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BPS students plan Monday walkout to protest Trump
By adamg on Fri, 12/02/2016 - 7:26pm
BPS high-school students are organizing a walkout on Monday that could see students rally on the Common at 2 p.m. before marching on the State House and rallying in front of City Hall:
Donald J. Trump will be the next president of the United States and we have the right to protest and stand together against the inexcusable statements he has made about, and the harmful policies he promises to enact against, immigrants, Muslims, black Americans, the disabled, the LGBTQ+ community and women.
WALK-OUT on Monday, December 5th to send a loud and clear message to Donald J. Trump and to ensure our local elected officials commit to protecting and uplifting all residents of Massachusetts for the next four years.
The protests, whose organizers include some of the students who led the spring walkouts against budget cuts. They could be joined by protsters from UMass Boston.
BPS e-mailed parents today to caution them about the walkout:
While BPS believes in the importance of student voice and advocacy, we discourage students from missing class time and leaving school without permission during the day. Students who miss classroom time will be marked absent from classes they miss on Monday. ...
Student safety is a top priority at the Boston Public Schools. That is why we are notifying you and asking you to please encourage your child to remain in school.
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So BPS students are learning
So BPS students are learning to disrespect the votes of others and have disdain for Democracy.
Guess what? Your candidate doesn't always win. Accepting loss, respecting other opinions, and developing coping skills are a vital part of life. Things which these kids aren't learning.
These kids aren't even old enough to vote and a protest at city hall and the statehouse will change nothing.
This is an embarrassment. BPS students are being used as pawns increasingly in various marches during the school day. No wonder the kids aren't learning at some schools. Their teachers are spending all day preaching political campaigns instead educating.
Elections are just part of a functioning democracy, son
Go ahead, read the First Amendment. It's really short, shouldn't take you more than a minute, but it's really important to the functioning of an actual democracy. The other amendments, like the 14th, are harder to understand, so I won't ask you to read those.
Bravo to these kids for taking the constitution seriously and for advocating for what they believe in. And now that they're on notice from BPS that their absences will have consequences (yes, being marked absent has consequences when you're only allowed so many absences per semester), they're getting a lesson in the importance of accepting consequences for their actions.
As for teachers, nope. The kids organized their protests last year all by themselves (yes, some teachers and SEIU members attended to make sure they stayed safe, but that's not the same). I realize it's hard for some people to accept, but high school students can be pretty smart and organized all on their own.
Hey Gaffin
I'm setting up a jar. Every time you say "Constitution," you have to put a quarter in it.
Jar deposit tax?
For the children, of course.
Trumpism demands patriotic correctness
Everyone must fly an American flag while Trump uses the office of the presidency to enrich himself.
Why should there be any
Why should there be any consequences for exercising your 1st Amendment rights.
If I walked out of work to protest Trump
the first amendment wouldn't protect my job. I think a 2:30 PM march would show respect for education and allow them to protest.....
I'm glad Boston HS students want their voice heard
IIRC, Boston Schools students missed lunch and up to two post-lunch classes during the last walkout which is less than what they miss when they take a sick day. Does you job let you take a sick day?
After what Trump said about "Afffffrican-Americans" and Hispanics I think a lot of the kids in Boston Schools have good reason to attend. 63% of BPS self-identify as one or the other. I suspect kids who are not personally threatened by Trump's rhetoric are just as likely to be offended by it.
yell FIRE
so you can yell FIRE in a movie theatre and that's protected by the first?
it's not really about the student's right to protest or be heard but the skipping school part.
it's a shame they didn't walk out to protest charter schools. would be nice to know the teacher's opinion if the topic were different.
Not a democracy
Never has been. Anon has had his entire life to learn this, but has not. It's a republic, with proportional representation and a whole lot of major distortions to the democratic model*. This is not just semantics. If it were a democracy, Hillary Clinton would be getting ready to lead the country, or maybe it would be some other person entirely.
* Incomplete list of distortions:
- Caucuses
- Distributed-day, as opposed to same-day primaries
- Electoral College
- The Senate
A majority of voters did not
A majority of voters did not vote for Clinton; same for Trump, most voters did not support him.
That's a common misconception
>If it were a democracy, Hillary Clinton would be getting ready to lead the country
That's a common misconception but you can't expect to have these same election results in a totally different election system. If the presidential election were a popular vote then the candidates would have campaigned very differently and voter turnout would also have been effected as well with more people voting for Trump in states like CA and MA which historically go Democrat.
Yeah but you'd also have all
Yeah but you'd also have all the metro-city blue votes from states that always go red - my hometown county in the Midwest goes completely blue but their votes are just as wasted as the trump votes up here in MA.
Racism isn't an opinion. Good
Racism isn't an opinion. Good on the kids for refusing to accept hate and bigotry!
Yes, because im 100% certain
Their unionized (i have no issue with unions) teachers and their union who heavily backed Hillary haven't in any way shape or form encouraged this action. Kinda like when students walked out over budgetary issues but never mentioned the fact that their teachers increasing pay and taxing benefits were what was consuming the vast majority of the annual allotment.
Remind you, we have over a BILLION dollar budget, and unfortunately students in Boston aren't the benefactors, the teacher are.
Do you have any kids in the system?
And if so, did you take part in any of the discussions on the cuts that were being planned at the high school level (which were going to get hit hardest because there just wasn't much to cut in the elementary schools)?
And do you know for a fact that teachers are pushing kids to do this, or are you just letting your hatred of unions do your talking for you?
The saddest thing about all
The saddest thing about all this post election BS is that if half this effort was used to get out the Left to vote on Election Day in a few battle ground states, we would not be having this discussion. You (the democrats) have no one to blame but yourselves. Now shut up and deal with the consequences of your failure.
Never mind the voter suppression
Or the counties in swing states where vote totals in favor of Trump exceed registered voters.
Nope, nothing like that.
Just because you "believe" that the election was fair, doesn't mean that it was.
Sorry Swirly
I've been told for years and years by democrats that worrying about election integrity was racist. You, madame, are a racist.
I don't deny that
I am white and I get white privilege. Duhhhhh! I'm also ethnic redneck by birth, despite being a mutt. My parents were pretty decent, but I was essentially raised in a racist environment and that takes some time and effort to undo.
But there you go again, believing what you are told rather than thinking for yourself. Classic.
Trump may be right.
The electoral college is only getting any publicity because the Dowager Queen of Chappaqua lost. Oh, and just for the hell of it, Trump may be right in claiming a million fake votes.
This election may be rife with voter fraud. OK, some facts, since you prize 'thinking for yourself'.
24 million voter registrations are no longer valid or are significantly inaccurate.
More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.*
Secretary Clinton lost the election. If there was a shred of justice in the Justice Department, voter fraud would be investigated.
The source of these figures, since someone will undoubtedly say, 'Citation, please'...
*The Pew Charitable Trusts. You've cited them, so you must recognize the legitimacy of their research.
"Research in Pew's report underscores the need for registration systems that better maintain voter records, save money, and streamline processes. "
"Evidence That America's Voter Registration System Needs an Upgrade"
Here's what you're looking for. Read it yourself. Do some 'thinking for yourself'.
"PewUpgradingVoterRegistrationpdf"
Oh, Adam, a good link to the First Amendment, not from Wiki.
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html
That's funny
I seem to remember my history books talking about when Nixon lost to Kennedy.
Go ahead with your elaborate conspiracy theories, though - you have to turn that toxic imagination on something now that our Kenyan overlord is peacefully stepping aside at the end of his turn.
Off your meds again?
"I seem to remember my history books talking about when Nixon lost to Kennedy."
Books don't talk. You read them. Except for talking books. Anyway, you get a 'D' for the fact that your statement is relevant to nothing I posted. Go turn off your toxic imagination.
"Go ahead with your elaborate conspiracy theories, though - you have to turn that toxic imagination on something now that our Kenyan overlord is peacefully stepping aside at the end of his turn."
PEWPEWPEW!! I win. I've always maintained that President Obama was Keynesian.
Clue...I don't think President Elect Trump (never thought I'd live to say that, but c'est la vie) cares either way about the recounts. Some addled leftie on NPR yesterday kept calling him 'candidate Trump'.
Sorry folks, he's getting sworn in in January.
OK, for those of you that can't use Duckduckgo (the website that doesn't track you!) here's some links. US News and World Report...probably not good enough for you, but, go find your own sources if it ain't.
Oh, swirl, before you start whining about 'peer reviewed' info, read this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/18/outbreak-o...
http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fr...
http://voterfraudfacts.com/voter-fraud-statistics/
http://www.demos.org/sites/default/files/publications/Analysis.pdf
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/03/oh-my-evidence-of-mass...
More projection ...
More projection than a 20 screen multiplex, again?
Nice ignorance you got there ... ignorance of medical treatment of mental illness is just the start. Clownhole, er, townhall as "evidence" - ha ha,really?
Heh.
Projection...
"More projection than a 20 screen multiplex, again?
Nice ignorance you got there ... ignorance of medical treatment of mental illness is just the start. Clownhole, er, townhall as "evidence" - ha ha,really?"
Go outside and get some fresh air.
Yeah DMC, how insensitive of
Yeah DMC, how insensitive of you!
Poor little bunny
By SwirlyGrrl on Sat, 11/19/2016 - 1:34pm
Reality is too much. Might be time to ask your psych to adjust your medication.
Ooh this one gonna be good
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You need to read your own citation
You realize there's more to submitting a citation than just mentioning it, right? Did you actually read it? It's not that long.
The report Trump and you are misquoting is this one - Inaccurate, Costly, and Inefficient
Unfortunately, it does not say what you claim it does. While it does say that as many as 1.8 deceased voters remain on the rolls, it does not claim that there is any evidence that these registrations have been used fraudulently. Rather, Pew said that this and other problems are evidence of the need to upgrade voter registration systems. (To wit - the report also notes that as many as 51 million Americans eligble to vote are not registered.)
Here's a fuller rundown on Trump's claims vs. the reality on Factcheck.org.
Irrelevant
Taking these in a slightly different order:
Have you had anyone near you die recently? Was your first thought "I have to notify the election department"? Was it even your 47th thought, 3 weeks later?
Most deceased voters eventually fall off the rolls because they become inactive (don't cast any vote for x amount of time) or because of results from a municipal or town census.
But the number of deceased voters on the rolls is irrelevant because the overwhelming majority of those cast no vote at all (no, I have no citation but only a buffoon would believe otherwise). Maybe you have some statistic on how many deceased voters who remain on the rolls actually vote?
Much the same could be said here. Did you notify your local election department when you moved out of a state?
In Massachusetts at least, the registration form has a space for previous address. Presumably, this is used to delete your old address when you re-register after moving within the state. But does Massachusetts notify your old state that you've registered here? Maybe, maybe not. Do all states do this? Who knows?
But again, it's only relevant if someone takes the opportunity to actually vote in both states or if someone else attempts to use your no longer valid registration in your old state to cast a vote. My bet is that neither of those scenarios happens very much.
But again, do any of these actually vote or attempt to vote? Also, if they do, what evidence is there that they are skewed to a particular party or candidate?
The voter rolls will never be 100% accurate. But until you show me significant numbers of proven reports of voters voting fraudulently, there is no real problem.
Please show us the evidence
Please show us the evidence of millions of illegal votes. If you can't then shut up and stop making shit up. I wish Trump would do the same. He is against recounts because he knows voter fraud is just another conspiracy theory he is wrong about like Obama being born in Africa. Trump is a whiny 70 year old baby who can't handle the fact that he got 2 million less votes.
First off as a black man
I find this whole augment racist. Do you think were too lazy, stupid or poor to own a license. I use one to enter buildings, bars, airports and the BANK, also I show it when purchasing particular products. I have no issue showing my ID while voting, actually PARTICULARLY when i vote.
Do you live in Massachusetts?
Congratulations. I bet even if you didn't have a license, it wouldn't be too hard for you to get to an RMV branch to get a state-issued ID.
Unlike, say, people in Alabama.
No voter suppression here!
Looks like we got ourselves a whole crop of Alt-Farmers voting up an anonymous storm on their favorite comments!
It was alt-funny the first time you said it
but it doesn't seem to be holding up that well.
Maybe you should hold down both alt keys.
Oh lordy, they are out tonight
Guess what - not talking about you, not talking about black people even.
You might want to use the internet and do some research - disenfrancisement and voter suppression are not just a race issue. You'd know that if you knew anything about it.
Please make a note of where I even mentioned RACE in my original comment? GUESS WHAT! I DIDN'T!
Now get yourself a login if you want anyone to believe that you are anything other than a paid sockpuppet spewing false outrage "on behalf of" from a comment template.
You get carded to enter a bank?
It's even harder than I thought for a brother out there.
You tend to get carded when you cash a check or withdraw funds
Even if you're white. Liberals would know this for themselves, but being socialists, money and banking are just a foreign country to them.
And what bank would that be at?
Even in this crazy, mixed up, cashless world, which I'm sure you don't participate in because you're a Goddamn Capitalist and Goddamn Capitalists like pulling out their huge wads of bills like a Goddamn Boss, I sometimes deposit checks and make withdrawals, and not just at one of them there fancy ATM thingmabobs. And yet, even before I got to know the tellers and officials at our local branch of our middlish sized bank, even when I've gone to another branch, even when we had accounts at big regional chains, some of them with green logos, I have never been asked to show ID. Sometimes I've had to present my ATM card, or slide it through a reader, but my official gubmint ID? Nah, never. Must be my trustworthy face. Or maybe I need an account at some rapacious Too Big to Fail Bank.
Really, you have to show your ID when you cash a check? Oh, man, that sucks. Let me know if you need the name of a bank that doesn't make you do that.
I dunno Adam,
been a while since I had to get a big wad of cash beyond the daily ATM limit, but when the wife and I opened a joint account at a certain big green logo'd place with many branches around here not too long ago, we both had to show our IDs.
Maybe it was systemic racism against white men that did it.
That is true
Yes, federal banking regulations require you to prove your identity when opening an account.
And had you actually said that, I would've agreed with you on the point. But what you said was: "You tend to get carded when you cash a check or withdraw funds." Maybe at your bank, but not at mine.
Patriot Act
It's the Patriot Act that requires a financial institution (bank/credit union) to identify someone when they open a new account or apply for a loan.
Now, for the kids who walkout to stage a protest:
1. One week suspension.
2. Straight F's for the current term.
Roman, you must look as sketchy as you sound
I rarely if ever get asked for ID when I cash checks or make deposits at that "big green logo'd" bank - or any other here in town.
Sound?
Do you actually hear me typing these words?
What do I sound like?
Sketchy and barely literate
Sound
verb (used without object)
- to convey a certain impression when heard or read:
to sound strange.
Figured you were a gold bug, Roman
No ID needed to dive into your Scrooge McDuck money bin!
I don't know what pushed your
I don't know what pushed your snark triggers, but in the real world these days, you need to show ID to deposit cash.
Don't worry about him
when that NYT election predictor needle whipped over from 100% Hillary to 100% Trump, the inertia disengaged a lot of people's snark safeties.
OK
I will concede my transactions tend to involve checks, not deposits of fistfuls of bills. But if you go back to the comment by Roman I was replying to, he specifically mentioned check cashing and fund withdrawing, along with some 3rd-grade insult about damnlibruls, not deposits of greenbacks.
Not true Rob
I am rarely if ever asked for ID when I hand the teller my deposit slip and money.
Also, this whole side-thread is kind of silly as banking ≠ voting.
I never am
When I deposit money to my mom's account, they never even ask who I am. I am clearly not my mom, and do not have an account in that bank, so it's not like they already know me.
But yes, it's not voting, and in MA, the only time you have to show ID to vote is if it's the first time you've voted since registering.
ID required at BofA for cash deposits with a teller
Bank of America, in November 2015, instituted a policy where a teller will now ask a customer for identification, when they are depositing cash.
Which 'real' world?
My wife and I regularly deposit cash vs. checks.
Never once have we been asked to show an ID to deposit into our account.
Not once.
Must be nice for all of you,
Must be nice for all of you, but - yes, really, cash deposits!
It happens to me in gritty city neighborhoods and nice suburbs. These days, the banks live in terror of (a) counterfeiting, and (b) violating money-laundering safeguard regulations that have National Security legislation as their rebar.
Oh, stop it. You're killing me.
Howie Carr level humor is too make to take this early in the AM.
I suggest you move to one of those red states that the blue liberal states pay for. Like Kansas, perhaps?
You can spend your days surrounded by folks who REALLY know how to run a state.
Unlike us poor, stupid liberals.
The value of classic liberal American values
I was raised in a trailer court, but I have a net worth over a million. I own property in two states. Paying cash for two kids in college while saving maximal amounts for retirement. Perfect credit rating, too.
But, hey, what do I know about money - I ride my bike to work. I have a single car. I have a modest home that I tend to work on myself. I don't make a grand show off of my wealth with luxury cars and high rent zip codes and gold pseudoclassical toilet fixtures just so that you will know how rich and special I am.
I guess in the Kardashian age, it is very difficult for some to comprehend the traditional American and socialist idea of two educated people from working-class backgrounds earning a very solid living due to their educational attainment. Or the classic American value of frugality - the traditional practice of living in a comfortable but non-ostentatious or non-wasteful way(when one's means are more than sufficient for basic needs) as to be able to pay cash for nearly everything.
p.s.: if it makes you feel better, my union-affiliated credit union did ask for ID when I picked up a cashier's check in lieu of cash to purchase my new car. Not unreasonable.
Citation please...
"Or the counties in swing states where vote totals in favor of Trump exceed registered voters."
...or it didn't happen.
No, you shut up
Oh, dear, that was mean of me.
You're absolutely right about how truly awful a campaign got run (just reading that the Clinton campaign spent more in Nebraska than Wisconsin and Michigan combined, um, what?).
But sorry, democracy is not some binary black and white thing. People don't give up the right to speak up for what they believe in just because of the election results (speaking of which, have you heard Clinton beat Trump by more than 2.5 million votes?).
Ask the tea partiers, who just wouldn't shut up after 2008.
If liberals are such failures
If liberals are such failures then why are all the wealthiest, healthiest and most educated states all blue? Massachusetts has the highest scoring students in the country. I'm glad they are standing up against ignorance and intolerance. The less educated republican states could learn a thing or two.
This is too easy
Massachusetts people are smart enough to have elected both Mitt Romney and Charlie Baker governor. 5 of the last 7 governatorial elections have gone to the GOP.
Smart indeed.
Don't forget
Dont forget to protest when college loans are brought down to an affordable pay back plan.
Hah!
I've got this bridge down in Brooklyn I can let you have at really good rates.
Why don't they do this rally
Why don't they do this rally on a Saturday?
One reason I can think of
There are more locals downtown on a weekday.
Is anyone actually working at
Is anyone actually working at the State House on a Saturday? They're trying to get the attention of elected officials.
Priorities anyone?
Once again, we can read the Uhub feed and see multiple reports of Bostonians shot and stabbed. How many comments? Almost none (zero in most cases).
But give people a chane to bash trump and it's like a comment tsunami.
So let's do the math. People are losing their minds over a president-elect who hasnt done anything at this point. Yet people are litteraly being killed in our city and the same readers on this site seem to have nothing to say about it. Hmmm
Not to mention that many of those being effected by violence in Boston are people of color. Maybe all of the folks here that seem to "care" so much about their fellow Bostonians can put their efforts into something close to home. Volunteer, mentor, etc. News flash, trump won and we have about 50 days until he takes office, yet in the meantime, there are real issues facing our city.
Perhaps it just WAY easier to focus on bashing trump and continuing to further the divide between us. While I agree that we should have the right to protest, kids need to be in school, and perhaps build a dialogue in their own schools. And has anyone given thought that there just may be trump supports in bps (gasp)? I guess they just get shafted, then likely singled out for not participating? What is the lesson in that?
Let's see if this actually gets posted.
False comparison
I don't know you, so my apologies if wrong, but my experience is that the only people who ever bring up the "Nobody cares about murder in our streets but everybody cares about bikes/Trump/some-damn-thing" are people who don't really care about murder in our streets, either, but just like concern trolling or just think they're so morally superior to whoever it is they think is the typical UHub visitor that they feel compelled to post about it.
Do you really care about violence in Boston? Prove it: Do something about it. Go volunteer for some group working to end violence or give kids a way out of the prison pipeline. Let me know. I'll write an article about you. If you can't think of where to start, just ask, and I and other folks here will find you any number of groups that could use a helping hand. Otherwise, you're just blowing hot air.
Right on the money I'd say
Teach a kid to bitch and whine and they'll be liberals for life. Teach a kid to work hard and earn his happiness, and you deprive the ghetto strongmen politicians of their natural constituency.
And they can grow up to be ...
Whiny short-fingered vulgarians. Yeah, that's something to aspire to.
Hey Roman, do you ever stop and think to yourself
"Wow, I can't believe I'm sitting here upvoting my own comments on a local website. This is actually kinda pathetic. I mean, it's almost 1:00 AM and I'm here trying to win a popularity contest that doesn't exist."
Does that ever cross your mind?
Excellent question
and the answer is...no. Because I don't. I will upvote yours a couple of times just to make you feel better though.
Edit: Oh wait...you can't upvote something more than once. Oh well.
Not a false comparison, but an accurate observation
Adam, as administrator of this site. I think you will find it hard to argue that your posts regarding violence in this city receive almost no comments. And that is a shame because it is real violence, and crime that have a real impact on people in our city.
And all of the folks on this site that love to comment about hate, and human rights, an loving, and community, and peace - have NOTHING to say about it.
But give those same folks the chance to spout off about a guy who isn't even president yet? Well we then have 100-comment threads, and marches, and protests, and walkouts, and outrage.
It seems we have some highly outspoken folks on here. I just wish that they could also show as much fire for issues in our own city as they do for things that have not even happened yet.
Don't get me wrong, I am no trump superfan, but when hundreds of people can gather in Rozzie square to rally against trump, can't that same energy be used to combat violence, poverty, drug abuse in our own city?
And for the record, I am a lifelong Bostonian, and care deeply about crime and safety in out city. "Concern-trolling"? One need not "troll" to much to see that seemingly "concerned" neighbors on here are happy to comment on perceived injustices, but either don't care, or can the bothered to comment t on real violence and safety issues happening around them.
Energy
can't that same energy be used to combat violence, poverty, drug abuse in our own city?
Don't mistake people making or not making comments on a Web site with the rest of the world. Don't think the fact that I covered a unity rally in Roslindale means people just go home every night and stare slackjawed at their TV until they fall asleep.
There are plenty of people who are working to combat violence, poverty and drug abuse in our own city. That you might not read about their efforts is the fault of the media (including me). That they don't comment here might be because after spending long hours doing that the last thing they want to do is post about it here. Or they don't know the site exists. Or they don't feel like getting into inane discussions about how they don't exist.
Again, if you're looking for a specific ways to combat these problems, just say the word. You could start with the Louis D. Brown Peace Institute or the Pine Street Inn.
"People are losing their
"People are losing their minds over a president-elect who hasnt (sic) done anything at this point"
Hasn't done anything yet????
Except gather a cabinet of billionaires, not at all drain a swamp, pick a woman with no experience in education as Secretary of Education and talk to the president of Taiwan which will potentially provoke tensions with China.
You ain't seen nuthin yet.
You can't compare this to any other election because this isn't like any other election.
Not only does she have no experience.
She's also heavily quoted as saying God needs to be in classrooms and churches need to be more involved with education.
She's from the Amway family/cult and VERY dangerous.
Nuthin
Except this little thing called Congress.
And not all Republicans are going to let him and his minions get away with their boatload of crazy.
People need to chill. They'll shoot themselves in the foot soon enough. Never fails when one party holds all the marbles. Eventually they lose said marbles and pay the price by losing their stranglehold on government.
Unless these HS protesters
Unless these HS protesters actually have some sort of an arrangement to meet with their elected representatives during office hours Monday (which can be done a delegation of about 6 students and somebody hitting "go-live" on their smart phone) - they can mill about aimlessly on the Common on Saturday or Sunday (on their own time) every bit as well as they could on Monday during school hours (i.e. - the time their parents pay for with taxes, i.e. - NOT their own time)
All of their time
All of their time is on their own time. In prior walkouts students have testified at hearings on education at the state house and at city council. They also asked to meet with Baker and Walsh. Their requests were denied.
Adam
Please stop feeding the trolls, you'll drive yourself mad. It's like giving a welly fry to a seagull at Sullies, except much less entertaining.