Swirly
By Roman
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 4:59pm
You're not as good at the trolling as you think you are. See, a good troll leads with intelligent-sounding words. They don't go straight to the crazy.
I can't decide whether you actually believe that the pogroms are coming or if you don't but think that scratching up trash cans with swastikas is a good way to scare up a solid blue voting bloc.
In either case, I pray for you.
PS. You strike me as a Jeep or a Subaru kind of gal, but what are the chances that you're the proud owner of a Matrix with tape marks from where that "Kill kill kill!" sticker was the day after the election?
Why Roman Is Not Macedorable!
By Elmer
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 6:01pm
A story in "The Washington Post" talks about the influence of fake news and other propaganda spread by Russia during the election.:
Winning or losing, Roman doesn't run and hide— he always keeps trying to win!
Riddle me this
By Waquiot
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 11:15pm
You comment
Isn't antisemitism a cornerstone of fascism? Of course, we are talking about people or movements who admit to being fascist. Some people called George W. Bush a fascist. Some called Margaret Thatcher the same thing. The Russians make the claim about elements of the Ukrainian government. To some extent the name is thrown out there is tarnish your rival. You can disagree with the guy (and a lot of people do) but Trump is no fascist.
Now Trump is a nationalist, and trust me, there are many nationalist movements that have had no problem with Jews. Irish nationalism blossomed in the interwar period, and with the exception of one small fascist group, there were no problems for the small Jewish community in the nation.
A Fascist Will Use Whatever Minorities Are Conveniently At Hand
By Elmer
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 12:19am
Their objective is to turn the population against itself, as a way to divide and conquer. Hitler used Jews, Gays, and Gypsies. Trump is using Blacks, Muslims, and Mexicans— among others!
The President of the United States should be working to unify all Americans. Dividing our nation will bring about its destruction!
So will just about anyone
By Waquiot
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 12:33am
The Know Nothing Party was America's first and most strident anti-immigrant party, and they predated the rise of fascism by over 50 years. They were also the leading anti-slavery group before they fell apart and began another, more successful political party.
Harry Truman was also notably anti-immigrant. Was the man who was President when Hilter was defeated also a fascist? Immigration was also greatly restricted in the 1920s, and yes, Jews were part of the reason, yet fascism never even got to the level it got in England at the time, so what's the link?
I could go on and on, but I need sleep.
Assuming facts not in evidence
By Roman
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 1:18am
Trump may not be your cup of tea, but fascist he ain't.
My German's a little nonexistent, but I'm pretty sure the big H peppered his speeches with references to purging the intellectuals and disposing of the Jews.
Trump's speeches? Calls for border enforcement, law enforcement, and occasional (you may believe half-hearted) calls for unity and healing. Also very conspicuous and vocal pro LGBT rhetoric from day one.
Flake? Loudmouth? Crook? Busy hands? Sure. Nazi? I'm not seeing it.
Fascism Is Not A "One-Size-Fits-All" Philosophy ...
By Elmer
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 1:42am
... it's reared its ugly head in many different flavors over the years. Naziism is but one of them, and is by no means a requirement.
Here's a page where someone has listed "14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism".
Note: not all characteristics are required for a regime to be considered fascist, however the president-elect could easily check off most of these items.
so see it
By Sock_Puppet
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 4:34am
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He said what a lot of politicians say
By Waquiot
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 9:13am
I'll be non-partisan with this.
We survived Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, we can survive Trump.
From a political science perspective, if you are running against the status quo, a good strategy is to point out that the city, state, or nation is not as good as it used to be, and that you want to restore it to what it was, or even make it better.
You see it
By Roman
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 12:35pm
If your default viewpoint is that America is burdened by its original sins, then sure, I guess I can understand how anything that reeks of unapologetic flag waving falls on the same side of the line as Nazism. If you don't subscribe to that sort of thinking, then I assure you, it very much does not.
Just like "binders full of women." If you already thought Romney was morally deficient for being rich, white, and male, that was just more evidence of his sexism. If you had no such preconceived notions, it was merely evidence of awkwardness in front of a camera.
So, look deep inside and ask yourself. Is Trump a fascist because he says "make America great again," or is "make America great again" fascist because it's Trump saying it?
Both — (Re: Fascism)
By Elmer
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 2:51pm
The president-elect used the term "make America great again" as an empty promise— when he spoke the phrase it had no real meaning. Great how? Great for whom? When and what, specifically, was great that he wants to bring back?
It's something that has mass-appeal to people who don't want to think through those questions, and will just grasp with blind faith that it somehow will make their lives better. With no specifics, there's no actual policy to examine or consider if it actually would be something great, or a total disaster.
For example, saying "bring back jobs". On the surface, who would be opposed to that? But again, it's meaningless with out explaining who the jobs will be for, how much the jobs will pay, and most important of all: how, exactly are you going to create all these jobs. Regardless, a certain number of people will believe it because it's something they want to believe, no matter how vague or unrealistic the claim might be.
By contrast, Bernie Sanders said he wanted to make America great again by effecting policies so people working full-time jobs will not be living in poverty. Fifty years ago, it was possible to work a single entry-level position, and be able afford your own apartment, clothing, food, and more.
Bernie Sanders wanted to make America great again by having free public education available to anyone with the desire and ability to achieve. Fifty years ago, a public high school diploma would gain you many positions which now require higher degrees.
Fifty years ago, higher education for qualified students was offered free-of-charge at most public institutions. Fifty years ago, predatory, for-profit schools were not saddling students with exorbitant, high-interest loans that will burden them for decades. I used a student loan to help with college tuition, but I was able to pay it off completely in just a few years, even though I wasn't making a lot of money.
Bernie Sanders also wanted to make America great again by rebuilding our infrastructure, as was done with the great public works projects initiated by Franklin Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower. He sought to make America great again by putting millions of Americans to work on these projects with good-paying jobs— not to hand sweetheart deals to selected private contractors.
Bernie Sanders also wanted to make America great again by readjusting the tax system, to make it more like it was fifty years ago when more taxes were paid by the people earning the most income, instead of those who are working harder and can least afford it. There are many other ideas and programs that Mr. Sanders spoke about with clear specifics of things that actually could make America great again.
So, that's the difference: saying you'll make America great again and including exactly what that means and how you'll do it is not fascist. Using it as a meaningless slogan to gain support from an angry, dis-informed populace, is.
So naturally you were skeptical of Obama then?
By Roman
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 2:51pm
Because all he had was Hope, Change, and Turning Back The Oceans.
Sanders was and still is also a pied piper. He was just a little more specific in his vague promises.
Let's just take one example. Make college free? Why? If you're going to use the people's money to fund something that costly, it better have a good reason behind it, and the fact that people are saddling themselves with debt for degrees that don't confer employable skills (or else drop out and don't take a degree) isn't a good reason.
While you can certainly argue that a four year degree may make you a better human being, you will have a much harder time arguing that all of the money that even lower-cost state colleges charge goes to that purpose (remember, college costs have been growing much faster than inflation but college grads haven't been getting proportionally smarter) and you will have an impossible task in arguing that money is worth spending when a good number of college kids treat the thing as four years of adult kindergarten. Not something to subsidize.
I won't get into the economic feasibility of soaking the rich to pay for these programs because that's been covered elsewhere, but I will say that Bernie was a classic statist (even fascist !) politician whose entire platform was about an us versus a them and who banked on the people not being able to do the arithmetic to see that this budgets didn't close and who banked on the people not being able to see through their anger enough to notice that he was proposing to use the government to build monuments to itself.
As My Posts Will Confirm, I'm Usually Skeptical About Everything
By Elmer
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 6:21pm
After the previous president's wars and economic policies left the country in tough shape, sure, Mr. Obama offered hope for better days ahead, but at least he had ideas that seemed reasonable. After eight years in office, in some ways he's been a disappointment, but many good things were successfully achieved.
I sense you didn't have an opportunity to learn very much about the details of Bernie Sanders' ideas. For example, he wanted to fund education with a tax on speculative Wall Street trading — not a tax on retirement investments, but on the rapid-fire trading by marketeers gambling with other people's money. He also wanted to close loopholes that allow "special people" to pay lower tax rates on their profits, than the tax rate working people pay on hard earned wages.
There were many other real-world, practical things Mr. Sanders offered, but Mrs. Clinton's associates and surrogates in the mainstream media did everything they could to suppress his message. Meanwhile, the president-elect received billions of dollars in free publicity during his campaign.
The notion Bernie Sanders was anything about "us versus them" is wildly off track. Other politicians used "wedge issues" to divide and conquer voters. Instead, Mr. Sanders was all about doing things to unite the nation, by focusing on real-life issues that affect all Americans.
His opponents were offered vast platforms to distort and dismiss Bernie Sanders. He never received an equal opportunity to set the record straight.
It's tragic for our country that the most commonly accessed media sources present so little important, factual information; or challenge false claims made by others. Once again, I'm reminded:
Universal Hub is truly a treasure!
My apologies, I'm using shorthand
By Roman
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 11:23pm
and you're right, I didn't take too much time to look into Bernie's platform because I stopped right at the point where he would have taxed high freq trading (which I'm all for) and then turned around and used the (vastly overestimated) revenue stream to spend some more instead of holding the line on piling on debt.
Tax and spend...not just a bumper sticker slogan.
Cut Taxes On The Rich And Spend Even More Doesn't Help The Debt
By Elmer
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 11:29pm
Not arguing
By Roman
Sun, 11/27/2016 - 12:38am
on that point.
Trump is no friend to the LGBTQ community
By anon
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 9:25am
, says Roman about Trump.
While Trump was seemingly ok with gays in the 90s, look at his recent postions on gay issues, such as saying he would appoint a Supreme Court justice who would overturn gay marriage, support for laws that legalize discrimination against gays, and he's against laws that prevent discrimination.
http://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/donald-trum...
And yes, Trump is a fascist, despite the attempts of many to normalize him.
http://boingboing.net/2016/11
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 11/26/2016 - 10:21am
http://boingboing.net/2016/11/11/hitlers-only-kidd...
Required reading
By That English Teacher
Fri, 11/25/2016 - 3:28pm
https://www.amazon.com/Cant-Happen-Here-Signet-Cla...
A very scary book...
By Michael Kerpan
Thu, 12/01/2016 - 6:39pm
... by Sinclair Lewis. And (something like) it CAN happen here.
Happy Thanksgiving Roman!
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 11/24/2016 - 6:34pm
Happy Thanksgiving Roman! Don't be a stranger, it's nice to have company here. I had the pleasure to share Thanksgiving cheer with several officers today and there is no Trump-related crime wave. Fiction.
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